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European Gaming League presents our winter event EGL4 London, held at the magnificent Emirates Stadium, London on 29th to 30th of October. Starcraft II will boast an minimum prize purse of £2,000 ($3,100*) with a dedicated stage featuring StarCraft II exclusively throughout the weekend.
Casters
We are proud to announce our casting duo for EGL4 London; the British commentators Adrenal & Leon. With a representative of each race we will be bringing you uninterrupted commentary, interviews and coverage of the event throughout the weekend.
+ Show Spoiler [Adrenal Introduction] +Adrenal started as a player/commentator back in later life of Warcraft3, with his ability to break down the game play of opponents he naturally took to analytical role while casting. While attending UK Starcraft 2 community events he jumped in the seat again casting three Twitch eSports Championship events. + Show Spoiler [MrBitter Introduction] +MrBitter created his first show in December 2011 called “12 weeks with the Pros”, following the success of his show he went on to cast MLG Dallas and in July was announce as the new caster of ESL.tv. Recently he has been casting the Intel Extreme Masters circuit with his counterpart Rotterdam. + Show Spoiler [Leon Introduction] +Leon started casting on his Youtube channel in late 2010, he then went onto casting local UK events alongside Adrenal, Early 2011 we would see Leon cast his first two big events I43 & Dreamhack BYOC as part of the GLHF.tv crew. Leon is a high masters Terran player and has regular experience playing and casting the UK players attending EGL4.
Format/Rules
EGL4 - Starcraft II is a 2 day NON-BYOC tournament with a 64 player limit.
+ Show Spoiler [Equipment] +Each player is responsible to supply the following equipment: • Headphones. • Inear Headphones. • 3.5mm Audio jack extender. • Mouse. • Mouse mat. • Keyboard. • Identification with name & date of birth clearly displayed.
+ Show Spoiler [Rules] +Map Settings
Category = Melee Mode = 1v1 Game Speed = Faster
Player Settings
Players must disable battle.net notifications. Set their status to busy.
Race Selection
Race must be selected at registration and can’t be changed during the event.
Restrictions
No hardware or software that allows a player to execute automatically more than one in-game action.
Stage Game
Specialist headphones will be required if your game is being played onstage.
Setup
Setup time is 15 minutes when first sitting at a station. Each player will be given two 5 minute extensions that can be used any time throughout the tournament, It is up to the players to make sure they meet setup times and notify admins of issues to be able to assist.
Notification Time
You are required to be at the admin station 5 minutes before your schedule play time. Every 15minutes late of the notification results in 1 map default.
Penalties
Players will be given warnings for lateness or breaching rules, each case will be reviewed by the head admin and correct penalty or warning awarded.
+ Show Spoiler [Maps] +MLG Shakuras Plateau Tal'darim Altar MLG Antiga Shipyard MLG Metalpolis GSL Dual Sight GSL Daybreak GSL Terminus SE
+ Show Spoiler [Map Veto Selection] +
No map must be played more than once per round.
Best of Three Selection
1) The player A and player B are determined by a coin toss. 2) Player A removes two of the 7 maps. 3) Player B removes two of the 5 remaining maps. 4) Player A chooses one of the 3 remaining maps. The second game will be played on that map. 5) Player B chooses one of the 2 remaining maps. The third game will be played on that map. 6) The neutral map is the last remaining map. The first game will be played on that map.
Grand Final Selection – Best of Seven
For Grand final match the map choice must respect the following procedure: 1) The player A advances from upper bracket with 2 map lead and player B from lower. 2) Player A removes one of the 7 maps. 3) Player B removes one of the 6 remaining maps. 4) Player A chooses one of the 5 remaining maps. The second game will be played on that map 5) Player B chooses one of the 4 remaining maps. The third game will be played on that map. 6) Player A chooses one of the 3 remaining maps. The fourth game will be played on that map. 7) Player B chooses one of the 2 remaining maps. The fifth game will be played on that map. 8) The neutral map is the last remaining map. The first game will be played on that map.
+ Show Spoiler [Format] +Format & Schedule are subject to change depending on sign ups (Amount of players attending)
Round 1) Group Stage – 16 Groups of 4 Players, Top two advance to playoffs. Round 2) Playoffs – 32 participants, double elimination bracket.
Group Stage
Round 1 is Group stage round. In each group, participants meet each others in a Best of Three Format, Each game will reward the following group points - • Win = 3 Points • Loss = 0 Points
At the end of the group, the following criteria apply orderly to determine the distinct position of each participant 1) Higher number of points obtained in all the group matches. 2) Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the remaining tied participants. 3) Higher round difference obtained in the match played among the remaining tied participants . 4) Higher round difference obtained in the group matches played among the remaining tied participants. 5) Higher number of points obtained in tie-breaker matches played among the remaining tied; participants (tie-breaker matches are organized specifically for the occasion). 6) Higher score difference obtained in the tie-breaker matches. 7) Steps 5 and 6 are applied again until no participants are tied anymore.
Playoff Stage
Round 2 is a Double Elimination bracket with the advancing top 2 participants from each group will be placed into round 1 depending on their hidden seed. Each round will be Best out of Three until the Grand Finals being best out of 7 with the upper bracket player having a two map advantage.
Featuring a minimum prize purse of £2,000 ($3,100*)
Current Prize Break Down:
1st: 50% - £1000 ($1,500*) + case of ROCKSTAR Energy Drink 2nd: 30% - £600 ($930*) 3rd: 15% - £300 ($460*) 4th: 5% - £100 ($150*)
approximate currency conversion from £ to $.
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Sick! Should be a great event .
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Going to be an epic weekend, I get paid the week before it as well so going to be awesome!
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my god this seems great, Would lvoe to be able to go. Just to support the Uk gaming scene!!!
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Sounds cool, myself and bling will no doubt tear up another location on the UK SC2 2011 TOUR! ;D
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Nice, will be there
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I would go, but as a Spurs fan I must stay clear at all costs.
Just kidding of course, should be epic. I am always glad to see events like this in England. We need more of it.
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Wish I could have helped - but good luck bakor - Arsenal stadium seems like a cool venue :D
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Awww serious? Would have loved to go, but in prague on holiday that weekend
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I'll probably go
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On October 01 2011 01:14 Russki wrote: Single elim?
gl
We have been lucky that we have been able to double our stations from last event but if the tournament hits capacity running groups with double elimination isn't possible on a 2day event, if we don't hit capacity this can be reviewed if time allows.
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Hopefully I'll be there reppin' team infused, academy gogogo :D
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On October 01 2011 01:14 Russki wrote: Single elim?
gl
seriously single elim? fucking hell.
Player Pass: £35 (£40 on the door) and single elim? bleghghhh would it not be best to have less groups with more players in, and use that to seed into double elim brackets. rather than have group play where players will be like, 4 games in one day and then progress into a single elim bracket regardless?
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We are just making the final touches to our new ticket system, tickets should be on sale some point tomorrow hopefully. Sorry about the delay.
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On October 02 2011 08:50 LeonStarcraft wrote:seriously single elim? fucking hell. Player Pass: £35 (£40 on the door) and single elim? bleghghhh would it not be best to have less groups with more players in, and use that to seed into double elim brackets. rather than have group play where players will be like, 4 games in one day and then progress into a single elim bracket regardless?
As explained above time is the issue, Putting more players per group doubles/triples the time taken by groups and making double elimination would add a minimum of 9 hours worth of play. The tournament schedule is worked for the limit of 64 players fitting in exactly with the time frame we have with some margin for delays.
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How are the groups seeded?
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Tickets are on sale now!
On October 03 2011 08:03 LeonStarcraft wrote: How are the groups seeded?
It's changeable depending on attendance but will announce tiers top,mid so on for each group but each group will be assigned fixed seeding that wont be announced till after groups are played.
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Ticket purchased! See you all there.
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Wahhh seems fun T_T Wish I was still in London
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Too cool location seriously the Stadium of my beloved Arsenal!
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Finally an event I can get to easily. See all you scrubs there
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Anyone knows a hotel close this location?
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I'll see you all there guys!
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Are tickets sold out? I can't see sc2 for sale on the booking page
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I am very tempted to attend and compete, looks pretty awesome
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Cant wait, its going to be awesome, signed up now.
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On October 09 2011 20:48 LemonyTang wrote: Are tickets sold out? I can't see sc2 for sale on the booking page
Yes we are trialing a new system with sc2 all bookings are handled by our partner over at http://binarybeast.com/xSC21109278 you can book now.
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You are a bunch of hacks without morals. You still have to pay around 33.000 pounds in prize-money and already promised a bunch of new prize-money to players.
That with the sum of the venue and this event is quite a bill to overcome. My guess, you guys will be gone after this event and players are left with empty wallets as you cannot fill up that gap of what you still owe to the world. On top that you are a bunch of console noobs trying to make quick money.!!
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On October 10 2011 20:42 YingPa wrote: You are a bunch of hacks without morals. You still have to pay around 33.000 pounds in prize-money and already promised a bunch of new prize-money to players.
That with the sum of the venue and this event is quite a bill to overcome. My guess, you guys will be gone after this event and players are left with empty wallets as you cannot fill up that gap of what you still owe to the world. On top that you are a bunch of console noobs trying to make quick money.!!
I would like to forward you to our recent announcement: http://ecl.eu/showthread.php?420-Event-Prize-Money-Update We are in the process of making payments before EGL4. Also if you check out terms of service ( http://ecl.eu/osc_conditions.php ) payments for prize money is now clearly stated as a maximum pay out time of 6 months which isn't prefect but something most event organisers have to do.
Disappointment trolling.
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On October 07 2011 17:56 Fargo wrote: Anyone knows a hotel close this location?
Added hotel options to op, hope it's helpful. If any one needs help feel free to pop me a email nick.baker@ecl.eu
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Still unclear whether to attend or not, Recently been slacking on the old SC2. fuck you a-levels.
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how old do you have to be? if under 18 i might come along + if not any note able players/casters attending? if so maybe i will come along anyway.
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I should go but I'm a mid masters, mid high at best but you guys rape me :>
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On October 11 2011 02:12 TSM wrote: how old do you have to be? if under 18 i might come along + if not any note able players/casters attending? if so maybe i will come along anyway.
You can play Starcraft at any age but you may need a consent form if under 18 (confirming this tonight) Player/Caster not at the moment but you should see all the top UK players but you never know.
On October 11 2011 02:17 pksens wrote: I should go but I'm a mid masters, mid high at best but you guys rape me :>
I don't think we will get much of a European presence if so most players will be high/mid masters and even if you don't do to well always loads of good games to watch and learn from.
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Sounds greattt, wish i was good enough to contend.
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Looking like it will be a good event, from what I heard in terms of people looking to attend there will be loads of great SC action.
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On September 30 2011 02:39 WArped wrote: I would go, but as a Spurs fan I must stay clear at all costs.
Just kidding of course, should be epic. I am always glad to see events like this in England. We need more of it.
Yiiiddo, yiiiddo.
That's seriously the reason I gave for turning my friend down when he wanted me to go.
'Oh that sounds pretty coo-it's at the Emirates?? FUCK NO I'M NOT TAKING ONE STEP INTO THAT HIVE OF SCUM AND VILLAINY.'*
The reality is I don't have any money.
*(unless it's the North London Derby and I think we're going to win)
EDIT: 4k posts!
And if I'm not mistaken it's one year since I joined TL! I am very happy to have a report button.
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aww sucks that I'm busy that weekend, like the 1 weekend I'm busy for the last 3 months lol
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Are there going to be on site casters which were able to watch while there? Not sure if it's worth going if there aint.
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On October 12 2011 00:12 Isillian wrote: Are there going to be on site casters which were able to watch while there? Not sure if it's worth going if there aint.
Yes there is a dedicated SC2 stage with coverage throughout the weekend. If you enjoy watching other games there will be also a main stage for all the console games.
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Ah awesome! Any idea who the casters will be?
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Maybe you should get this tournament on liquipedia
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Great Previous event. Good luck and Have fun for the next one
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Less than 2 weeks to go i'm pumped :D
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Cant wait for this, im not even going but its gna be so sick :D
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Just a Couple of updates, We will be returning to Double Elimination format this is our preferred format and with extended opening times alongside lower signer sign-ups means we can achieve this.
Also we have required a new sponsor ROCKSTAR news post here: EGL to be fueled by ROCKSTAR Energy Drink The winner will get a case of energy drink.
Casters will be announced soon.
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anyone driving from or through the northwest area (around or near manchester) and have spare seat? pls drop me a pm.
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^ Some one help this guy out :D
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Do we get to veto maps in pool or/and in playoffs? or all pre-set maps for the rounds?
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On October 23 2011 00:50 jakek95 wrote: Do we get to veto maps in pool or/and in playoffs? or all pre-set maps for the rounds?
Sorry thought i had added the veto system will add tonight.
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Seems super unorganised to be honest, while im a big fan just because you are helping UK esports.
One week away - no casters to be heard about? O.o whats that about...
Adding things to your tournament (or just the description? hmm) as people post in the TL thread...
Long way to go for you in terms of professionalism imo...Gl none the less.
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On October 23 2011 23:30 Capped wrote: Seems super unorganised to be honest, while im a big fan just because you are helping UK esports.
One week away - no casters to be heard about? O.o whats that about...
Adding things to your tournament (or just the description? hmm) as people post in the TL thread...
Long way to go for you in terms of professionalism imo...Gl none the less.
I think you miss understood, As stated in the rules Format & Schedule are subject to change depending on sign ups. So changes do happen although i have three different tournament structures in my rule books we select the best one depending on sign ups. This flexibility allows us to give players the best tournament structure and i never had a complaint about this from any player. The caster announcement is set to be published tonight.
I hope that clears things up for you, It's not unprofessional it's just a side affect of how we have to operate to give people the best tournament on the day.
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On October 23 2011 04:13 bakor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 00:50 jakek95 wrote: Do we get to veto maps in pool or/and in playoffs? or all pre-set maps for the rounds? Sorry thought i had added the veto system will add tonight.
All rules have been updated to allow for double elimination this is the same structure as ECL3, any issues you know where to contact me.
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Looking forward to EGL4, hoping to be able to provide some great entertainment to a great UK tournament.
I have casted with Adrenal many times and it's been made easy with our understanding. It will be a treat and great experience for me as a caster to be able to work alongside Mr Bitter as he's shown hes one of the better /knowledgeable casters around.
Great aquisition by the admins of EGL.
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Yo guys, are tickets for saturday available on the door?
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On October 24 2011 10:01 Trowa127 wrote: Yo guys, are tickets for saturday available on the door?
Yes but there is a £5 admin fee on top, so recommend you buy online if possible.
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Das Adrenal is casting
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Should be fun. Excited to be in London for the weekend. :D
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I am working that weekend.. Meeeeeh, I'll be there, work ain't going anywhere :D
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Nice to see something happening in the UK. Small events like this one can do a lot for motivating people and expanding the local scene.
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On October 24 2011 20:20 Purolol wrote: I am working that weekend.. Meeeeeh, I'll be there, work ain't going anywhere :D
Love this attitude if you're coming all the way from Norway make sure you say hello!
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coolcool, good luck to all who go... shame I live all the way up in newcastle.
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Whoot!! Whoot! The Emirates Stadium?! This is sick.
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Had a few asking + for any one unable to make it. There will be a free stream dedicated to SC2 all weekend make sure you check out TL sidebar during the weekend.
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OMFG there's never anything in London, and my mum's coming over all the way from France this weekend, so I can't attend Sad life. Hope it will be a blast though, so that more events come to our beautiful city
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Good to see events coming up in England! Good luck with it, hope it goes well.
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On October 24 2011 20:05 MrBitter wrote: Should be fun. Excited to be in London for the weekend. :D
Now I wish I was going would love to meet you, you and rotti are the best casters
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So uhm, I guess it will be fun.
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If i didnt travel so much lately I would have love to attend as player, however i feel really out of shape atm and I would just disappoint myself now, to bad, hf though + supersick Venue ;D van persie Whoohooo
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On October 26 2011 00:41 RotterdaM wrote:If i didnt travel so much lately I would have love to attend as player, however i feel really out of shape atm and I would just disappoint myself now, to bad, hf though + supersick Venue ;D van persie Whoohooo 
Player or Caster i would love to have you at the next event.
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On October 26 2011 00:41 RotterdaM wrote:If i didnt travel so much lately I would have love to attend as player, however i feel really out of shape atm and I would just disappoint myself now, to bad, hf though + supersick Venue ;D van persie Whoohooo 
Should have come for the night out alone. going to be shameless!
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Is there any top tier player that will actually play in this tournament? The "current player list" on OP seems quite empty.
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Man, wish I was at home for this, Britain needs more LANs for sure.
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On October 26 2011 01:29 gds wrote: Is there any top tier player that will actually play in this tournament? The "current player list" on OP seems quite empty.
It's only a small event wont attract the top tier players but the level of play will be quite high with best from UK + a few top/mid tier Europeans coming over.
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Will be traveling down today, so updates will be slow tell i get stable internet access. Hyped.
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Can't wait! I only hope I can get rid of this cough that's been plagueing me for weeks. Looking forward a great deal to casting with Leon again; and with a big name like MrBitter. Travelling down on Friday, so I'll see you all then.
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gonna be so good
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So pumped, gonna be a sick weekend, if anybody has questions ask me and I'll try to answer them or forward them along to Bakor.
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Can't wait for this! Hope more people sign up though so we have a longer tournament
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About to go and finish packing. Going down on the train this evening! It's gonna be an awesome weekend
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not long now, it gonna be awesome!
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Nice prize pool relative to the size of the tourney, looking forward to it.
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Hope this tourney goes well!!!
Good luck everyone involved!!!
Looking for a Uk winner!!!
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Should be a convincing win for orly
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Kwark kwark, hes our man, if he can't do it, noone can!
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Where can I find a bracket or pictures from the event?
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best of luck every1, cant wait for things to kickoff
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is there gonna be a stream?
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Didn't even know KwarK was playing sc2, will be rooting for him though gl buddy!
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never did, never will :-(
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On Oct 29 2011 14:52<span style='color:#d20000'> (44 min)</span> iLLKiD wrote: never did, never will :-(
What does that mean? Was the event cancelled?
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yeh what is going on, nowonder the UK is so far behind others 
not even any news regarding it..
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whats happenin.the site isnt working at all
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I guess none of the casters turned up.
Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo.
Poor showing either way.
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I wanted to go down to thank MrBitter for his 12 weeks with the pros. Can't do that now
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Leon's definitely there and he casted 3 days of Dreamhack BYOC solo so he has no problem casting by himself!
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Hey, we had MAJOR logistical issues with the stadium and PCs that delayed our setup time greatly. Leon and Adrenal were still ready to cast but they just weren't able to
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Issues with the computers. Of 16 8 didn't turn up and 4 of the ones that did had no sound. Brackets were massively delayed too. Two groups of about 9 are played out after five hours.
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On October 29 2011 20:26 Pads wrote:Didn't even know KwarK was playing sc2, will be rooting for him though  gl buddy! I'm not. A friend's band is playing near here tonight so I came down for the weekend and showed up to troll rANDY.
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No stream for today apparently.
Allegedly the company who was in charge of supplying PCs didn't send the right amount for the event. To compensate for that, the players have had to use the stream computers.
Source: Somebody on the stream chat whose friend is at the event.
Edit: Guess i'm kinda late.
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Not meaning to downplay your efforts in any way but with a big tournament covering multiple titles i figured you guys would get the hardware sorted a few days in advance.
Anyone who attempts to run a tourney has balls of steel so you got our respect there /salute
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They don't have enough computers yet most of the other streams are being casted...I guess they don't think starcraft is that important.
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On October 30 2011 01:51 mastergriggy wrote: They don't have enough computers yet most of the other streams are being casted...I guess they don't think starcraft is that important.
It's not in the UK
The UK console scene is the biggest in EU, and this is the biggest EU console LAN, so they need to make sure the console games are running well, SC2 is just an extra event they are hosting
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On October 30 2011 02:10 Tidus Mino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 01:51 mastergriggy wrote: They don't have enough computers yet most of the other streams are being casted...I guess they don't think starcraft is that important. It's not in the UK The UK console scene is the biggest in EU, and this is the biggest EU console LAN, so they need to make sure the console games are running well, SC2 is just an extra event they are hosting
ah gotcha. Definitely still a shame though
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Why does this always happen to UK events :/
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On October 30 2011 02:13 TotalBiscuit wrote: Why does this always happen to UK events :/
Because Barryworld, Jolt, Gamesinferno all died and we set ourselves back 10 years
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I'm having a good time with the Fighting Games Stream, so i am not that dissapointed.
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No food in the stadium and not allowed to bring food in and no places nearby and "we're on a tight schedule so if you're not here you're DQed" so nobody has really eaten today which sucks. Sucks more for the people playing their games late (7pm, just played first game) but can't really be helped.
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Problems with the stream set up, dont know what it is haven't really beeen told, all i know is that there isn't enough pc's the stage isn't set/ready, and impossible to cast in this state.
Admins have said that there is little they could have done today however, they say tomorrow should be better.
Like TB said, this always happens to UK events and its unfortunate as i was super excited to cast, there aree plenty of specs here and would have been a fantastic atmosphere.
Apologies for problems (although not my fault at all) hope to bring you guys something tomorrow. Keep the faith!
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On October 30 2011 00:38 Daystar wrote: I guess none of the casters turned up.
Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo.
Poor showing either way.
wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis?
Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts.
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he said i guess he didn't say 100% the casters didn't turn up, he made a fucking guess. geez every post of yours is having a go at someone, you need to chill the hell out.
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On October 30 2011 01:23 Daystar wrote:Anyone who attempts to run a tourney has balls of steel  so you got our respect there /salute
Especially here in the UK!
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Huge shame, will hope that we will see a stream up tomorrow
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On October 30 2011 03:57 Pads wrote: he said i guess he didn't say 100% the casters didn't turn up, he made a fucking guess. geez every post of yours is having a go at someone, you need to chill the hell out.
i see that pattern as well, hes probably just bummed like the rest of us that this is kinda a step backwards for the uk scene!!!
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On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 00:38 Daystar wrote: I guess none of the casters turned up.
Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo.
Poor showing either way. wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts.
Don't take it to heart Leon, people are only curious. Can understand your reaction with the situation you are in. Let's hope it all gets sorted out and we have a stream up tomorrow.
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On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 00:38 Daystar wrote: I guess none of the casters turned up.
Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo.
Poor showing either way. wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts.
^whatever he said, just with a little less mad and stuff.
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On October 30 2011 03:12 KwarK wrote: No food in the stadium and not allowed to bring food in and no places nearby and "we're on a tight schedule so if you're not here you're DQed" so nobody has really eaten today which sucks. Sucks more for the people playing their games late (7pm, just played first game) but can't really be helped.
Really? I managed to find a bar doing hot dogs & burgers
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Having just returned from the first day as a player I can say that I will not be attending future EGL SC2 events. The tournament today was comically bad and I am very upset that I wasted £35 to play is such a sub standard event.
I arrived as instructed at the venue this morning at 10am, we did not get told our groups until 1pm, being in group E I was told to be ready to play at 3.15. I returned at this time to discover there were only apparently 8 working PCs and that I would have to wait till around 7 to play my games. I noticed in this interim that my group had 5 players in it rather than 4 yet still top 2 advance.... WTF. I cannot understand how the organisers thought this was an ok thing to do, I learned later that another group had 6 players for some reason.
I finally got to play my games at around 7.30, my group resulted in a three way tie for myself and two others, apparently EGL doesnt have any rules commited to writing for their SC2 event and the result was utter confusion on the part of the admins on how to handle the situation. I was told to return in the morning to play my tie breakers. I was annoyed at this as I had no intention of attending day 2 if I didnt pass group play which was supposed to be on the first day as it is a long journey for me and expensive. I also brought up the subject of unbalanced groups at this stage and the admin had the balls to try and explain to me it was in fact fair... Please dont try to bullshit me I am not a stupid man.
Eventually it transpired after literally about 30 mins that one of our tied trio had better tie breakers than the rest of us and would advance, does this strike you as an insanely fucking simple solution that should have been reached in 30 seconds because it does to me.
I will say the competitors at this event were fantastic and the admins were trying their best and helpful but for a few exemptions and I wish them no ill will. But I cannot let this go, and I feel the need to let my fellow SC2 players know how poor this event was so they can vote with thier feet next time. IMO it is not ok for events to be this bad and charge as much as £35 for entry and not even provide a fair playing field, because irony aside events like this quite literally are hurting esports and shouldnt get away with it.
Rant over.
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So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points.
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to;
-- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work.
-- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there.
-- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first.
-- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough.
-- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did.
Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from.
You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it.
I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break.
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On October 30 2011 03:48 LeonStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 00:38 Daystar wrote: I guess none of the casters turned up.
Mr Bitter was the main caster, maybe the other two didn't want to cast solo.
Poor showing either way. wtf is this? you guess the casters didn't turn up? on what basis? Please dont post such rubbish without learning the facts.
I think someone needs to look up the word guess!
On topic, things like this happen a lot in the UK. But from what adrenal said it sounds like the organizers and admins really couldn't do anything about it. Hope things turn around for tomorrow.
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On October 30 2011 07:50 AdrenalGBR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points.
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to;
-- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work.
-- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there.
-- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first.
-- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough.
-- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did.
Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from.
You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it.
I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break.
Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely.
I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success.
We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play.
I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid.
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Maybe I am being harsh but if I am it is because I am disappointed in something I was very much looking forward too. I'm not going to take back my words but I will re-emphasise that the admins were obiously doing their best to make it work and were for the most part very helpful.
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On October 30 2011 08:08 tabbott26 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 07:50 AdrenalGBR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points.
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to;
-- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work.
-- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there.
-- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first.
-- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough.
-- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did.
Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from.
You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it.
I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break. Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely. I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success. We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play. I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid.
To be fair, the ranting that I see about the event is not really about the staff. The staff there worked their butts off and deserve a round of applause. They did the best they could given the circumstances. With that said, there is a real problem with a tournament with group play that doesn't have clearly stated rules about tie-breaks. There is also a problem when the rules page claims that 10:30AM is the end of registration but staff announced at 12:00PM that they were still waiting for people to arrive (read: most people that arrived on time waited about 3 hours for late comers). This is in not the right way to handle things. If people are late, disqualify them. Don't let them show up NINETY minutes late and allow them to delay a tournament that is already short on computers to play on.
To conclude, I'd like to thank the staff for doing the best job they could given the circumstances but the way the staff handled the rules of the tournament was clearly unprofessional. No one is asking for a perfectly run tournament and from what I see, no one is mindlessly bashing it. Players just have to ask themselves next time if its worth it to pay 35 pounds to play in a tournament that has such glaring issues.
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On October 30 2011 08:34 zJayy962 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 08:08 tabbott26 wrote:On October 30 2011 07:50 AdrenalGBR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points.
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to;
-- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work.
-- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there.
-- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first.
-- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough.
-- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did.
Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from.
You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it.
I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break. Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely. I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success. We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play. I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid. To be fair, the ranting that I see about the event is not really about the staff. The staff there worked their butts off and deserve a round of applause. They did the best they could given the circumstances. With that said, there is a real problem with a tournament with group play that doesn't have clearly stated rules about tie-breaks. There is also a problem when the rules page claims that 10:30AM is the end of registration but staff announced at 12:00PM that they were still waiting for people to arrive (read: most people that arrived on time waited about 3 hours for late comers). This is in not the right way to handle things. If people are late, disqualify them. Don't let them show up NINETY minutes late and allow them to delay a tournament that is already short on computers to play on. To conclude, I'd like to thank the staff for doing the best job they could given the circumstances but the way the staff handled the rules of the tournament was clearly unprofessional. No one is asking for a perfectly run tournament and from what I see, no one is mindlessly bashing it. Players just have to ask themselves next time if its worth it to pay 35 pounds to play in a tournament that has such glaring issues.
I'm confused now, there was a guy who said that the staff were like "If you're late at all you're DQ'ed." What happened then??
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Im pissed off because people with no clue about what happened goes on this forum suggesting that I didnt turn up to an event I agreed to, its just borderline slander.
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On October 30 2011 08:37 tabbott26 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 08:34 zJayy962 wrote:On October 30 2011 08:08 tabbott26 wrote:On October 30 2011 07:50 AdrenalGBR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I'm here on a pay-to-use PC in a hotel and it's pretty awful internet and I can't easily open new tabs (and the spacebar is falling off) so I'll keep this as brief as possible while hopefully addressing a fair few points.
Firstly, I wasn't able to access a PC today so I couldn't keep anyone updated, but here's roughly what happened from the people I was able to talk to;
-- The PCs were ordered several weeks ago, they did not get the correct PCs or capture cards and only half of them were ever sent by the company they ordered from. Four of them did not initially work.
-- On the subject of the stream, two of us did turn up (contrary to an earlier post suggesting otherwise) and MrBitter was unfortunate to not be able to travel. The evening prior, after a full day of console setup, the PCs (which were located in the Emirates store by their staff at past 10pm) were set up on stage and upon testing it was discovered that stuff didn't work. EGL staff worked through the night to get things sorted. How do I know? Because I was there.
-- In the morning, the stage amplifier broke. At this point the admins faced a decision; with only four working PCs, they either pulled the PCs from the stage and cancelled the cast for the day entirely but rescued a Day 1 that was clearly not going to finish on time, or they continued to attempt to set up the cast and risk the Group Stage running into Day 2. They made the absolutely correct decision. Although I was gutted to not be able to do my job because of situations beyond anyone's control, the tournament ultimately had to come first.
-- Food was allowed into the event (but obviously, branded food or food that could make a mess was kept out - sandwiches, salads etc were fine) and was served there too. Not only was there a shop selling stuff for lunches, there were also premade bags with sandwiches and stuff that could be picked up. The person who mentioned this obviously didn't look hard enough.
-- On the subject of 5-man groups; there is no all-win situation. Either you give people byes in the knockout stages by having more than 8 groups (unfair to the people who don't get byes) or you have groups with more people in them. If you have more than 8 groups and an odd number, there will also be groups with 3 people in (thus making it "easier" for them, also unfair). I don't see a way around this that doesn't involve capping signups at a lower amount than they did.
Ultimately, understand this: I am disappointed. I'm like everyone else that has a problem with this tournament - I expected something, and it didn't happen. But that's life. The wonderful thing about attending a tournament and being able to talk to the admins is that you get a new perspective on things. As far as I could tell, all of their problems were caused by faulty equipment or bad service by "respectable" companies that they bought and hired stuff from.
You can't budget for things like this happening! It's like raging at IPL3 for having a truck plough through some internet cables. It happens, you deal with it the best you can. If there's no stream tomorrow because they need the PCs to get through the day, so be it.
I have 3 minutes left on my internet, so the only other thing I'll say is that I've been here the day before the event and I've been here through the event itself so far; and these guys have put in more work than you and I would ever want to. They've had single-digit hours of sleep over three days. Give them a break. Adrenal, thank you for coming onto this and explaining it fully and concisely. I think the main problem we have nowadays is that we always expect the highest quality of service from tournaments, regardless of whether they are "side shows" like here, or the centrepiece (like IPL3). We've been spoilt when it comes to production and execution of tournaments, so when something doesn't go right, we have a little rage about it. This plays exactly into the British mentality too, that things have to be perfect to be a success. We need to try and stop this raging. Yes, give constructive criticism, but don't come barrelling into the thread and come out with "Oh, the event was shit and a waste of my money" without knowing the minor details. At least wait for a statement like this. If those guys have worked their asses off due to someone else's mistakes, then cut them a bit of slack. Similarly, give the admins some credit for deciding that the players and their matches would have to come first over the stream. So what if we don't get a stream. That's something there for the viewer's pleasure, and ultimately has no effect on the actual tournament play. I would rant some more, but it would become incoherent and stupid. To be fair, the ranting that I see about the event is not really about the staff. The staff there worked their butts off and deserve a round of applause. They did the best they could given the circumstances. With that said, there is a real problem with a tournament with group play that doesn't have clearly stated rules about tie-breaks. There is also a problem when the rules page claims that 10:30AM is the end of registration but staff announced at 12:00PM that they were still waiting for people to arrive (read: most people that arrived on time waited about 3 hours for late comers). This is in not the right way to handle things. If people are late, disqualify them. Don't let them show up NINETY minutes late and allow them to delay a tournament that is already short on computers to play on. To conclude, I'd like to thank the staff for doing the best job they could given the circumstances but the way the staff handled the rules of the tournament was clearly unprofessional. No one is asking for a perfectly run tournament and from what I see, no one is mindlessly bashing it. Players just have to ask themselves next time if its worth it to pay 35 pounds to play in a tournament that has such glaring issues. I'm confused now, there was a guy who said that the staff were like "If you're late at all you're DQ'ed." What happened then??
Not sure what the other guy said, but fact is that games were supposed to start after registration ended (planned for 10:30). People didn't begin games till about ~1:15. Players were definitely were not DQ'd for being late for the initial registration. Which slowed down the whole day by ~2 hours. Not sure if people were DQ'd for being late to games though.
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On October 30 2011 08:49 LeonStarcraft wrote: Im pissed off because people with no clue about what happened goes on this forum suggesting that I didnt turn up to an event I agreed to, its just borderline slander.
It is not slander? He is guessing at the reason for the outcome of the event. Calm the hell down! You clarified what actually happened, im sure he would be more then willing to admit he was wrong on this petty fact and move on with his life, you should try the same.
I give you this quote:
On October 23 2011 23:30 Capped wrote: Seems super unorganised to be honest, while im a big fan just because you are helping UK esports.
One week away - no casters to be heard about? O.o whats that about...
Adding things to your tournament (or just the description? hmm) as people post in the TL thread...
Long way to go for you in terms of professionalism imo...Gl none the less.
While i am blind in this situation as i have not attended myself, i guessed before that it was poorly organised and it seems i was correct.
<Following statement based entirely on posts in this thread by attendee's>
No written rules or clarification for admins, so they are left standing looking like idiots - which is completely unfair to them as they have a right to know how to do their jobs properly.
Players been told one thing and then the next again due to bad organisation. See above posts on registration closing at 10:30 but still waiting at 12:00 for players?? Im not understanding? you say if your late your DQed but wait ninety minutes for players to turn up to an already hindered and behind schedule event?
On the topic of the computers - this was not entirely the companies fault to be perfectly honest - why order them so late into it in the first place, you have no plan B to get computers? really? You order them so late that you have no time to make prior arrangements.
Another thing is whats with the venue? sure its "cool" that its the arsenal stadium, but is it really the right place for a gaming tournament? wheres the link or sense in it. Its only going to hinder you because of the stressed rules on the place, better off renting a random hall somewhere and going with that. You get nothing out of it except some added "wow" factor and publicity. I think the points proved by having restrictions on food in the place, that made me giggle.
The players not being able to eat or leave because they would be DQed, but having to wait hours on end is a joke IMO.
Lastly, i do appreciate what you attempted to do, but the results seem to be atrocious. I feel sorry for the admins who have had to work under such poor conditions and salute them for the job they're doing.
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I think a lot of people had high hopes for what was billed as high profile UK tournament. A few people turned up to the stream, there's no news from anyone to say it wasnt going live, no news to express a delay and someone mentions there's no one to cast. People see MrBitters twitter update and 2+3=4. With no one to say otherwise you can only see how the rumour mill gets fueled.
Obviously mixed communications between a lack of ability to cast and there being no casters isnt the biggest mind leap you can do based on a bunch of people not being given any meaningful information, only snippets from friends at the event.
Either way, it should have been broadcast the stream wasn't going to happen and perhaps the reason for it.
I think anyone who had an interest in the sc2 event who are shuddering in disbelief that a bunch of people who organise LANs "professionally" cant order enough PCs in time for installation and testing before the event starts is arguably justifiable.
I'm just sad it showed the sc2 community how backward the uk scene is in terms of organisation and service.
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Changed my mind - dont want to input more on something i have only read from anreliable source, however much i believe it to be true :-)
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On October 30 2011 10:42 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:22 Tartsy wrote: I think a lot of people had high hopes for what was billed as high profile UK tournament. A few people turned up to the stream, there's no news from anyone to say it wasnt going live, no news to express a delay and someone mentions there's no one to cast. People see MrBitters twitter update and 2+3=4. With no one to say otherwise you can only see how the rumour mill gets fueled.
Obviously mixed communications between a lack of ability to cast and there being no casters isnt the biggest mind leap you can do based on a bunch of people not being given any meaningful information, only snippets from friends at the event.
Either way, it should have been broadcast the stream wasn't going to happen and perhaps the reason for it.
I think anyone who had an interest in the sc2 event who are shuddering in disbelief that a bunch of people who organise LANs "professionally" cant order enough PCs in time for installation and testing before the event starts is arguably justifiable.
I'm just sad it showed the sc2 community how backward the uk scene is in terms of organisation and service. seriously, the UK scene is not "backwards" it is a singular event. !!"
I disagree. We cast the last EGL, it was a mess. I didn't ask to be paid for that event, I asked for VoD rights just to cover my travel and accomodation. The VoDs ended up being so awful in quality they were unusuable, because the incorrect equipment was there for production. Multiple i-Series have had issues, with i43 being the slickest to date. Most of the UK events I've seen or been involved in have had a multitude of issues that put them leagues behind events in other countries. Multiplay is getting there and are putting in some serious effort, ECL it turns out has now messed up twice in a major way. Myself and Apollo both said "we ain't coming back" after the last ECL. As it turns out, it clashes with prior engagements we both had anyway, but by the sounds of it if I were down there I'd have been flipping tables, it is yet another UK event that has been a mess from the start if this thread is anything to go by.
I am hoping i44 nails it, with IGN's help I reckon it will. The UK scene has taken too many kicks to the bollocks already, we don't need any more.
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Well, i agree with EGL TB. I dont care how bakor tries to deny it but you read through this thread and he's watched posts on TL and then added what they've said to the tourny, pretty balls imo.
I actually attended i43 and it wasnt as poorly run as this joke. It had issues yeah but it wasnt unenjoyable for anyone really.
In short - EGL needs to quit while its behind by the looks of it especially if the last events were as bad as you say, its destroying UK esports and peoples image of us.
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On October 30 2011 10:53 Capped wrote: Well, i agree with EGL TB. I dont care how bakor tries to deny it but you read through this thread and he's watched posts on TL and then added what they've said to the tourny, pretty balls imo.
I actually attended i43 and it wasnt as poorly run as this joke. It had issues yeah but it wasnt unenjoyable for anyone really.
In short - EGL needs to quit while its behind by the looks of it especially if the last events were as bad as you say, its destroying UK esports and peoples image of us.
Their console gaming scene seemed to be running smoothly and there didn't seem to be any major issues. From what I could observe walking around, people were enjoying themselves and it was running quite smoothly. I feel like SC2 just gets the short end of the stick because the ratio of SC2 to console gamers is like 1:50.
Maybe the SC2 scene just isn't big enough yet for proper tournaments.
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On October 30 2011 12:22 zJayy962 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:53 Capped wrote: Well, i agree with EGL TB. I dont care how bakor tries to deny it but you read through this thread and he's watched posts on TL and then added what they've said to the tourny, pretty balls imo.
I actually attended i43 and it wasnt as poorly run as this joke. It had issues yeah but it wasnt unenjoyable for anyone really.
In short - EGL needs to quit while its behind by the looks of it especially if the last events were as bad as you say, its destroying UK esports and peoples image of us. Their console gaming scene seemed to be running smoothly and there didn't seem to be any major issues. From what I could observe walking around, people were enjoying themselves and it was running quite smoothly. I feel like SC2 just gets the short end of the stick because the ratio of SC2 to console gamers is like 1:50. Maybe the SC2 scene just isn't big enough yet for proper tournaments.
Correct, The Owner of ECL, Mellow, Lives with one of the gears of war players, and former Halo player Loco, I spoke with him a bit when I was their for a LAN one weekend, EGL was originally just consoles, But they saw how big SC2 was getting and hopped on, Its good that they did this, but they havent given it anywhere near the amount of attention it needs.
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On October 30 2011 10:53 Capped wrote: Well, i agree with EGL TB. I dont care how bakor tries to deny it but you read through this thread and he's watched posts on TL and then added what they've said to the tourny, pretty balls imo.
I actually attended i43 and it wasnt as poorly run as this joke. It had issues yeah but it wasnt unenjoyable for anyone really.
In short - EGL needs to quit while its behind by the looks of it especially if the last events were as bad as you say, its destroying UK esports and peoples image of us.
You're funny .
I wonder why it is easier to run a tournament where everyone actually has a pc, sounds like a paradox to me.
On an aside note: I had tons of fun yesterday
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Mellow is a good guy, the only one at EGL trying to make a descent attempt.
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Lots of anger in this thread, I think people need to calm down a little and stop jumping down each others throats, we're all friends here.
I hope stuff improves today t_t
Just looked at the brackets though, nice Bling and Deranging!
Derpranging fighting!
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On October 30 2011 18:42 Trowa127 wrote: Derpranging fighting!
Do it for the derps Deranging!
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On October 30 2011 15:35 Deranging wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:53 Capped wrote: Well, i agree with EGL TB. I dont care how bakor tries to deny it but you read through this thread and he's watched posts on TL and then added what they've said to the tourny, pretty balls imo.
I actually attended i43 and it wasnt as poorly run as this joke. It had issues yeah but it wasnt unenjoyable for anyone really.
In short - EGL needs to quit while its behind by the looks of it especially if the last events were as bad as you say, its destroying UK esports and peoples image of us. You're funny  . I wonder why it is easier to run a tournament where everyone actually has a pc, sounds like a paradox to me. On an aside note: I had tons of fun yesterday 
Sadly not everyone is as easy going and awesome as you dude! :D If you get on skype, message me <3
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On October 30 2011 08:49 LeonStarcraft wrote: Im pissed off because people with no clue about what happened goes on this forum suggesting that I didnt turn up to an event I agreed to, its just borderline slander.
Just need to cool it dude,you know what it's like on a forum, borderline slander, not quite just people assuming things. You are there and that's what matters really.
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"Its easier to run a tournament where everyone has a pc" so that no effort needs to be made.
They made no effort to ensure it would be setup and look at the results.
Seriously, i made a huge post about this and removed it because i didnt actually attend and i dont want to make comments based on inaccurate info from a forum but setting up PC's for an event is a very basic thing for a gaming tournament, surely they would know to leave adequate time to find replacements / fix issues? its a joke.
And its probably down to their stupid venue, yes its mainly a console tournament, they attract people to it by having it at the arsenal stadium to make more money - which in turn actually fucks them over as they have loads of limitations on what they can and cant do and how much time they have there. Ridiculous.
@LeonStarcraft - dude he made an assumption / a guess he was not anywhere near "borderline slander" - now you have clarified im pretty sure he would happily admit his guess was wrong, apologise and move on with his life..you need to take a chill pill.
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I think we should try to reserve judgement until the event is actually finished and we get some more 1st person experiences.
On a serious note, will the stream be up today? Wanna see derpranging crush some face.
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I'm sat at my PC on stage and knockout stages are about to begin. We are encountering no problems yet but I've just got back from lunch and it looks like the crowd area still needs the seating organised. Peripherals-wise, I'm set up and waiting for the go from the production crew.
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The one hand i'm disappointed I wasn't ready for the tournament here in london, but on the other i'm slightly glad i didn't bother... the feedback and views shared are bbbadddd.
I hope it all the issues get resolved, and today goes a little bit smoother, And one last thing, don't let a few posts on TL start an argument between us.
-Tyles
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Good stream quality, if it stays this way I'm quite happy with the event as a spectator. I don't care too much about missing group stages  Of course for the players there it is a bit disappointing what happened yesterday, but let's hope today goes well.
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The feared 2 marine 7 SCV push
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On October 30 2011 10:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 10:42 Capped wrote:On October 30 2011 10:22 Tartsy wrote: I think a lot of people had high hopes for what was billed as high profile UK tournament. A few people turned up to the stream, there's no news from anyone to say it wasnt going live, no news to express a delay and someone mentions there's no one to cast. People see MrBitters twitter update and 2+3=4. With no one to say otherwise you can only see how the rumour mill gets fueled.
Obviously mixed communications between a lack of ability to cast and there being no casters isnt the biggest mind leap you can do based on a bunch of people not being given any meaningful information, only snippets from friends at the event.
Either way, it should have been broadcast the stream wasn't going to happen and perhaps the reason for it.
I think anyone who had an interest in the sc2 event who are shuddering in disbelief that a bunch of people who organise LANs "professionally" cant order enough PCs in time for installation and testing before the event starts is arguably justifiable.
I'm just sad it showed the sc2 community how backward the uk scene is in terms of organisation and service. seriously, the UK scene is not "backwards" it is a singular event. !!" I disagree. We cast the last EGL, it was a mess. I didn't ask to be paid for that event, I asked for VoD rights just to cover my travel and accomodation. The VoDs ended up being so awful in quality they were unusuable, because the incorrect equipment was there for production. Multiple i-Series have had issues, with i43 being the slickest to date. Most of the UK events I've seen or been involved in have had a multitude of issues that put them leagues behind events in other countries. Multiplay is getting there and are putting in some serious effort, ECL it turns out has now messed up twice in a major way. Myself and Apollo both said "we ain't coming back" after the last ECL. As it turns out, it clashes with prior engagements we both had anyway, but by the sounds of it if I were down there I'd have been flipping tables, it is yet another UK event that has been a mess from the start if this thread is anything to go by. I am hoping i44 nails it, with IGN's help I reckon it will. The UK scene has taken too many kicks to the bollocks already, we don't need any more.
So instead of giving advice and helping one of the few organisations in the UK that are running SC2 events you decide to turn your back on it entirely? Thats proactive...
Also the first ECL event for SC2 wasn't that bad, they provided a seperate staging area specifically for SC2 and all the PCs needed to run the event and everything worked to schedule. Saying you didn't work for a fee isn't entirely true either seeing as the SC2 was broadcast via your stream.
I couldn't make it to EGL London and it sounds like the faults are somewhat inexcusable, but bitching about them on a forum instead of giving some constructive input is hardly productive is it?
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hai stream looking handsome and dignitas tan looking even better!
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In case people reading this thread hadn't already worked out, the stream is up! We're doing half the WB at a time so the other 4 ro16 matches are about to start. Semi 1 is 4K's Dream against tandongho.
EDIT: The 8 guys left in the ro16 are setting up now, as you can hopefully see on the screen. We'll be live shortly.
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I will be updating as many of the results that are not on-stream as I can on twitter for those following games that aren't on the live stream.
Edit: I should also point out that while there were lots of technical issues yesterday, I'm incredibly impressed with how the EGL team held together and managed to get almost all the group games done on Saturday despite being down to as few as 4 computers at one point. Some of them had not slept in days and their hard work meant the tournament could go ahead full-steam on the Sunday and saved from potential disaster. Big props and applause
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Wish Deranging would attack once he hits 200/200 instead of sitting around and getting 8k minerals!
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Thats how Deranging rolls baby!
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I can only Apologise for the issues at the event. I worked 48 solid with out an sleep to get a runnable tournament from bad situation that should of never occurred. I had to make a hard call and cut the stream for extra tournament PC's.
We are back on schedule and have a great stream. I hope you all enjoy.
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Uniden fightinggggg!
*runs off giggling as if it wasn't him*
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On October 31 2011 04:19 PredY wrote: what race is dream?
DreAm is a Boss Toss.
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Gogo Orly, Belgium fighting!!
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Bling orly is pretty awesome..
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Lol.
<insert meme pic> Get to finals, not going to stream it.
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Same old story with EGL/ECL/whatever. Enough with the stories already.
You need the motherfucking NutCase running these events.
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Sorry guys I was only aware of the situation last minute (only casted the last 2 series) and I know it sucks. For what it's worth I'm going to try and get the replays to stream the finals tomorrow evening from home, pending approval, so that at least some who wanted to watch can catch up. This isn't something arranged, we're trying to do this simply to try and make some of it up to the viewers. I'll update this thread tonight / tomorrow.
JoRo
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lol thing is everyone has access to mobile phones cant see why the EGL website just wasnt updated of this thread so people didnt waste time waiting for a stream that wasnt coming.
Im also not sure why they hadnt set the computers up before the evetn and yes I know they were installing consoles but this is what happens when you leaev the very late hours the day before.... The computers etc should of been setup up previous so this wasnt going to happen.
Hopefully the EGL learn lots from this and their next event is run much more smoothly.
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Also what is happeneing now? Are they still playing? who won?
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bling > dream @ antiga dream > bling @ daybreak
3rd map in progress
(lol @ casters during dream vs orly, bias much ? )
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On October 31 2011 02:33 bakor wrote: I worked 48 solid with out an sleep
You worked to get out of the shit you created, you want us to feel sorry for you?
Lol at the finals not being casted, its shameful
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so whoever gets to final needs to win two best of threes?
the lack of updates etc is shocking, the brackets werent even updatedto say who won between bling and tan when i last checked a sec ago and its already been playing two gamersof the losers final.
Then no streamfor the finals?? lol
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On October 31 2011 08:08 Tommylew wrote: Also what is happeneing now? Are they still playing? who won?
The lower final has been finished. Grand final starting now with lots of workmen looking on waiting to pack up Will try to be a full Bo7. No spoilers here in case I can get it cast tomorrow.
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There are no bracket updates because network connectivity and power has literally been cut for the whole hall shortly after 22.00. There are 2 network enabled computers in the next room where the players are playing. This is also why the brackets arent being updated. I am writing this from my phone.
I could go home but I hope to stay and get the replays so at least they can be cast later.
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On October 31 2011 08:21 JoRoSaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 08:08 Tommylew wrote: Also what is happeneing now? Are they still playing? who won? The lower final has been finished. Grand final starting now with lots of workmen looking on waiting to pack up  Will try to be a full Bo7. No spoilers here in case I can get it cast tomorrow.
bo7??
So Orly hasnt really got any bonus for getting to final through winners bracket??
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On October 31 2011 08:15 Tommylew wrote: so whoever gets to final needs to win two best of threes?
The grand final is a Bo7 with the player from the winners bracket starting 2-0 up.
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On October 31 2011 08:24 Tommylew wrote:
So Orly hasnt really got any bonus for getting to final through winners bracket??
Sorry for confusion, see my previous post. Orly starts 2-0 up.
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Edit: Never mind I guess.
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On October 31 2011 08:25 JoRoSaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 08:24 Tommylew wrote:
So Orly hasnt really got any bonus for getting to final through winners bracket?? Sorry for confusion, see my previous post. Orly starts 2-0 up.
ok no problem was just chekcing!!!
Thanks for the updates!!!
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On October 31 2011 08:14 Capped wrote:You worked to get out of the shit you created, you want us to feel sorry for you? Lol at the finals not being casted, its shameful
You have no idea what you're talking about so please stop posting in this thread. Take your anger out somewhere else.
As someone who actually attended and saw the amazing effort put in by the staff to correct what wasn't their fault to start with, everyone should actually be proud of what has transpired over this weekend.
SCAN computers didn't send half of the promised computers, and a further third of those that did turn up didn't have sound working because they had been used the week previous for a build a computer as quickly as possible competition in London. Therefore there were only 4 computers to play on until the streaming computers were pulled to catch up with the competition.
In addition to this, the stage audio gear was found not to work on Saturday morning despite being tested beforehand. The casters DID turn up and I agree with what Leon said above, to suggest otherwise with no evidence to the contrary is clearly a mistake.
The other problems have been detailed in the thread - but these all stemmed from being unable to get the computers set up - they couldn't adhere to any schedule. I don't know about people being DQd for getting food, that sounds like an exaggeration to me - if you were playing around lunchtime then eat earlier or after your group had finished. I never had any bad experience regarding this - there were only 4 consecutive bo3s to play at most.
Needless to say, I don't feel these mistakes will be made again - everything is a learning experience and they will improve. I would also like to suggest that we shouldn't have to get there for 9:30 if the games won't start until 1 but I feel that this might be a logistical thing that might be unavoidable. Hopefully it can be corrected for next time. The money charged was in line with the other games and is how they support the event, because no one gets behind it they can't get sponsorship on an MLG/GSL scale. Get behind British e-sports rather than being a keyboard warrior from behind your PC.
In the face of a lot of controversy, a lot of people worked very hard to correct things that were beyond their control and bring us a tournament. Obviously it was not ideal but a big shout out to those who put in the effort to even run it!
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I think blaming Bakor for something which wasnt his fauly and sounds like he worked his ass off to try fix it is a bit far fecthed
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The top four are as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +DignitasTan 4th 4K.DreAm 3rd dBling 2nd LLLOrly 1st
On October 31 2011 08:33 FrozenFruit wrote: As someone who actually attended and saw the amazing effort put in by the staff to correct what wasn't their fault to start with, everyone should actually be proud of what has transpired over this weekend. Thanks for the support, we did our best under the circumstances.
On October 31 2011 08:33 FrozenFruit wrote:SCAN computers didn't send half of the promised computers, and a further third of those that did turn up didn't have sound working because they had been used the week previous for a build a computer as quickly as possible competition in London. Therefore there were only 4 computers to play on until the streaming computers were pulled to catch up with the competition. We did fix issues with 4 of the PCs on saturday afternoon, but it still delayed us greatly
On October 31 2011 08:33 FrozenFruit wrote: I don't know about people being DQd for getting food, that sounds like an exaggeration to me We only DQ'd one person over the weekend, and that was on Sunday morning for a no-show
EDIT: I was just given admin on the binarybeast bracket, so I've updated the scores on there as well.
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We only DQ'd one person over the weekend, and that was on Sunday morning for a no-show
I think this was part of the problem. If you declare rules, you should stick by them. I can't emphasize how amazing the staff were this weekend but I find it ridiculous that people that were over an hour and half late were not disqualified Saturday morning. You guys made most of the people wait 3+ hours to begin and thats just not right.
I know you can't make everyone happy and being super strict about lateness can cause problems but when people are 2 hours late for registration don't allow them to do that!
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I will attempt to write a blog post about today's experience when I'm not comatose, but it's currently 2:15am and tonight was a blur of "Aaaaaaaah" basically. Please bear with the organisers, and I will try to shed a bit more light from my perspective on things tomorrow for what it's worth to the community. :-)
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We only DQ'd one person over the weekend, and that was on Sunday morning for a no-show
Just like the post above, this seems to be one of the biggest problems. I spoke with one of the competitors today that turned up slightly early, just to make sure there were no potential problems. He said he waited almost 4 hours before his first game, because two of the people in his group were late.
Apart from that, he said the thing was run extremely well given the circumstances. That, and the apparent lack of rules when it came to group tiebreakers...
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On October 31 2011 11:14 JoRoSaR wrote: I will attempt to write a blog post about today's experience when I'm not comatose, but it's currently 2:15am and tonight was a blur of "Aaaaaaaah" basically. Please bear with the organisers, and I will try to shed a bit more light from my perspective on things tomorrow for what it's worth to the community. :-)
I think we should be thanking you for a great job today John, you did a great job, and hopefully I'll see you at Barcraft for Providence!!
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Wicked event!
Players and staff both really friendly and despite some technical problems the event was really well run.
Why people are complaining is beyond me.
Cheers everyone, see you all at EGL5?! xoxoxoxoxoxo
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On October 31 2011 11:18 tabbott26 wrote:Show nested quote + We only DQ'd one person over the weekend, and that was on Sunday morning for a no-show
Just like the post above, this seems to be one of the biggest problems. I spoke with one of the competitors today that turned up slightly early, just to make sure there were no potential problems. He said he waited almost 4 hours before his first game, because two of the people in his group were late. Apart from that, he said the thing was run extremely well given the circumstances. That, and the apparent lack of rules when it came to group tiebreakers...
No lack of rules.... Binary beast does it on game difference.... There were 0 'tied' brackets.
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I enjoy the tour very much! First LAN for me. And I have made a lots of friends there. All I was trying to do is making good games! But sorry I played bad in the last . too tired and hungry.
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Awesome first lan really enjoyed meeting all the gamers at the event. Everyone was friendly and was there to help if you needed something. Even though the event started with 4 computers the EGL staff where already trying to fix the problem and managed to do so very efficiently and quickly.
EGL = Epic weekend.
GG and WP to all players that turned up.
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I enjoyed what I saw on the stream, unfortunate what happened.
Looking forward to seeing the final.
Bakor & other admins thankyou for trying your best, I am sure in the next EGL you won't be using the same providers.
Oh and one last thing.. Capped you are a first class idiot.
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Big shout out to the admins who I know did all they could to get everything running as smoothly as possible. Unfortunately things happen that they have no control over and they jut have to make the most it. The key thing here is that everyone who attended has said that they had a great time.
And I'm sure a lot of lessons have been learnt. Help UK e-Sports grow and support the tournaments even through the hard times.
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good weekend, day 2 was a lot better than day 1 but admins tried there best. Good event guys
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On October 30 2011 23:29 Barleyarley wrote: So instead of giving advice and helping one of the few organisations in the UK that are running SC2 events you decide to turn your back on it entirely? Thats proactive...
Also the first ECL event for SC2 wasn't that bad, they provided a seperate staging area specifically for SC2 and all the PCs needed to run the event and everything worked to schedule. Saying you didn't work for a fee isn't entirely true either seeing as the SC2 was broadcast via your stream.
I couldn't make it to EGL London and it sounds like the faults are somewhat inexcusable, but bitching about them on a forum instead of giving some constructive input is hardly productive is it?
They were given plenty of constructive criticism at the event. I have to wonder why you think you can dictate what my job is when you're merely an outsider with no idea how things went down.
And no, I did not "work for a fee", the limited revenue generated by EGL went towards SCI3, just like any other event broadcast on me stream, I did not see a dime of that. Not to mention that using my stream for an event like that benefits the event, that stream has a ton of followers and subscribers, it attracts more attention if the event is hosted there.
"Turning my back on the event" is also a bullshit accusation. This weekend I had Frag for Cancer and my Charity:Water 12 hour livestream scheduled. Turns out FfC was rescheduled but if you seriously think I'm going to drop 2 charity events just to come down to a mess of an ECL again, then you're out of your mind. So fuck you and fuck your sanctimonious "FOR ESPORTS!" attitude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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On October 31 2011 21:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
"Turning my back on the event" is also a bullshit accusation. This weekend I had Frag for Cancer and my Charity:Water 12 hour livestream scheduled. Turns out FfC was rescheduled but if you seriously think I'm going to drop 2 charity events just to come down to a mess of an ECL again, then you're out of your mind. So fuck you and fuck your sanctimonious "FOR ESPORTS!" attitude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
To be fair, TB, he's probably working from your earlier post;
Myself and Apollo both said "we ain't coming back" after the last ECL
I'm surprised you'd take that attitude. I had a great time regardless of the problems and I'd say yes to casting any UK event again without hesitation. I guess things might be different for you because (although I'm not sure of your situation) I assume you do this for a job, but even so - it's better to be open to casting events like that again, I feel.
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Hi everyone, I was one of the administrators at the tournament and I wanted to chime in about what happened at the event and try to give people a better understanding about what caused the majority of the issues.
!!DISCLAIMER!! I am in no way apart of or affiliated with EGL or any of their subsidiaries. I am a eSports fan through and through, having followed a plethora of games over many years, I volunteered to help oversee the tournament. All opinions stated here are my own.
Firstly Fuck Scan. Over 3 years ago I spent a grand a half on components from them and after this weekend I plan to invent time travel so I can tell myself to not buy from them. We had 36 people sign up to the tournament and a few more come on the day, 16 computers would have been more than enough to run the tournament smoothly and even give people time to go have a nice meal in the evening, as a matter of fact that was my plan, as with all eSports events in the UK things did not go to plan…
On day 1 I got to the venue at 9am and found out that only 8 computers had turned up; I was a little pissed off but things happen, you have to give people some slack. We began setting up the first two groups to face off, hoping that if we started as soon as possible that we could finish the group stages on day 1 and still have a double elimination on Sunday.
Groups A and B set up on the correct Computers and 3 minutes into set up I hear a phrase that would continue to haunt me for the entire weekend ‘My Sounds not working….’ I get over to the PCs and see that 4 of the 8 do not have the correct drivers install, I begin downloading the drivers but realise because each terminal is limited to 50kb/s a second it would take forever, we called over the tech guys and had to wait for them to work their magic.
We were now running a 36 man tournament on 4 computers and the first games of the tournament had not even been played. The day plodded along at what felt like a snail’s pace and the decision to stop setting up the stream and use the 4 PCs from there was made to try and get more games played. We set up the other 4 PCs and we were back up to 8, with 4 still out of action due to sound card drivers. The games began being played at a faster pace and then the other 4 PCs that had sound issues were repaired, we began telling players to set up on the newly repaired machines only to have 2 of them die completely needing a full format; with a grand total of 10 working PCs out of the potential 20 we carried on.
As Day 1 drew to an end we had all the games bar 4 from the final two groups played and it looked like we had made it through the worst of it, after starting the day at 9am I made my way home at 1am to try to prepare for the next day.
Day 2 was much better, I came in late as I stayed later than the other admins the previous day and when I arrived the rest of the games from group play had been finished, the stream was being finalised and all was looking well. There is not much to say about Day 2 apart from the fact that the finals could not be streamed due to venue limitations, the main factor that caused the final day to run long was the length of games, with only the top 16 players left each game was played more cautiously and therefore lasted longer than anticipated. I believe the replays for the final games are going to be casted sometime soon and hopefully VODs will be posted.
After this experience I feel it’s not worth me administrating tournaments that have components that I do not have control over so I won’t be volunteering again, I will go to events, pay my entry and buy some sponsor products to help support eSports, but when shit like this happens it’s not the faceless entities like SCAN that get the blame but rather the poor sods who volunteer their time to help run the tournament.
Frequently Asked Questions.
‘Why did you leave it to the last minute to set up?’ – I personally was not involved in the setup of the gaming area but from what I have been able to gather EGL was only given access to the rooms where the games were being played the night before and had a small window of opportunity to set up.
‘Why are you shit at hosting tournaments?’ – Don’t ask me talk to EGL directly, in my personally opinion it’ because a lot of organisations in the UK treat gaming as more of a community driven entity rather than a professional sport. Hopefully with the entry of IPL into the UK market this kind of bullshit stops happening.
‘Go fuck yourself, why bother hosting a tournament if you are going to fail?’ – I guess EGL want to grab a foothold in the SC2 market as it is without a doubt the biggest eSports at the moment, it’s a shame that they don’t have the experience in hosting PC tournaments and hopefully they get better in time. Just to put this in perspective the power for the tournament had fuses that were designed for PS3 or xbox 360 consoles both of which have approximately 350w PSUs, the PSUs on some of the PCs were over 1000w and caused a few PCs to flip a breaker which caused them to turn off. Luckily this never happened in a game but its small things like this that can cause a whole lot heap of trouble.
In closing, I love eSports and I do my best as a fan to try and help it in the UK but when shit like this happens how can I continue to support it. It’s like I am married to UK eSports and its continually cheating on me, how many times can I forgive it and keep taking it back.
Fuck all these massive organisations hosting tournaments for multiple games, and failing miserably RO8 Top player Invitational round my house in the new year, I will put up the prize money and sort everything out myself.
See you at I-Series...
TL:DR Fuck Scan, See you at I-Series
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On October 31 2011 20:53 Vamp wrote: Oh and one last thing.. Capped you are a first class idiot.
For pointing out that half of their issues were down to poor organisation and lack of planning? If so, i am indeed an idiot.
Correct me if im wrong but the main issues were: 1) Computers did not turn up / were not working. 2) Lack of clarification in the rules / enforcement of them.
So the first issue is obviously solved by having them delivered prior to the day before the event (5-7 days maybe?) and checking them all over, allowing you time to get replacements or repairs.
The second..is just getting the rules written finalised and making sure your staff know them? Instead of having them struggle through not knowing shit. This is a very basic thing, no? I really do take my hat off to those staff over the weekend as in the beginning it seemed they were told diddily squat.
Seriously, very simple issues removed with very basic planning.
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On October 31 2011 22:36 Sombrero wrote: ‘Why did you leave it to the last minute to set up?’
This is actually a question I probably should answer that I haven't, because there have been a lot of "you should have sorted it well in advance derpaderp" posts that don't seem to understand the PCs were ordered 3-4 weeks in advance, the company was chased up regularly and we had a window of time between 10pm on the Friday (when the Emirates located our PCs) and 10am on the Saturday in which replacement PCs could have been found.
Admins were told PCs would be ready within a matter of days at several points. "Basic planning" FTW. Unfortunately as the company in question was a sponsor, you can't really turn your back on them and say "right, we're gonna go find some other PCs" a week before the event.
Nice post Sombrero, you did an awesome job this weekend. <3
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On October 31 2011 19:59 9sDreAm wrote: I enjoy the tour very much! First LAN for me. And I have made a lots of friends there. All I was trying to do is making good games! But sorry I played bad in the last . too tired and hungry.
awesome series against Tan. <3
DreAm fightinggg
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Also want to say a job well done to the casters. Adrenal providing brilliant analytical casting again.
Unfortunately all the good that has come from this event has been overshadowed by the technical and planning issue.
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In response to sombrero's FAQ section I can shed more light onto the first question.
‘Why did you leave it to the last minute to set up?’ We were not even allowed into the room where SC2, GoW3, Halo and PS3 CoD were being played until 10PM on Friday night. This was one setback, but the biggest one for us was that Eremites misplaced all the PCs. They arrived at 12 noon on Friday, and Eremites had no idea where their delivery staff had put them. It was not until midnight when we finally convinced them to check CCTV that they were found. If we had gotten them at noon we would have been able to test them before hand and possibly get replacements sorted, but because of that 12 hour delay, and not being able to get into the room until very late as well, setup and testing times were greatly cut short. This is also why the stream was not running on Saturday, as the stage was nowhere near complete.
‘Why are you shit at hosting tournaments? - Feedback we got from players was pretty positive about how the event ran under the circumstances.
And to reply to some comments directed at myself,
I think this was part of the problem. If you declare rules, you should stick by them. I can't emphasize how amazing the staff were this weekend but I find it ridiculous that people that were over an hour and half late were not disqualified Saturday morning.
Nobody was late for their group games on Saturday to my knowledge, our only cause of delay was the PC issues.
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I was at the event. I had a great time and met lots of cool people and I had a lot of fun doing so.
Yes, there sadly were delays. Yes, not everything went to plan but considering the massive setbacks that were had the event went pretty well considering how bad things could have gone. It's obviously disappointing when an event that you're excited about and want to see doesnt go to plan but I don't know where some of the rumours in this thread are coming from though since some things I'm seeing here are new to me.
Nobody as far as I know was late for the group stages, and certainly people being late was not at all the cause of the delays to games. Being in group A and one of the first people to set up the only things that caused any delay for us was the fact that 4 of the computers had no functional sound. At no point were the group stages delayed due to someone being late.
The whole dispute about the rules didn't make any sense to me either. The group in question had 3 players with the same number of wins and one player had more games won than the other players. Surely that makes sense for that player to be put through? And thats what happened.
It's a shame that external circumstances have made this event less than what it should have been but as a player it was a very fun experience for me and it was great to meet everyone that I did there.
Thanks to Joe and Sombrero for being awesome admins, we love you both <3
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On October 31 2011 22:36 Sombrero wrote: TL:DR Fuck Scan, See you at I-Series
Standard.
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Feedback for the stream -
Good quality, good games, would definatley watch again. The only advice I really have is that you don't need a caster like Mr Bitter to 'legitamise' the tournament. Leon and Adrenal (especially Adrenal, no offense Leon) were exceptional and had really good synergy; for once I was watching casters at a small tournament who can actually read builds. So great job on that. Also great job on getting all the best UK players together because I'm a little girl nerd for bling, deranging, lau, gomas etc. Just so nice to be able to cheer for people who you talk to in the UK channel.
So yeah, good job with the stream, but if you did another event you'd really have to run it 100% smoothly otherwise it might be lights out.
Final point - please stop the stupid bitter in fighting guys. Theres like what, a hundred of us who regulaly play and watch together in the UK. Lets not fuck that up.
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There was a guy kicking about taking tons of pictures.
Anyone know where these can be found? Wanna see if there are any of my crying after Tan demolished me.
Thanks
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I said to bling yday thay while the venue was impressive, it wasn't practical at all, this needs to be adressed. I think its brilliant how the people who were there had fun, good on you lot. The people who say fuck this is killing esports, although this wasnt a great tournament, at least people put a.lot of effort in, most people who are crying on here offer nothing to the scene but are always the first ones to cry. In closing, my post earlier in the weekend was out of frustration and aimed at the ignorant. See you guys at iseries and I hope you enjoyed what little we provided.
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On November 01 2011 01:29 Slyce wrote: There was a guy kicking about taking tons of pictures.
Anyone know where these can be found? Wanna see if there are any of my crying after Tan demolished me.
Thanks
I suspect, Slyce, that would be me. At least before the last-minute casting and packing up.
I plan on updating tonight or tomorrow at the latest; my problem is that outside of SC2 casting and playing I'm a competitive chess player and am organising a huge tournament this weekend so have very limited time. I'll squeeze something out for blog and for TL tonight though!
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As promised (sorry for the delay, it took waaaaaaaaaay longer than I thought) here is the report from Day 2 as well as a summary, to the best of my knowledge, of what went on. WARNING: LONG READ, CLOSE TO 3000 WORDS.
Also note - any reference to "This post will be updated" or "Updated here" refers to the original blog post - just a disclaimer as I may not update this TL post.
Original blog post is at: JoRoSaR's Dominion
The Sunday was going to be a challenge for EGL4′s Starcraft II organisers. I mentioned in my previous post that ‘technical issues’ delayed play on the Saturday but not quite to what extent. In order to better understand some of the difficulties faced by the admin team and organisers, I’d like to start by outlining the challenge faced by the EGL4.
On the Friday evening, sixteen computers were ordered in by EGL. Given the strict times where people had to leave the hall, there was a very limited amount of time to set up. This would not have been a problem had all the equipment been there but for some reason only eight of the sixteen computers were delivered to the SC2 tournament hall. These computers were set up anyway for a 36-player tournament on the Saturday morning, and were in-place just before the team had to leave the venue.
On the Saturday morning, another problem quickly materialised. These computers were previously used in a "speed-building" event at the previous week's LIT, the London International Technology show. Contestants would race to assemble the PC from basic parts and the fastest were the ones that won prizes. This in itself is not a problem as none of the parts were physically broken from abuse - however, it transpired that the computers did not get re-tested before being sent to EGL. Therefore, of the sixteen actually delivered, only eight would boot up - down to 50% capacity before the event ever started. In addition, several minutes into the games from Group A and Group B it was quickly discovered that sound was not working on four out of the eight PCs left, so down to 25%. Finally, two more computers throughout the day died completely and I believe were completely stripped and reformatted. This means at one point there were only two computers available for use and of course this was unacceptable. Quite a bit down from the original sixteen, I'm sure you'll agree.
Insert hero decision number one from the staff, who made the brave move of dismantling the stream and disappointing the viewers worldwide in favour of getting more computers to the players to run the tournament. The four computers on-stage meant for the casters and observers were brought down so that more games could be played while the other computers could be fixed.
Near the end of day one, despite the fact that we should have had 20 computers running for the entire day, we had 10 working for the end of the day (and at one point in the morning we were down to 2). There was even a point in time where the possible decision to cancel the tournament was considered. Thankfully, the organisers pulled through thanks to the quick thinking to stop the stream to use the extra computers, and all but four group games were finished on the Saturday by 22.00. One of the organisers was forced to crash at his hotel early (18.00, when all the group stages were originally supposed to conclude) once double-digit PCs were working as he was on two days without sleep and exhausted because the problems that EGL faced were frankly completely unexpected and ridiculous, which is entirely understandable. As for what went on Saturday (all the good stuff) in the mean time, check out my previous blog post.
Going into Day 2, the tournament was going strong as all the remaining computers had their problems fixed. The main issue now was that the entire tournament was still behind schedule because of yesterday’s issues, even taking into account the six hour ‘buffer’ of games finishing at 22.00 instead of 18.00 (that’s how big the delay was; not too surprising considering we had a quarter of the computers we wanted for a lot of the day).
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0033.jpg) Setting up the projector for the stream on Day 2
In light of the lack of PCs I offered the previous evening to lug in my old desktop computer (for those who have seen my Equipment Locker page, I’m referring to the original C.H.L.O.E., who recently got replaced and was sitting idle in my room waiting to be sold / passed on) and was told by text at squeaky-o’clock-in-the-morning on the Sunday that it could be used as the second caster’s observing computer. I duly brought the computer in and we were thereby able to use all 10 PCs that we had the previous day as well as a new PC for casting up on stage – with C.H.L.O.E. as the backup for observing. As many followers know, the stream was up on the Sunday and things, while behind schedule, went very smoothly indeed.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1445.jpg)
In fact, not only did this happen but I found myself with a reasonable amount of time to walk around between games since there were no longer problems we could solve flying about! In addition to taking photos I managed to sneak in a reasonable number of interviews with some great players and personalities on the EGL4 SC2 scene, including in no particular order:
Michael “dignitas.Odee” O’Dell, team manager of Dignitas Javier “LndnBarcraft” Lee (London Barcraft’s sponsored player) ShiJie “4k.DreAm” Zhu Jay Smith, Co-Owner of BinaryBeast Andrew “Sombrero” Philippou (One of the head admins of the SC2 tournament) Samayan “dignitas.BlinG” Kay
A massive shoutout is required here to Robin Lomax Bjerke, who I met at EGL4. He is a fellow London Barcrafter and is also an audio engineer who happened to have the correct equipment to record fantastic quality audio for the interviews! It is thanks to him that you will hear actual voices in the video as opposed to background noise and random cheering.
EGL4 Interviews and Photo Diary Video above - Interviews and photo diary (direct link here)
I was also privileged enough to get up into the balcony overlooking the main stage, in time to watch the closing stages of the Halo: Reach tournament where Dignitas would take the final in an EPIC encounter with Infused. The game was so intense in the final that even as an RTS gamer (okay, so I have history with Counter-Strike…) I was completely glued to the action, and the crowd were incredibly enthusiastic and cheering many of the ridiculously awesome plays we saw out of both teams.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1439.jpg)
I was not forgetting the incredible Starcraft II games that were now progressing steadily through both halves of the winners brackets, though! After watching the epic conclusion to the Halo: Reach final I dashed back to watch incredible emotional scenes as the brackets slowly progressed.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1427.jpg) Team Dignitas’ TanDongHo, BlinG and R2k chilling out between games
(Spoiler Alert – This paragraph only) + Show Spoiler +One of the upsets occured early on in the winner’s bracket where 4k.DreAm, who told me via interview earlier in the day that the player he fears the most by far in the tournament was Dignitas.Tan, manages to overcome his anxiety and pull out a 2-1 win, relegating TanDongHo (the clear favourite of the tournament by ladder ranking, top-10 GM in Korea means an awful lot!) to the lower bracket where he would go out in a shock loss against team Infused’s Lau later on. 4k.DreAm holds his hands in emotional release immediately after an epic Game 3
In the breaks while some of the preliminary lower bracket rounds were being cast by the wonderful team of Leon and Adrenal (who did a phenomenal job by the way, and were there throughout the entire tournament including during the downtime on Saturday!), some good humour shenanigan-ry was also on the cards.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0036.jpg) Tan…your build orders are MINE!
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1409.jpg) “What do you mean, we shouldn’t have let JoRo borrow the pen?” (And yes, this got onto the live stream – kekeke ^^)
Though we were all having a lot of fun and things were running smoothly, a lot of constructive work was obviously getting done. The casters were doing their thing, the admins were ensuring the player-flow at the computers was optimal and I was running around like a headless chicken with my camera. That is, until I unexpectedly heard the most exciting phrase I’ve ever heard from anyone at an eSports event, ever.
“Can you be on stage in five minutes?”
Erwut.
As things transpired, LeonStarcraft’s voice needed to take a small break due to the accelerated day of cast after cast attempting to run the event back up on schedule. As the other caster at the venue (albeit as a visitor originally!) I was called up to cast alongside Adrenal for the remaining lower bracket games – with Leon coming back to cast the Grand Finals. I was ecstatic and want to thank both of the scheduled casters and EGL4 for giving me the opportunity – I only hope I did the community proud. I’m incredibly happy that the initial feedback I received from the community and those on London Barcraft’s facebook page (who unexpectedly saw me on stream and collectively went “Wut!?”) was very positive.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1447.jpg) As an added bonus, I was observing on C.H.L.O.E. in what would be her last hurrah as my gaming PC – a fitting tribute!
I am sad to report, however, that this is where the tournament encountered its final hurdle that it sadly could not pass. If you recall at the beginning of this blog post I mentioned that one of the problems with the hall on the Friday night was that set up could only be done until 22.00. This was also the case on the Sunday of the event where we would be forcibly evicted at 22.00. These were not EGL’s rules but those of the venue at the Emirates stadium and to be fair, what was outlined in the agreement to rent the venue. This meant that the stream had to be put off-air so that the stage could be dismantled, and thus the viewership lost out on watching the Lower Bracket Finals and Grand Final. Not only this, but power and network connectivity was removed to the hall, meaning that we had no way of communicating to the outside world or updating the brackets (I tried to keep updates going via Twitter for a while but in case the games got cast later I gave no spoilers. I also posted a bit on the TeamLiquid thread).
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0039.jpg) When they said “We need to pack up” they weren’t kidding – this was the original SC2 room just 30 minutes after the stream went offline.
Thinking on their feet, the admins made their final hero decision of the evening and quickly dragged two computers to another event hall where we could try and hang out until midnight, and no later. In a room full of monitors and XBoxes, two lone PCs kept going as the Lower Bracket Finals were played to their conclusion, and the Grand Finals began at 23.15.
(Spoiler Alert – Reading past this point *may* reveal implicit spoilers about who participated in the Grand Final. However, the final result will not be revealed. Scroll past the next image and the paragraph after it if you wish to keep reading this article spoiler-free)
+ Show Spoiler + The Grand Final being played in an otherwise deserted XBox gaming hall on the last two networked PCs in a race against timeIf you don’t want to know who won the Lower Bracket final or who is participating in the Grand Final, do NOT study the preceeding image, by the way. For those of you with sufficient nerd-knowledge to recognise both players participating in the above photograph immediately, my apologies but you were previously warned.
This is where unfortunate circumstance comes in for its final call of the evening, sadly. In large part due to the lack of computers on the Sunday still (remember, 10 working is still less than the 16 originally hoped for), and also due to some incredibly long games earlier on in the Lower Bracket including an hour-long epic, at midnight the Grand Final had to be halted after five games had been played out of a possible seven (the score was 3-2, which isn’t giving anything away seeing as it’s the only score possible with five games played). Many of the venue staff had worked a 17-hour shift (not the EGL guys, the Arsenal stadium staff) on the Sunday and we were soberly informed by the duty manager that we would simply be breaking UK law by continuing to use the venue beyond midnight. It was with a heavy heart that we decided the remaining games of the final would be played online in a few days once the two finalists have had a chance to rest.
There was zero choice but to apologise to the players and pack away as quickly as possible. The mood was obviously sad and especially so for the finalists who were understandably frustrated, but we huddled together and all agreed (players as well as the EGL staff; there were probably about 15 of us left) that given how ridiculously far behind we were on Saturday and were at one point considering cancelling the tournament altogether, we had done a tremendous job to get this far. It’s unfortunate that another half an hour would probably have concluded the tournament entirely but there was simply nothing we could do to prolong our stay at the venue as once again power was switched off to the ‘backup’ hall where we were trying to blitz out the final games of the evening.
Given that there was nothing else we could do, the EGL crew, casters and players went back to the hotel in a minibus to reflect over pizza and drinks in the hotel lobby. A lovely scene at the hotel was where the third placed player in the tournament (no spoilers for those who don’t want it; those that know who the finalists were can work it out) was presented with his giant cheque by Nick Baker. Afterwards, more reflecting and relaxing (which was sorely required after such a stressful weekend) was the order of the evening.
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0042.jpg) The heroes of EGL who, despite all the event’s problems, stuck around until the very last seconds to try and get the tournament finished.
At this point I would like to point out that on the whole, the EPL4 Starcraft event was a success. We had some ridiculously epic games and a very tight bracket that made for incredibly close competition, as well as a tremendous team behind the scenes on top of Adrenal and Leon who raced through Sunday to power through as many games as possible. The players themselves were supremely patient with the organisers as they jumped what seemed like a million hurdles and the staff hauled arse to ensure as many games as possible were played.
Of course, it must be acknowledged that failures did occur and need to be improved on for the next event. It’s unfortunate that most of the problems stemmed from a basic lack of computers (ignoring the quality problems of having them built at speed in a competition and then left unchecked) but these issues can be fixed, especially if an agreement with a venue is reached for EGL5 where the admins are given a bit more time to initially set up beforehand. The players had to wait a long time between games and as we know the tournament was not even fully finished on the night (but came oh so close).
![[image loading]](http://www.jorosar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1438.jpg)
Personally, I believe it’s of paramount importance to note that every single person involved in the event gave a 110% effort to trying to make it more successful, and it was truly unfortunate that not all the problems could be overcome by the end of play on Sunday.
The event could have simply been cancelled on the Saturday, People could have gone home sooner on the Sunday, The final two series didn’t have to be moved to the next hall (especially since it wasn’t on-stream anymore)… But no – all possible stops were pulled in a gargantuan effort to get as much done as possible. The EGL team, organisers, referees and casters deserve nothing but our highest praise. The vast majority of the problems encountered by them on the weekend were not their fault – but still they fought through and ended up giving the participants the best experience they could muster. As far as I am concerned, despite all the problems I can’t wait for the next one if the same passionate, hard working and enthusiastic people are involved.
Finally, the real reason for no result spoilers – thanks to C.H.L.O.E. being used as an observing computer and also a quiet word to the players before the ‘missed’ games (LB Final and Grand Final), I am actually in personal possession of all the replays that were played at EGL4 over the weekend (although I need to plug in and extract them from the depths of the computer). I intend on creating a replay pack (but won’t release it without EGL’s consent) and to try and make a little something up to the non-attending community, I hope that I can arrange for the games that weren’t cast live on air to be re-cast at some point within the next week. These may also possibly include the final one/two games that weren’t played at the venue on the night. I do ask that you bear with us on this, and I promise to update this blog post when I find out if the games are being cast, and if so also with a date and time.
Thank you all for making the weekend what it was – things didn’t go flawlessly by a long way, but the people involved and the concentration of passion in the SC2 hall were second to none and I can only hope that all events have people like this involved in the future.
(A footnote / disclaimer: I am not officially associated with EGL4 / organisation of the event nor was I brought in for any specific purpose; I was originally a spectator and I volunteered to help out where I could. This blog post should be considered solely my opinion. I apologise in advance if this blog post contains any factual errors and will correct them if notified. I’ve done my best to be 100% accurate and honest throughout)
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Its leon not liam^^^ Otherwise nicely wrote
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On November 01 2011 20:28 LeonStarcraft wrote: Its leon not liam^^^ Otherwise nicely wrote
Wow. Please please forgive me - I finished writing that at almost 3am and for some reason the name Liam stuck in my head >.< Must be somebody else I met over the weekend! All corrected now *blush* ^^
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<3 John
Excellently written! It's a good thing you got that hotel bar photo before the rest of the... "conversation".
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Awesome write up John, you should make it a blog post
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Looks like the team at EGL made the best of a horrid situation. Shows how strong the spirit of us Brits can be when pushed! :D
<3
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On November 02 2011 00:37 AdrenalGBR wrote:<3 John Excellently written! It's a good thing you got that hotel bar photo before the rest of the... "conversation". 
I didn't actually - this was simply the point where I stopped splitting my sides laughing (and cringing) long enough to get the camera out, LOL!
On November 02 2011 01:49 Sombrero wrote:Awesome write up John, you should make it a blog post 
Hehe, it's copied from my blog technically Original post here.
I have some more good news. Thanks to Adrenal's brilliant help throughout the day on the observer PC and the help of the players themselves sending in some replays after the stream went down...I now have replays of:
- Every single game cast on-stream - Lower Bracket Final (didn't get streamed) - The first three games of the Grand Final (i.e. before it got halted and we had to leave).
I've e-mailed asking EGL if they could send me overlays so I can cast (for those that missed it) the lower bracket final and the grand final to date. I have not yet heard back from them but will wait, as I think it should really be their overlays etc. (I don't want to be advertising myself with my own overlays, this is their event and all I'm really doing is showing the games that didn't get cast).
Just to let you all know though, pending a reply from EGL (or if I don't hear an objection from them) my plan is to live-cast the remaining games (then dump to YouTube afterwards) at some point next week so that those who wanted to watch the games, can do so. Alternatively, I could just straight-to-YouTube cast them and put the links in this thread, which would mean people don't have to be online at a certain time if I live casted. What would people prefer?
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Not many people watched the event live, i doubt many will watch a online version, but thats just my opinion.
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On November 02 2011 10:12 LeonStarcraft wrote: Not many people watched the event live, i doubt many will watch a online version, but thats just my opinion.
yeh but the live stream was hit because of the stuff that happened saturday, I waited from about 11(when apparently the evnt was going to start) and checked back all day and didnt actually find any official post or anything till about 6pm if it was even that, so I sure as hell wasnt going to wait around on Sunday. If saturday had gone fine I think you would of picked up a lot more viewers.
i hope I44 goes well!!! Will deffiantly be watching I44 live, and I hope they cast some of the BYOC!!!! Hopeing for a non problem event!!
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A final update on two points:
1. The video compilation as promised is now on YouTube - clicky clicky. Enjoy! Go easy on me as it was my first interview compilation :-)
2. I have been informed that the Lower Bracket Final *and* every game from the Grand Final (including all outstanding games) will be cast at some point after i44. This may be a few weeks, so don't hold your breath (It depends on EGL's schedule and many of the staff are doing i44 so that's why it could take a while) - but they WILL BE CAST! For the same reason I'm holding off doing any casting of EGL4 replays until after the official LBF and GF casts are over.
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edited - points still stand but out of respect took post down.
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It's a shame that your costs weren't covered. I am not going to say anything about any organisations cause when I do someone usually takes it personally because they have invested their own time and effort into a tournament but I am done with volunteering and helping UK SC2 on the back end. I am still going to go to events and buy my spectator tickets and follow it religiously but when you rely on other people for any aspect of a tournament, be it travel costs or computers to run the tournament you put faith in other people and their abilities to do their job.
If I was you Tim, I would never spend money on esports that you aren't prepared to not have given back, large organisations are businesses at the end of the day and if there is no contract and there is no evidence then why should they treat you as a human being, you are an asset to the tournament (your awesome casting and sultry sexy voice) and if they can get your services with no/delayed cost why wouldn't they.
TL:DR Only spend money you are prepared to lose in Esports, until contracts are the norm for services rendered nothing is going to stop businesses cutting corners/delaying pay out to people working for them.
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+1 on what Sombrero's said.
It's a shame that this has happened to you Leon; fingers crossed it gets sorted asap.
<3
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I understand your situation, having been in it myself before (albeit missing money from a team, rather than an event) but I think this is the wrong way to go about dealing with it. The sensationalism in your post is pretty staggering. If you don't want to be reimbursed for Dream's hotel money, for example, why mention the exact amount? You could have just said "I helped the event out by paying for Dream's hotel room" but instead what you've written is angling for as much sympathy and outrage as possible from the general public.
I'm not going to sit here and defend the way EGL have treated you - but really, you'd make a good tabloid journalist. There are better ways to sort this out than PR blackmail. It makes everyone look bad.
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I just started covering a few more UK events on our site, rather than just the big worldwide events, i44/IPL was great but from reading this don't think I will send myself down or another member of staff to attend an EGL event, if that is how they treat staff then I don't want to think how they would treat media.
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Payment been paid by myself, sorry for misunderstanding.
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On November 29 2011 01:37 AdrenalGBR wrote: I understand your situation, having been in it myself before (albeit missing money from a team, rather than an event) but I think this is the wrong way to go about dealing with it. The sensationalism in your post is pretty staggering. If you don't want to be reimbursed for Dream's hotel money, for example, why mention the exact amount? You could have just said "I helped the event out by paying for Dream's hotel room" but instead what you've written is angling for as much sympathy and outrage as possible from the general public.
I'm not going to sit here and defend the way EGL have treated you - but really, you'd make a good tabloid journalist. There are better ways to sort this out than PR blackmail. It makes everyone look bad.
I have been quiet about it for a while now, sending PM's on skype but getting no where.
It's all well and good sitting there criticising the way i have gone about this, but at the end of the day i shouldn't of had to. I mentioned the dream thing as it goes to show everything wrong with it, i mentioned the cost because that's what it was. PR blackmail? more like the straight up truth.
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Just re-read the stuff you're typing! "The unions should have accepted our offer" doesn't make it right for the government to dock everyone from the public sector who's striking on Wednesday a month's pay. This is not the way the world works. You can't use the excuse "I shouldn't have had to" to justify doing something silly.
Anyway, I guess the issue has been resolved so after you take your parting shot we can leave it be and get on with our lives.
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Issue hasn't been resolved, why should Bakor have to pay out of his own pocket. How can you consider a league legitimate when they can't even pay the costs of running events let alone paying out to tournament winners, which to be fair they did quite well paying out the events from earlier on in the year.
I really commend organizations getting involved in PC gaming but maybe they should get infrastructure, both in terms of technical equipment and capital to cover costs, sorted before diving it because its the little things like this that make them look amateur. Imagine if football commentators weren't getting paid for their services, or weren't getting their costs covered, it would make the sport look ridiculously unprofessional.
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On November 29 2011 03:29 AdrenalGBR wrote:
Anyway, I guess the issue has been resolved so after you take your parting shot we can leave it be and get on with our lives.
Such a childish line Matty.
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