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finals are tomorrow. as for time im not sure
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MC is such a fucking nerdballer
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ESL.TV says finals at 17:30 CEST, 3rd place at 14:40 (but the IEM schedule isn't really reliable, so expect +30 to 60min ;-)
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Russian Federation1849 Posts
a slightest idea when and where ra vs puma will be streamed?
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On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure.
Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league.
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On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league.
Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism.
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On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism.
It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that?
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On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that?
Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2.
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On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure.
That's like saying winning a GSL is "one win." Puma went through the OPEN BRACKET and rolled through the best that EU and NA have to offer, then crushed his way through the invited people in the pools, and ultimtately took down Min Chul.
If any NA player accomplished that feat I think he/she would automatically become one of the top 2 NA players, period. Has any NA player except IdrA ever even taken two games off of MC, much less won a Bo7?
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anyone else hyped as fuck for puma vs mc rematch? they produced one of the best series in sc2 history. you know mc wants some fucking revenge. why isn't anyone even talking about the finals?!?!?!?!
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On August 21 2011 01:58 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that? Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2.
And yet, Grubby, Moon, Lyn etc. all get hyped into oblivion, why shouldn't Puma get the same treatment?
Saying BW skills have nothing to do with Starcraft 2 is just wrong.
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On August 21 2011 01:58 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that? Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2.
WC3 and SC2 are complete different games. SC and SC2 are not completely different games, SC2 is sequel of SC, in case you didn't notice.
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On August 21 2011 02:01 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 01:58 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that? Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2. WC3 and SC2 are complete different games. SC and SC2 are not completely different games, SC2 is sequel of SC, in case you didn't notice.
The three best sc2 players were horrible in sc1. Obviously there isn't a direct skill transfer and your BW achievements really say nothing about how well you're gonna do in SC2.
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Well that went about as expected. NASL rematch incoming! Go Go Go MC/Puma!
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I don't really think their BW histories matter here, but saying Puma isn't accomplished because he's only one 1 major tournament is rubbish. That's like saying MKP, MMA, Polt, Bomber, Sen...etc aren't accomplished SC2 players because of their lack of major (single or multiple) wins. I think you're confusing the word accomplished with something else.
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On August 21 2011 02:04 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 02:01 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:58 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:On August 21 2011 00:23 Telcontar wrote:
What's wrong with KR vs KR as long it promises the best Starcraft possible? Would you not tune into Barca vs Real Madrid just because it's Spain vs Spain? or MVP vs Nestea? or Flash vs Jaedong? Maybe you guys are frustrated that the non-koreans flopped when push came to shove, but that shouldn't really deter you from tuning into a final with 2 worthy players.
Oh well, it's only your loss if you don't watch it. I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation. 3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals. MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate. If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that? Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2. WC3 and SC2 are complete different games. SC and SC2 are not completely different games, SC2 is sequel of SC, in case you didn't notice. The three best sc2 players were horrible in sc1. Obviously there isn't a direct skill transfer and you're BW achievements really say nothing about how well you're gonna do in SC2.
MVP and Nestea are not horrible, they are pretty decent. MVP sometimes play ACE match for his team. Nestea is very good 2v2 player. Only MC sucks. And most players better than MVP never came to SC2. In BW, July, boxer, and NADA are all worse than MVP in 2010.
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Just watched the replays and I must say wow those games weren't even close. Yet another tournament swept by a Korean.
Also I don't get why some people are downplaying Puma's accomplishments. They may not be as impressive as MC's but still in the terms of skill he's leagues ahead of the best foreigners so the finals should be pretty entertaining. And that's what matters most right? Stop being butthurt that your favourite player got knocked out and just enjoy the game.
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Mc's fist pump after dat pylon kill = complete sex.
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On August 21 2011 02:09 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 02:04 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 02:01 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:58 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:54 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:52 Jinivus wrote:On August 21 2011 01:46 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:On August 21 2011 01:13 justinpal wrote:On August 21 2011 01:06 Telcontar wrote:On August 21 2011 00:36 niteReloaded wrote:
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I watch Barca vs Real but I don't watch Real vs Villareal, and that match would better describe the current situation.
3 Koreans came (Select doesn't count) to the event, 2 of them are in the finals.
MC is accomplished, but Puma isn't, so Barca vs Real analogy doesn't relate.
If MVP and Nestea came, and made the finals, I bet we wouldn't see as many people complaining about KvK finals. Sure you can argue that Puma is just as good but unaccomplished because of lack of luck, but you know yourself accomplishments have their weight in situations like this. Puma isn't accompolished? I'll admit he hasn't really shown us what he can do in the GSL, but you should remember how frigging hard it is to just qualify for Code A. Even players like MMA, DRG, and Bomber had a very difficult time getting into the GSL proper, and we all knew how beastly they were. Also, PUMA FRIGGING WON THE FIRST NASL. How the fuck is that not a huge accomplishment? He rampaged through the open tournament, and stormed through the LAN finals to win a very closely contested grand finals vs MC, who was and still is, considered the best protoss in the world. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT? You either have a short memory, or you're purposefully short-selling Puma just to promote your argument. Being accomplished means a lot more than one win. I'm pretty sure. Being a decent BW pro is already a big accomplishment. MC can't even keep his head above water in BW league. Broodwar achievements have no relevance here. At all. Be more subtle with your BW elitism. It is relevent. And what's the point of being subtle on that? Actually no it's completely irrelevant since they are completely different games. It's like saying Grubby has more accomplishments in WC3 so obviously he's accomplished than thorzain in sc2. WC3 and SC2 are complete different games. SC and SC2 are not completely different games, SC2 is sequel of SC, in case you didn't notice. The three best sc2 players were horrible in sc1. Obviously there isn't a direct skill transfer and you're BW achievements really say nothing about how well you're gonna do in SC2. MVP and Nestea are not horrible, they are pretty decent. MVP sometimes play ACE match for his team. Nestea is very good 2v2 player. Only MC sucks. And most players better than MVP never came to SC2. In BW, July, boxer, and NADA are all worse than MVP in 2010.
34 percent winrate is pretty horrible. 2v2 surely doesn't have any relevance here. Sure maybe having some better broodwar experience could help but theres nothing to suggest it's really that much of a factor.
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Puma vs MC rematch!!! Excited, but kind of disappointing for the foreigners not being able to take even a single game off of them
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