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humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
September 08 2011 16:48 GMT
#3161
better players won.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 08 2011 16:48 GMT
#3162
On September 09 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:59 Orcinus33ft wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran. I know each race has a few players who dont deserve code S but it seems terran players are just solid lately with a pretty low amount of protoss players who honestly deserve code S. Honestly the only protoss who deserved code S who didnt get it was JYP but fate intervened so that MKP would get 2nd yet again.


I'm a Korean and have been an e-sports fan for a long time, and I think I can safely say that statement is just plain wrong.
There's no reason to think terran pro players have superior skills over protoss or zerg players, perhaps with only exception of MVP, probably was only pro player competitive enough in SC1 leagues when SC2 and GSL launched.
But even MVP didn't "choose" terran in SC2 for any particular reason, he chose it because he was also a terran player in SC1.

I'm not sure why this kind of myth keeps coming.. maybe because David Kim once said some similar remark?
That remark was just lame. Nobody in Korean forum (like playxp) take it seriously.
And nobody thinks JYP was outplayed by those two terran players.
That's not the reason he couldn't make it.
He did everything he could, and he did it pretty well, but just was playing wrong race.

Now everybody with common sense should notice there's something wrong in the game itself when you see 20 players out of 32 are playing certain race.
In elite level, protoss just can't beat terran.

You guys souldn't bash MKP just because he did 1-1-1.
He did what he is supposed to do. To win.
You should bash Blizzard for allowing him to do that.

And worse news?
Upcoming 1.4 patch will be no cure for 1-1-1 nor EMP.


Terran was dominant in bw too. Didn't mean it was imbalanced.

Protoss is more than fine in sc2. If anything they need changes not because of racial imbalance, but because I feel they are boring as hell. I've always felt warp gate mechanic was flawed as well.

of course bw was imbalanced. It was just balanced enough and entertaining enough for it to not matter as much.

twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
September 08 2011 16:51 GMT
#3163
On September 08 2011 23:57 icarly wrote:
Ok so Protoss can't win against Terran or Zerg. Only MMA and MvP can beat Nestea, but the rest of the zergs, besides Dongraegu and Losira who can beat some Terrans, can't beat Terran.

What a hell of a puzzle.

lol, it feels like a question on the LSATs
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 08 2011 16:53 GMT
#3164
On September 09 2011 01:51 Jayrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 23:57 icarly wrote:
Ok so Protoss can't win against Terran or Zerg. Only MMA and MvP can beat Nestea, but the rest of the zergs, besides Dongraegu and Losira who can beat some Terrans, can't beat Terran.

What a hell of a puzzle.

lol, it feels like a question on the LSATs


LSATs were easier.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
chestnutman
Profile Joined March 2011
176 Posts
September 08 2011 16:53 GMT
#3165
If the protosses in the GSL are not good enough, maybe we should help em out. They could put, let's say, a 70% handicap on terran, it's already implemented in the game so no need for new maps. I think that would be an appropriate response to the amount of whine we get from protosses these day. And who wouldn't love to see those mariners get one shotted by colossi?
bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
September 08 2011 16:58 GMT
#3166
On September 09 2011 01:53 chestnutman wrote:
If the protosses in the GSL are not good enough, maybe we should help em out. They could put, let's say, a 70% handicap on terran, it's already implemented in the game so no need for new maps. I think that would be an appropriate response to the amount of whine we get from protosses these day. And who wouldn't love to see those mariners get one shotted by colossi?


Terrans can only hit the A button with their tongue.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
ForeverSleep
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada920 Posts
September 08 2011 17:00 GMT
#3167
On September 09 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:59 Orcinus33ft wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran. I know each race has a few players who dont deserve code S but it seems terran players are just solid lately with a pretty low amount of protoss players who honestly deserve code S. Honestly the only protoss who deserved code S who didnt get it was JYP but fate intervened so that MKP would get 2nd yet again.


I'm a Korean and have been an e-sports fan for a long time, and I think I can safely say that statement is just plain wrong.
There's no reason to think terran pro players have superior skills over protoss or zerg players, perhaps with only exception of MVP, probably was only pro player competitive enough in SC1 leagues when SC2 and GSL launched.
But even MVP didn't "choose" terran in SC2 for any particular reason, he chose it because he was also a terran player in SC1.

I'm not sure why this kind of myth keeps coming.. maybe because David Kim once said some similar remark?
That remark was just lame. Nobody in Korean forum (like playxp) take it seriously.
And nobody thinks JYP was outplayed by those two terran players.
That's not the reason he couldn't make it.
He did everything he could, and he did it pretty well, but just was playing wrong race.

Now everybody with common sense should notice there's something wrong in the game itself when you see 20 players out of 32 are playing certain race.
In elite level, protoss just can't beat terran.

You guys souldn't bash MKP just because he did 1-1-1.
He did what he is supposed to do. To win.
You should bash Blizzard for allowing him to do that.

And worse news?
Upcoming 1.4 patch will be no cure for 1-1-1 nor EMP.


Terran was dominant in bw too. Didn't mean it was imbalanced.

Protoss is more than fine in sc2. If anything they need changes not because of racial imbalance, but because I feel they are boring as hell. I've always felt warp gate mechanic was flawed as well.


so protoss should be changed because your opinion is that they are boring? What about my opinion that tvt is boring to watch for me? because seriously, I dont see the fun in watching tanks sieging and tanks unsieging every single days...
"Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans" - John Lennon
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
September 08 2011 17:11 GMT
#3168
On September 09 2011 01:46 canilsen wrote:
lol, MKP second place in group


forever second. the kong line lives on
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 08 2011 17:14 GMT
#3169
OP is really hard to follow to see who was originally in Code S, who moved up, who fell, etc.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
September 08 2011 17:14 GMT
#3170
On September 09 2011 01:53 chestnutman wrote:
If the protosses in the GSL are not good enough, maybe we should help em out. They could put, let's say, a 70% handicap on terran, it's already implemented in the game so no need for new maps. I think that would be an appropriate response to the amount of whine we get from protosses these day. And who wouldn't love to see those mariners get one shotted by colossi?

This is not whining. MC won the GSL, when Protoss was considered underpowered. It was hit hard since then, almost every patch, something was nerfed one way or another.

Some say MC is now slumping, but I don't see anyone else doing much better. The only difference is, they got further, because they met stronger opponents later on the road.

I can sort of agree, that there are more good Terran players, but to dismiss this whole situation and say, there are no good Toss players is just unbelievable.

Every Toss is looking forward to the new patch, but I'm afraid it might not be enough, because the problem lies much deeper. The whole race seems too rigid, tech switches take too long etc. It's ironic, that the Zerg campaign, which was supposed to save the main campaign race is now supposed to also fix the Toss.

With the influx of Koreans into the foreign tournaments, we might see the same trend we see in the GSL everywhere else, which could severely hurt the whole scene.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 08 2011 17:16 GMT
#3171
On September 09 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:59 Orcinus33ft wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran. I know each race has a few players who dont deserve code S but it seems terran players are just solid lately with a pretty low amount of protoss players who honestly deserve code S. Honestly the only protoss who deserved code S who didnt get it was JYP but fate intervened so that MKP would get 2nd yet again.


I'm a Korean and have been an e-sports fan for a long time, and I think I can safely say that statement is just plain wrong.
There's no reason to think terran pro players have superior skills over protoss or zerg players, perhaps with only exception of MVP, probably was only pro player competitive enough in SC1 leagues when SC2 and GSL launched.
But even MVP didn't "choose" terran in SC2 for any particular reason, he chose it because he was also a terran player in SC1.

I'm not sure why this kind of myth keeps coming.. maybe because David Kim once said some similar remark?
That remark was just lame. Nobody in Korean forum (like playxp) take it seriously.
And nobody thinks JYP was outplayed by those two terran players.
That's not the reason he couldn't make it.
He did everything he could, and he did it pretty well, but just was playing wrong race.

Now everybody with common sense should notice there's something wrong in the game itself when you see 20 players out of 32 are playing certain race.
In elite level, protoss just can't beat terran.

You guys souldn't bash MKP just because he did 1-1-1.
He did what he is supposed to do. To win.
You should bash Blizzard for allowing him to do that.

And worse news?
Upcoming 1.4 patch will be no cure for 1-1-1 nor EMP.


Terran was dominant in bw too. Didn't mean it was imbalanced.

Protoss is more than fine in sc2. If anything they need changes not because of racial imbalance, but because I feel they are boring as hell. I've always felt warp gate mechanic was flawed as well.


One... of the biggest misconceptions. The Bonjwas were predominately Terran. The "top S class players" were fairly spread out amongst the races. The top 30 KESPA rankings for the past year have almost always been 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 for the races.

Besides Flash, Terran hasn't even been dominating BW. It's not a ton of Terrans, Flash is an anomaly.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 17:19:52
September 08 2011 17:18 GMT
#3172
On September 09 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:59 Orcinus33ft wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran. I know each race has a few players who dont deserve code S but it seems terran players are just solid lately with a pretty low amount of protoss players who honestly deserve code S. Honestly the only protoss who deserved code S who didnt get it was JYP but fate intervened so that MKP would get 2nd yet again.


I'm a Korean and have been an e-sports fan for a long time, and I think I can safely say that statement is just plain wrong.
There's no reason to think terran pro players have superior skills over protoss or zerg players, perhaps with only exception of MVP, probably was only pro player competitive enough in SC1 leagues when SC2 and GSL launched.
But even MVP didn't "choose" terran in SC2 for any particular reason, he chose it because he was also a terran player in SC1.

I'm not sure why this kind of myth keeps coming.. maybe because David Kim once said some similar remark?
That remark was just lame. Nobody in Korean forum (like playxp) take it seriously.
And nobody thinks JYP was outplayed by those two terran players.
That's not the reason he couldn't make it.
He did everything he could, and he did it pretty well, but just was playing wrong race.

Now everybody with common sense should notice there's something wrong in the game itself when you see 20 players out of 32 are playing certain race.
In elite level, protoss just can't beat terran.

You guys souldn't bash MKP just because he did 1-1-1.
He did what he is supposed to do. To win.
You should bash Blizzard for allowing him to do that.

And worse news?
Upcoming 1.4 patch will be no cure for 1-1-1 nor EMP.


Terran was dominant in bw too. Didn't mean it was imbalanced.

Protoss is more than fine in sc2. If anything they need changes not because of racial imbalance, but because I feel they are boring as hell. I've always felt warp gate mechanic was flawed as well.


At this point, Zerg is much more dominant then Terran, Flash and Fantasy are the only Terrans in individual leagues who just destroy their opponents, apart from them, its alot of Zergs.

Then again, I do see somewhat of a BW trend, although it is a bit early already!

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hotwings
Profile Joined July 2011
42 Posts
September 08 2011 17:31 GMT
#3173
20 Terrans in Code S. That's a lot of tvt's...

Why do people insist that terran players are stronger in korea? Wouldn't it make more sense to say, terrans are stronger among players who practice alot?
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
September 08 2011 17:47 GMT
#3174
Very happy to see Trickster finally fall down to Code A. Also don't really think much of JYP's and Violet's gimmicky plays.

Taeja and MarineKing fighting!!!
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 08 2011 17:50 GMT
#3175
Woooooooot, Taeja! And welcome back to Code S, MKP! I hope you like TvT!
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
September 08 2011 17:51 GMT
#3176
On September 09 2011 02:50 babylon wrote:
Woooooooot, Taeja! And welcome back to Code S, MKP! I hope you like TvT!

Oh is that who moved on? I could not tell from the OP. Thank you! I am happy about those two players as well.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 08 2011 17:52 GMT
#3177
On September 09 2011 02:51 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 02:50 babylon wrote:
Woooooooot, Taeja! And welcome back to Code S, MKP! I hope you like TvT!

Oh is that who moved on? I could not tell from the OP. Thank you! I am happy about those two players as well.

Yeah, don't worry, I had no idea at first glance who had advanced, so I had to sit down and count through the games. XD

Sad for JYP and Tester, since they came so close. viOlet ... performed as expected for me, hahaha.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 17:57:40
September 08 2011 17:55 GMT
#3178
Sigh so 20 Terrans vs 5 protoss and 7 zergs =/
Tester and MC in Code A
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 17:59 GMT
#3179
On September 09 2011 02:47 Azzur wrote:
Very happy to see Trickster finally fall down to Code A. Also don't really think much of JYP's and Violet's gimmicky plays.

Taeja and MarineKing fighting!!!

why ?

trickster did very well in the up and downs
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 08 2011 18:01 GMT
#3180
On September 09 2011 02:47 Azzur wrote:
Very happy to see Trickster finally fall down to Code A. Also don't really think much of JYP's and Violet's gimmicky plays.

Taeja and MarineKing fighting!!!


I'm sad to hear that you thought JYP's plays were "gimmicky". He experimented with alternative tactics that Protoss players have so frequently been scolded for supposedly shunning, and now that he does, he is considered a "gimmicky" player. Quite frustrating.
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