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powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
August 21 2011 17:52 GMT
#5121
On August 22 2011 02:51 Mithriel wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:51 tuho12345 wrote:
I wish they had dota 2 right now to play. I need a new game to refresh.


dota2 looked amazing, im so pumped to play it too! Have to wait/hope that i get beta! <3

yeah isnt beta coming in the next couple months
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 21 2011 17:52 GMT
#5122
On August 22 2011 02:51 Mithriel wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:51 tuho12345 wrote:
I wish they had dota 2 right now to play. I need a new game to refresh.


dota2 looked amazing, im so pumped to play it too! Have to wait/hope that i get beta! <3


Wrong thread.
Don't mind me
RandomAccount#106470
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5123
--- Nuked ---
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5124
On August 22 2011 02:51 Razuik wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:50 chatuka wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:43 CeriseCherries wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:
wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining.


Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold.
PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans .


Ok I hate all this Puma bashing. He was a badass practice partner in BW, practicing with people like Flash. This guy went to NASL open brackets and the NASL finals and WON. He's pretty damn good.


PUma deserves his bashing after what he did to TSL. that's why i don't root for him. Plus he is a boring personality. MC is so charismatic, but cocky to a fault sometimes. I didn't think he prepared for Puma today. And now Puma is in MC's head... It's going to be REALLY hard to overcome that pyschological edge Puma has over MC IMO

BTW I don't dislike EG. they did what is in their best interests. I think PUMA could've handled the team transfer 100% better than he did.

I think you might be the only person that actually thinks the EG-TSL drama was Puma's fault. Congratulations.

EG skewed it to make it look like it was his fault and dumb people fell for it T.T
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5125
BTW, IEM always has the best music by far. MLG's generic rock sucks!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5126
On August 22 2011 02:40 Snowbear wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:39 Figgy wrote:
This is ridiculous.... Protoss needs their warpgate research changed back and insta-high templar storms back to deal with Zerg and Terran now. There just seems to be nothing they can do.


Top 4 = 3 protosses, indeed, they need a buff.


Look at what is happening at the highest level of the game (GSL). Look at what happened when more Korean terrans were invited (last MLG). When terran is played at a mid-high Euro/NA level toss can deal with it but Korean terrans are smart enough to exploit the 1-1-1 build a lot more and execute it better. Seriously the win statistics for TvP in Korea this month will probably be around 70-30. The game shouldn't be balanced around the mid-high level but around the top level because it represents the highest potential a race can be played at. Korean players don't balance whine lightly and we've seen several speak out against the 1-1-1.

Anyway there's no point in arguing about it- we'll see who's right when the next Blizzard patch comes out and who'll be whining when Blizzard does decide to do something about the 1-1-1.
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5127
whats the song at the end?
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5128
On August 22 2011 02:46 Finrod1 wrote:
PuMa is really really good and i feel kinda bad that he doesn't get the respect he desevers, he is playing to win. So this is the result... ^^


He isn't getting respect because he didn't show off any skill. He did a 1/1/1 twice, which is a boring, incredibly uncreative and undoubtedly too-strong build that is just unenjoyable to watch. Most have no doubt that Puma is a great player - we've seen that in other tournaments (including against MC), but when you use some lame-ass build to win 2 out of 3 games and give probably the worst SC2 finals ever (alongside Nestea and Inca), then you're not going to get a lot of cheers from fans.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
asdads
Profile Joined January 2007
Australia78 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5129
For those who say MC did everything right and terran is IMBA just remember that Mana 2-0 Puma.
Some say the glass is half empty, others say it is half full... i say, are you gonna drink that?
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5130
On August 22 2011 02:52 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:49 Uliking wrote:
lol When Protoss players talk about imbalance topic it's okay.
When Zerg does it's just QQ.


Because to most people we actually know far and a way this is serious imbalance.

so easy to scout bias in this thread.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5131
Thanks to Mr. Bitter, Rotti, TaKe, Kelly, Carmac and everyone behind the scenes for an awesome tournament. (Hope you'll read it)
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5132
On August 22 2011 02:50 MrDudeMan wrote:
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On August 22 2011 02:41 Catchafire2000 wrote:
Not to be a douche, but your pointing out mistakes from a TWO time GSL winner? I'm sure MC knows what he's doing and has the control. Let's not take anything away from Puma here, he's just really good. And MC is really good as well.


A lot of the people in this thread are commenting as if MC played perfectly and still lost. They are quick to forget about things like bad engagements, playing an econ style when you know your opponent is going to all in, losing a warp prism full of hts, getting a whole squad of ht's emp'd, separating a huge group of stalkers from the rest of your army. Ironically, whenever someone all-ins idra in a game, its usually people going on and on about how idra shouldn't drone/engage at that time.


It's not as if Puma didn't make mistakes either.

1st game. Puma did a silly 1/1/1 that got countered hard... MC should have won game won.. but didn't.

2nd game. Puma never was able to harass with marines, He even lost quite a few to marine drops.
Economically Puma never matched MC in game two, in which MC should have won again. Puma got lucky.

3rd game.. MC did something crazy desperate and lost.

It's not if Puma was the amazing player today. It's more like MC screwing things up for himself.
Which could be to his lost psychological confidence that he usually has. Puma is in his head. that is disrupting MC's play.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5133
although this thread became trash I enjoy reading it. Can't you guys just relax and let it be the way it is. Its just a game afterall.
Its grack
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 21 2011 17:53 GMT
#5134
MC must be so sick of PvT right now. Loses NASL finals to PuMa, Loses in his Code S group (all terrans) and now again in IEM finals. Foreigner terrans are no threat, just Koreans.

I wonder what is going on in his head
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5135
On August 22 2011 02:53 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:51 Razuik wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:50 chatuka wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:43 CeriseCherries wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:35 Fig wrote:
wow so sad when the best toss player in the world can't beat 1/1/1. At least there is bound to be a patch soon Always look for the silver lining.


Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold.
PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans .


Ok I hate all this Puma bashing. He was a badass practice partner in BW, practicing with people like Flash. This guy went to NASL open brackets and the NASL finals and WON. He's pretty damn good.


PUma deserves his bashing after what he did to TSL. that's why i don't root for him. Plus he is a boring personality. MC is so charismatic, but cocky to a fault sometimes. I didn't think he prepared for Puma today. And now Puma is in MC's head... It's going to be REALLY hard to overcome that pyschological edge Puma has over MC IMO

BTW I don't dislike EG. they did what is in their best interests. I think PUMA could've handled the team transfer 100% better than he did.

I think you might be the only person that actually thinks the EG-TSL drama was Puma's fault. Congratulations.

EG skewed it to make it look like it was his fault and dumb people fell for it T.T


Shut up.

It was Lee and the Korean netizens that make it seem like Pumas fault.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5136
Good to see Puma is still as strong as ever after joining EG

Too good that whenever the fan favorite loses, the game is imbalanced. Stay free, sc2 fans.
Hoesa
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands75 Posts
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5137
On August 22 2011 02:52 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 02:50 MrDudeMan wrote:
On August 22 2011 02:41 Catchafire2000 wrote:
Not to be a douche, but your pointing out mistakes from a TWO time GSL winner? I'm sure MC knows what he's doing and has the control. Let's not take anything away from Puma here, he's just really good. And MC is really good as well.


A lot of the people in this thread are commenting as if MC played perfectly and still lost. They are quick to forget about things like bad engagements, playing an econ style when you know your opponent is going to all in, losing a warp prism full of hts, getting a whole squad of ht's emp'd, separating a huge group of stalkers from the rest of your army. Ironically, whenever someone all-ins idra in a game, its usually people going on and on about how idra shouldn't drone/engage at that time.

The thing is, he played much better than puma. At one point he was 170 to 130 supply. He stopped 3 drops like nothing. He took down 2 barracks losing little units
He took down a command center turning into orbital. He was 2-2 vs 3-2 at the end. MC played better, its simply because amulet got taken away, if you mismicro even once, your fucked. MC mismicroed his prism, costing him the game, which is absolutely ridiculous cuz he was so far ahead.


THIS
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5138
On August 22 2011 02:52 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Zerg was imbalanced and it was right to discuss it. Now protoss is imbalanced, and it should be discussed. Some people just hate imbalance regardless of race. I know this is a tough concept for some people who have blinders on.



Ok, but how is the "Live Report Thread" the right place to discuss it? You think blizzard has this thread open and is taking notes? No. So go somewhere else.

MC looked sad He takes losses hard. Gz to Puma though.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
merlin101
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland194 Posts
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5139
What was the game just now?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 17:56:58
August 21 2011 17:54 GMT
#5140
On August 22 2011 02:51 Sernyl wrote:
MC does 4gate/stargate/DT rush/proxy, wins a tournament = Best player /world
Puma does 1 1/1/1 and then a hybrid 1/1/1 with a weird timing, wins a tournament = Most hated person.

Yep.Sure is great.


It was no "hybrid 1/1/1", it was just a 1/1/1 that was reacting to the phoenix opening. Don't try to make it seem like something different at least, please

This build is not THAT powerful that you can just blindly continue to execute it regardless of what protoss is doing. Well you can, but you just have to change your unit mix a bit. Korean terrans are human too, they have the right to react to threats.
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