[IEM] Gamescom - Day 5 - Page 255

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Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!

Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne

[special edit: Any more derailing over the fact that someone made a Germany vs Poland WW2 joke after page 21 will be met with a week ban.]

MoonBear

Straight outta Johto18973 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5081

oGs.MC vs EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!

Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns
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oGs.MC 0 vs 0 (T)

EG.PuMa

Puma spawns as Red Terran @1
MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7

1:45
Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate.

2:25
Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas.

3:15
OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes.

4:10
Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC.

5:20
1-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech.

Cloacked Banshees on the way.

6:20
Robo for MC. Nexus finishes.

6:40
2 more rax for Puma.

7:30
Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base.

Obs sees it. Banshee runs.

8:30
Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers.

9:10
MASS of SCVs and Marines coming!

9:45
2 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat.

10:30
Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat.

Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down.

11:50
MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone!

12:25
Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead.

13:00
Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard.

14:10
Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made.

15:10
Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks.

16:00
The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere.

17:20
PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled!

18:00
MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place.

19:00
MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything.

20:00
MC ggs!

(P)

oGs.MC 0 vs 1 (T)

EG.PuMa

Match 2: Terminus RE
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oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG. (T)

PuMa

PuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6
(P)

MC spawns as Red Protoss @12

4:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.

5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.

6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.

7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.

8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.

9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.

9:30
Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too.

10:30
Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything.

11:30
Puma has a drop floating around.

12:00
Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well.

13:00
Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons!

13:30
Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings.

14:30
2-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched!

15:30
Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed.

16:30
Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma.

17:30
Warp Prism making!

Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again.

18:30
Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around.

19:00
MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch.

20:00
MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio.

20:40
Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward!

22:00
MC loses so many units and his 4th.

170-130 supply in Puma's favour!

23:00
Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss!

MC ggs!

(P)

oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG. (T)

PuMa

MC looks pensive.

Match 3: Metalopolis
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oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG. (T)

PuMa

PuMa spawns as Red Terran @3
(P)

MC spawns as Blue Protoss @1

2:00
Both players opening with gas.

3:00
Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base.

4:00
Probe sees fact before it dies.

4:30
STARGATE OPENING!

5:10
1-1-1 for Puma.

6:00
Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma.

6:30
Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything.

7:15
Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out.

7:50
Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped.

8:30
3 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base.

9:40
MC ninja expo to 7.

10:20
Dark Shrine up!

At this point I went to get food. But basically, MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines.

(P)

oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG. (T)

PuMa

Match 4: Tal'Darim Altar
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Not played.
(P)

oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG. (T)

PuMa

Match 5: Shakuras Plateau
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Not played.
(P)

oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG. (T)

PuMa

insaneMicro

Germany761 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5082

MC not happy lol T_T

Doomwish

438 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5083

On August 22 2011 02:38 StarStruck wrote:

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You know what that reminds me of?

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This.

haha classic.. seriously though this crying is making me ROFL so hard right now.

claash

Poland472 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5084

On August 22 2011 02:49 phildp wrote:

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haha my thoughts exactly!

because of his terrible lost a BM-troll-action for sure

TheKefka

Croatia11752 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5085

I hope they have some sense in the head and they don't show a microphone into MC's face right now.

Gargara

Romania150 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5086

On August 22 2011 02:47 Razuik wrote:

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Since when is EMP a DPS spell? I lost all interest in your post after I saw that.

dosen't it take down shield, and shields are part of the hp of protoss units maybe?

Terminal

United Kingdom2109 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5087

On August 22 2011 02:48 Corrosive wrote:

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moonglade? LOL

Yeah, problem? Nobody expected him to do as well as he did.

flowSthead

1065 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5088

On August 22 2011 02:48 Zane wrote:

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He's a sad nerd baller.

Oh my god, this made me laugh so hard.

Hane

France210 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5089

On August 22 2011 02:37 taLbuk wrote:
Remember when zergs were crying 2 months ago about protoss being unbeatable and than they changed up their strategy and playstyle?

Protoss will do the same ,so instead of QQ'ing on forums hopefully they put their effort into finding a solution, but I'm sure the top toss are trying, granted MC just lost, look what Mana did to PuMa in group stage.

you forgot to mention the patch 1.3

XupinatoR

Spain125 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5090

I Hate when they switch to german, why they cant just continue with English?

zul

Germany5427 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5091

lol, Puma gets honored for 1st place and my stream dies again. c`mon techies!!

MrDudeMan

Canada973 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5092

On August 22 2011 02:41 Catchafire2000 wrote:
Not to be a douche, but your pointing out mistakes from a TWO time GSL winner? I'm sure MC knows what he's doing and has the control. Let's not take anything away from Puma here, he's just really good. And MC is really good as well.

A lot of the people in this thread are commenting as if MC played perfectly and still lost. They are quick to forget about things like bad engagements, playing an econ style when you know your opponent is going to all in, losing a warp prism full of hts, getting a whole squad of ht's emp'd, separating a huge group of stalkers from the rest of your army. Ironically, whenever someone all-ins idra in a game, its usually people going on and on about how idra shouldn't drone/engage at that time.

OnlineHero

Denmark647 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5093

On August 22 2011 02:45 city42 wrote:

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MC and Puma both played a lot worse in the group stage, probably due to jetlag. Mana is not at Puma's level.

I'm just saying the matchup is not broken.

Maskedsatyr

Singapore1245 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5094

On August 22 2011 02:49 Uliking wrote:
lol When Protoss players talk about imbalance topic it's okay.
When Zerg does it's just QQ.

Since when is it ok... You aren't the first one to call out us lol.

ellirc

Sweden3286 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5095

On August 22 2011 02:49 Baffels wrote:
Where is PuMas team? I haven't seen anyone besides him

He's even using MC translator what happened?

Uhhhhh.. HuK?

hugedong

United States510 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5096

highlight of the thread is all the people threatening to quit watching sc2 because of 1-1-1 rofl

also mc is fucking pissed

morshed11218

United States5 Posts

August 21 2011 17:50 GMT

#5097

To all the people complaining as to why MC didn't snipe the Raven: First of all that Raven was well protected and always had enough energy for PPD. Even if MC managed to snipe the raven, he would loose almost all his stalkers. Now that would only leave ONE dt and maybe to 2-3 stalkers. You think that 1 DT and 2-3 stalkers would be able to kill 100+ supply of units before puma destroyes all of MC's structure. Puma could easily micro his units aways from the DT.

morningbreeze

United States26 Posts

August 21 2011 17:51 GMT

#5098

On August 22 2011 02:40 WickedBit wrote:

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Im sorry but blizz wont nerf terran. I think we need a new morrow who will just 1/1/1 every game with toss till blizz nerf it or buff toss. I have no idea why all terrans dont do it every game. Is it a morality thing ? Clearly here is a build when decently executed will beat all tosses in the world and there is no good response and doesnt require toss to be 100 times better than terran to hold.
PuMA cheesed his way to final win and people are saying he is good ? I saw nothing in this game from Puma that any terran in the world wont be capable off. He is just a random code B scrub who has trouble in korea since he sucks at TvT since everyone is a terran there. Let me see him beet MVP or bomber and I'll agree he is good. All he did is come out of korea to own non koreans

I don't think Puma 1/1/1'd MC in the NASL finals. In fact, I remember him playing some pretty beastly games. Am I wrong? I kind of agree with your point about the 1/1/1's potency, but come on... you really think Flash's practice partner is a scrub?

The 1/1/1 looks unbeatable right now. Just like every other powerful build that's ever been discovered. And I agree that if a serious response isn't developed, it will constitute a serious imbalance. But you know full well there's going to be a delay between problem and solution. Abusive builds have come and gone, but pros can't be blamed for using them, and so far the vast majority of them have been solved through innovation, not patches.