EPT[IEM] Gamescom - Day 4 - Page 5
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Please keep the following things out of this topic: -Caster/Stream/player bashing; -Imbalance/race whine; -LoL vs the world arguments; -'Omfg cant believe people aren't watching SPL finals' comments; -any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments. Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games! Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
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JustinMartin
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 20 2011 05:26 PeZuY wrote: I heard that protoss is UP at the moment:o back to the topic. GoGo Socke! Don't worry no one will remember this tournament once a Protoss loses somewhere else. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:32 fraktoasters wrote: Don't worry no one will remember this tournament once a Protoss loses somewhere else. Protoss does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play Protoss does well in an EU tournament, among those Protosses is Korea's best Protoss MC, who is also going to the Up/Downs in the GSL Yeah... all this shows is that Protoss can do pretty well outside of Korea - outside the highest level of play. So what? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:44 HolyArrow wrote: Protoss does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play Protoss does well in an EU tournament, among those Protosses is Korea's best Protoss MC, who is also going to the Up/Downs in the GSL Yeah... all this shows is that Protoss can do pretty well outside of Korea - outside the highest level of play. So what? Everyone can use numbers to back whatever they want. Let me have a go. Zerg does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play. There are even less Zergs in Code S ro16 than Protoss. And there isn't even a zerg in the top 4 of IEM. | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
Socke might upset Puma, he has excellent drop defense and defensive style | ||
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:49 fraktoasters wrote: Everyone can use numbers to back whatever they want. Let me have a go. Zerg does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play. There are even less Zergs in Code S ro16 than Protoss. And there isn't even a zerg in the top 4 of IEM. everyone in korea at the moment openly admits protoss are struggling. the thing with zerg is not many ppl play it in korea compared to terran, and more importantly very few people have mastered it yet. Nestea is at the highest understanding of zerg play, and he rapes everyone. So clearly zerg is not underpowered or whatever you are trying to hint at, it is just difficult to play. I dont think protoss are necessarily underpowered, but they need someone to come along and figure out a metagame shift because they are struggling badly at the moment at the very highest level. | ||
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Lokj
Netherlands439 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:49 fraktoasters wrote: Everyone can use numbers to back whatever they want. Let me have a go. Zerg does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play. There are even less Zergs in Code S ro16 than Protoss. And there isn't even a zerg in the top 4 of IEM. Nice. Last season's Code S Finals were a ZvZ? Now, can we stop the race discussion and start developing a real LR thread? Thank you  | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:57 UnholyRai wrote: everyone in korea at the moment openly admits protoss are struggling. the thing with zerg is not many ppl play it in korea compared to terran, and more importantly very few people have mastered it yet. Nestea is at the highest understanding of zerg play, and he rapes everyone. So clearly zerg is not underpowered or whatever you are trying to hint at, it is just difficult to play. I dont think protoss are necessarily underpowered, but they need someone to come along and figure out a metagame shift because they are struggling badly at the moment at the very highest level. See I don't actually think Zerg is underpowered; I was just saying anyone can always convince themselves that race X is doing worse than other races, which is actually what I was trying to hint at. | ||
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
Should be good with MC in better practice. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 20 2011 08:06 iYiYi wrote: MC vs Puma finals rematch lol. Should be good with MC in better practice. Socke and MaNa would like to speak with you.  | ||
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Sabu113
United States11112 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:32 fraktoasters wrote: Don't worry no one will remember this tournament once a Protoss loses somewhere else. That was fast. Nani Huk. Now compare them to the rest of the foreign scene. Yeah. Foreign Toss are excellent and are a cut better than any other race. Mana has been playing very well lately and socke has always had lovely control. Zergs are very good but it's notable that the top foreign zergs are marked by the decision to leave korea because they do not like mass gaming regimes. Foreign terrans all have bits of play. Qxc has his gorgeous drop play. Thorzain has his ingenious build orders and straight up fights. Fenix, Major, and inneumerable other decent foreign terrans are just that Decent but not particularaly special. Very few complete foreign terrans with tiptop control and multitasking like in korea where emp and simultaneous drops (besides 1/1/1) are central to cutting a good toss down. Bleh. We should be hyping some amazing games. Time to see if Puma was a one hit wonder. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 20 2011 07:49 fraktoasters wrote: Everyone can use numbers to back whatever they want. Let me have a go. Zerg does badly in Korea, at the highest level of play. There are even less Zergs in Code S ro16 than Protoss. And there isn't even a zerg in the top 4 of IEM. The problem with your generalization is that my numbers are way more rigorous than yours. You're looking at immediate numbers (the amount of Zergs in Code S Ro16 at the moment? The amount of Zergs in top 4 of IEM? Please.) - I'm looking at overall stats. Evidence: 1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252455 2. http://i.imgur.com/bdP2e.png Numbers are not simply numbers. That's a huge generalization that discounts the value numbers have in illustrating trends. When you use immediate numbers, they have no value because they don't show any overall trends. The numbers I used do indeed show overall trends, and thus are far more valuable than your numbers. Anyway, the only point I wanted to make was to argue that looking at results in EU doesn't indicate as much about balance as results in KR does (the reason for all the Protoss whine is due to the results in KR - you can't use EU results to discount that). I got pulled off course by a terrible generalization about the value of numbers that I couldn't help but address. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
3/4 Toss in Semi  . Anyways hoping for some gg's and hope Puma wins . A mirror final wouldn't be so fun ^^ | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 20 2011 08:09 StarStruck wrote: Socke and MaNa would like to speak with you. That's cool, they'll have plenty of time for it after they lose in the semis. :D | ||
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