Wow. Please please forgive me - I finished writing that at almost 3am and for some reason the name Liam stuck in my head >.< Must be somebody else I met over the weekend! All corrected now *blush* ^^

AdrenalGBR

United Kingdom182 Posts

November 01 2011 15:37 GMT

#222

<3 John

Excellently written! It's a good thing you got that hotel bar photo before the rest of the... "conversation".

Sombrero

United Kingdom134 Posts

November 01 2011 16:49 GMT

#223

Awesome write up John, you should make it a blog post

Kharne

United Kingdom114 Posts

November 01 2011 21:34 GMT

#224

Looks like the team at EGL made the best of a horrid situation. Shows how strong the spirit of us Brits can be when pushed! :D

<3

JoRoSaR

United Kingdom143 Posts

November 02 2011 00:30 GMT

#225

On November 02 2011 00:37 AdrenalGBR wrote:
<3 John

Excellently written! It's a good thing you got that hotel bar photo before the rest of the... "conversation".

I didn't actually - this was simply the point where I stopped splitting my sides laughing (and cringing) long enough to get the camera out, LOL!

On November 02 2011 01:49 Sombrero wrote:
Awesome write up John, you should make it a blog post

Hehe, it's copied from my blog technically

Original post here.

I have some more good news. Thanks to Adrenal's brilliant help throughout the day on the observer PC and the help of the players themselves sending in some replays after the stream went down...I now have replays of:

- Every single game cast on-stream
- Lower Bracket Final (didn't get streamed)
- The first three games of the Grand Final (i.e. before it got halted and we had to leave).

I've e-mailed asking EGL if they could send me overlays so I can cast (for those that missed it) the lower bracket final and the grand final to date. I have not yet heard back from them but will wait, as I think it should really be their overlays etc. (I don't want to be advertising myself with my own overlays, this is their event and all I'm really doing is showing the games that didn't get cast).

Just to let you all know though, pending a reply from EGL (or if I don't hear an objection from them) my plan is to live-cast the remaining games (then dump to YouTube afterwards) at some point next week so that those who wanted to watch the games, can do so. Alternatively, I could just straight-to-YouTube cast them and put the links in this thread, which would mean people don't have to be online at a certain time if I live casted. What would people prefer?

LeonStarcraft

United Kingdom173 Posts

November 02 2011 01:12 GMT

#226

Not many people watched the event live, i doubt many will watch a online version, but thats just my opinion.

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

November 02 2011 08:02 GMT

#227

On November 02 2011 10:12 LeonStarcraft wrote:
Not many people watched the event live, i doubt many will watch a online version, but thats just my opinion.

yeh but the live stream was hit because of the stuff that happened saturday, I waited from about 11(when apparently the evnt was going to start) and checked back all day and didnt actually find any official post or anything till about 6pm if it was even that, so I sure as hell wasnt going to wait around on Sunday. If saturday had gone fine I think you would of picked up a lot more viewers.

i hope I44 goes well!!! Will deffiantly be watching I44 live, and I hope they cast some of the BYOC!!!! Hopeing for a non problem event!!

JoRoSaR

United Kingdom143 Posts

November 02 2011 23:16 GMT

#228

A final update on two points:

1. The video compilation as promised is now on YouTube - clicky clicky. Enjoy! Go easy on me as it was my first interview compilation :-)

2. I have been informed that the Lower Bracket Final *and* every game from the Grand Final (including all outstanding games) will be cast at some point after i44. This may be a few weeks, so don't hold your breath (It depends on EGL's schedule and many of the staff are doing i44 so that's why it could take a while) - but they WILL BE CAST! For the same reason I'm holding off doing any casting of EGL4 replays until after the official LBF and GF casts are over.

LeonStarcraft

United Kingdom173 Posts

November 28 2011 16:01 GMT

#229

edited - points still stand but out of respect took post down.

Sombrero

United Kingdom134 Posts

November 28 2011 16:15 GMT

#230

It's a shame that your costs weren't covered. I am not going to say anything about any organisations cause when I do someone usually takes it personally because they have invested their own time and effort into a tournament but I am done with volunteering and helping UK SC2 on the back end. I am still going to go to events and buy my spectator tickets and follow it religiously but when you rely on other people for any aspect of a tournament, be it travel costs or computers to run the tournament you put faith in other people and their abilities to do their job.

If I was you Tim, I would never spend money on esports that you aren't prepared to not have given back, large organisations are businesses at the end of the day and if there is no contract and there is no evidence then why should they treat you as a human being, you are an asset to the tournament (your awesome casting and sultry sexy voice) and if they can get your services with no/delayed cost why wouldn't they.

TL:DR Only spend money you are prepared to lose in Esports, until contracts are the norm for services rendered nothing is going to stop businesses cutting corners/delaying pay out to people working for them.

Russki

United Kingdom72 Posts

November 28 2011 16:31 GMT

#231

+1 on what Sombrero's said.

It's a shame that this has happened to you Leon; fingers crossed it gets sorted asap.

<3

AdrenalGBR

United Kingdom182 Posts

November 28 2011 16:37 GMT

#232

I understand your situation, having been in it myself before (albeit missing money from a team, rather than an event) but I think this is the wrong way to go about dealing with it. The sensationalism in your post is pretty staggering. If you don't want to be reimbursed for Dream's hotel money, for example, why mention the exact amount? You could have just said "I helped the event out by paying for Dream's hotel room" but instead what you've written is angling for as much sympathy and outrage as possible from the general public.

I'm not going to sit here and defend the way EGL have treated you - but really, you'd make a good tabloid journalist. There are better ways to sort this out than PR blackmail. It makes everyone look bad.

JBanKs

United Kingdom617 Posts

November 28 2011 16:39 GMT

#233

I just started covering a few more UK events on our site, rather than just the big worldwide events, i44/IPL was great but from reading this don't think I will send myself down or another member of staff to attend an EGL event, if that is how they treat staff then I don't want to think how they would treat media.

bakor

United Kingdom290 Posts

November 28 2011 16:42 GMT

#234

Payment been paid by myself, sorry for misunderstanding.

LeonStarcraft

United Kingdom173 Posts

November 28 2011 16:45 GMT

#235

On November 29 2011 01:37 AdrenalGBR wrote:
I understand your situation, having been in it myself before (albeit missing money from a team, rather than an event) but I think this is the wrong way to go about dealing with it. The sensationalism in your post is pretty staggering. If you don't want to be reimbursed for Dream's hotel money, for example, why mention the exact amount? You could have just said "I helped the event out by paying for Dream's hotel room" but instead what you've written is angling for as much sympathy and outrage as possible from the general public.

I'm not going to sit here and defend the way EGL have treated you - but really, you'd make a good tabloid journalist. There are better ways to sort this out than PR blackmail. It makes everyone look bad.

I have been quiet about it for a while now, sending PM's on skype but getting no where.

It's all well and good sitting there criticising the way i have gone about this, but at the end of the day i shouldn't of had to. I mentioned the dream thing as it goes to show everything wrong with it, i mentioned the cost because that's what it was. PR blackmail? more like the straight up truth.

AdrenalGBR

United Kingdom182 Posts

November 28 2011 18:29 GMT

#236

Just re-read the stuff you're typing! "The unions should have accepted our offer" doesn't make it right for the government to dock everyone from the public sector who's striking on Wednesday a month's pay. This is not the way the world works. You can't use the excuse "I shouldn't have had to" to justify doing something silly.

Anyway, I guess the issue has been resolved so after you take your parting shot we can leave it be and get on with our lives.

Sombrero

United Kingdom134 Posts

November 28 2011 18:51 GMT

#237

Issue hasn't been resolved, why should Bakor have to pay out of his own pocket. How can you consider a league legitimate when they can't even pay the costs of running events let alone paying out to tournament winners, which to be fair they did quite well paying out the events from earlier on in the year.

I really commend organizations getting involved in PC gaming but maybe they should get infrastructure, both in terms of technical equipment and capital to cover costs, sorted before diving it because its the little things like this that make them look amateur. Imagine if football commentators weren't getting paid for their services, or weren't getting their costs covered, it would make the sport look ridiculously unprofessional.

LeonStarcraft

United Kingdom173 Posts

November 28 2011 18:59 GMT

#238

On November 29 2011 03:29 AdrenalGBR wrote:

Anyway, I guess the issue has been resolved so after you take your parting shot we can leave it be and get on with our lives.

Such a childish line Matty.

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