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Hey guys, be happy there is an awesome tournament with awesome prize money for a lot of good teams out there. Stop hating, its enough already. |
Doesnt give a damn about liquid isent in
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Please stop bringing up TL and trying to make more drama out of it.
The league looks awesome and should be great, and I love that we get to see 2v2.
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On August 08 2011 03:26 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:17 garlicface wrote:On August 08 2011 03:13 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 02:50 Twoinches wrote:On August 08 2011 02:41 tsuxiit wrote: Why doesn't TL stop acting childish bullshit and just accept the EG-rules? It's their tournament. You don't think the onus is on the tournament organizer to a. ensure fair play conditions for the competitors or b. accommodate a major, community-backed team's request to achieve those fair play conditions? Unless I misunderstand the situation or its changed from last season, TL wants alternating servers, or at least some kind of Korean server accommodation in where it plays its games. EG wants all games played on the North America server. TL then refuses to play. If this happened one season, sure, I'd give EG the benefit of the doubt and call it an unfortunate situation. But now we're at a point where SC2's international infrastructure has improved tremendously. Koreans compete in every major league and there is a plurality of foreign server accounts available to all major tournament organizers, teams, and players. Not to mention EG itself has just recruited a fucking player from Korea to play as a part of their team! I don't understand how you can reconcile that with it's simultaneous refusal to cater AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to competitors outside of North America, even (or especially) when they represent the American community? THAT'S why I call this childish PR "don't-blink" bullshit. No, it's their event. You cant bend to all parties involved. If I want to start a tournament for players who's names only start in Q, im not going to be like ok you A players and D players can play to. It's weird to me that ALL the other teams (who also have foreign non us players) did not put up a big stink about this and complied, but TL did. everyone but Tl was like "ok its your event" and there supposed to bend to TL? OK, but I think all of that is bullshit. Why can they not they bend their rules? What god of Starcraft descended from the heavens and said, "EG, YOU ARE THE ALMIGHTY ARBITRATOR OF STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT RULES, AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE SHAN'T ACCOMMODATE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FIND FAULT IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT WAYS"? It's idiotic that we blindly accept EG's conditions which today are nothing if not completely arbitrary. Why can't TL comply? Are they the almighty arbitrator of SC rules? See how what you said can be flipped on its head? Because it WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM IN THE TOURNAMENT. The rules are awful, and AUTOMATICALLY disadvantage anyone who doesn't live in North America or Europe. How can you even remotely expect them to accept such a stupidly unfair condition? "Oh, if you play in our tournament, all your units will respond half a second after you tell them to. Just so you know. And it's 100% your problem if you don't accept our rules. SUP, PEACE OUT, -EG"
Other teams have no problem agreeing to it. Besides, you are saying the entire tournament should be flipped because they have two members in korea? Oh, and it is 100% someone else problem if they don't agree to the rules. I really don't know where you get your logic from.. Every tournament has rules that the players must agree to... If they aren't agreeable for the player they simply don't play, this is no different.
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Looking forward to this event, some strong teams in it and Team events usually bring a lot interesting games
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EG MCSL are awesome, sad to see that TL and Dignitas aren't participating though. Keep up the good work
Gogo Mouz, ThorZain, Morrow fightiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!
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On August 08 2011 03:34 DrOmni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:26 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 03:17 garlicface wrote:On August 08 2011 03:13 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 02:50 Twoinches wrote:On August 08 2011 02:41 tsuxiit wrote: Why doesn't TL stop acting childish bullshit and just accept the EG-rules? It's their tournament. You don't think the onus is on the tournament organizer to a. ensure fair play conditions for the competitors or b. accommodate a major, community-backed team's request to achieve those fair play conditions? Unless I misunderstand the situation or its changed from last season, TL wants alternating servers, or at least some kind of Korean server accommodation in where it plays its games. EG wants all games played on the North America server. TL then refuses to play. If this happened one season, sure, I'd give EG the benefit of the doubt and call it an unfortunate situation. But now we're at a point where SC2's international infrastructure has improved tremendously. Koreans compete in every major league and there is a plurality of foreign server accounts available to all major tournament organizers, teams, and players. Not to mention EG itself has just recruited a fucking player from Korea to play as a part of their team! I don't understand how you can reconcile that with it's simultaneous refusal to cater AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to competitors outside of North America, even (or especially) when they represent the American community? THAT'S why I call this childish PR "don't-blink" bullshit. No, it's their event. You cant bend to all parties involved. If I want to start a tournament for players who's names only start in Q, im not going to be like ok you A players and D players can play to. It's weird to me that ALL the other teams (who also have foreign non us players) did not put up a big stink about this and complied, but TL did. everyone but Tl was like "ok its your event" and there supposed to bend to TL? OK, but I think all of that is bullshit. Why can they not they bend their rules? What god of Starcraft descended from the heavens and said, "EG, YOU ARE THE ALMIGHTY ARBITRATOR OF STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT RULES, AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE SHAN'T ACCOMMODATE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FIND FAULT IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT WAYS"? It's idiotic that we blindly accept EG's conditions which today are nothing if not completely arbitrary. Why can't TL comply? Are they the almighty arbitrator of SC rules? See how what you said can be flipped on its head? Because it WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM IN THE TOURNAMENT. The rules are awful, and AUTOMATICALLY disadvantage anyone who doesn't live in North America or Europe. How can you even remotely expect them to accept such a stupidly unfair condition? "Oh, if you play in our tournament, all your units will respond half a second after you tell them to. Just so you know. And it's 100% your problem if you don't accept our rules. SUP, PEACE OUT, -EG" Other teams have no problem agreeing to it. Besides, you are saying the entire tournament should be flipped because they have two members in korea? Oh, and it is 100% someone else problem if they don't agree to the rules. I really don't know where you get your logic from.. Every tournament has rules that the players must agree to... If they aren't agreeable for the player they simply don't play, this is no different.
Ah yes, because there was never a tournament with poor rules. Nor was there ever a tournament that changed its rules because they were godawful.
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On August 08 2011 03:26 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:17 garlicface wrote:On August 08 2011 03:13 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 02:50 Twoinches wrote:On August 08 2011 02:41 tsuxiit wrote: Why doesn't TL stop acting childish bullshit and just accept the EG-rules? It's their tournament. You don't think the onus is on the tournament organizer to a. ensure fair play conditions for the competitors or b. accommodate a major, community-backed team's request to achieve those fair play conditions? Unless I misunderstand the situation or its changed from last season, TL wants alternating servers, or at least some kind of Korean server accommodation in where it plays its games. EG wants all games played on the North America server. TL then refuses to play. If this happened one season, sure, I'd give EG the benefit of the doubt and call it an unfortunate situation. But now we're at a point where SC2's international infrastructure has improved tremendously. Koreans compete in every major league and there is a plurality of foreign server accounts available to all major tournament organizers, teams, and players. Not to mention EG itself has just recruited a fucking player from Korea to play as a part of their team! I don't understand how you can reconcile that with it's simultaneous refusal to cater AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to competitors outside of North America, even (or especially) when they represent the American community? THAT'S why I call this childish PR "don't-blink" bullshit. No, it's their event. You cant bend to all parties involved. If I want to start a tournament for players who's names only start in Q, im not going to be like ok you A players and D players can play to. It's weird to me that ALL the other teams (who also have foreign non us players) did not put up a big stink about this and complied, but TL did. everyone but Tl was like "ok its your event" and there supposed to bend to TL? OK, but I think all of that is bullshit. Why can they not they bend their rules? What god of Starcraft descended from the heavens and said, "EG, YOU ARE THE ALMIGHTY ARBITRATOR OF STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT RULES, AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE SHAN'T ACCOMMODATE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FIND FAULT IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT WAYS"? It's idiotic that we blindly accept EG's conditions which today are nothing if not completely arbitrary. Why can't TL comply? Are they the almighty arbitrator of SC rules? See how what you said can be flipped on its head? Because it WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM IN THE TOURNAMENT. The rules are awful, and AUTOMATICALLY disadvantage anyone who doesn't live in North America or Europe. How can you even remotely expect them to accept such a stupidly unfair condition? "Oh, if you play in our tournament, all your units will respond half a second after you tell them to. Just so you know. And it's 100% your problem if you don't accept our rules. SUP, PEACE OUT, -EG"
EG made the league, EG made the rules. Why should they care if someone doesn't want to participate? There are obviously other teams that would rather fight for that spot, so let them do that. Of course it's your problem if you accept the rules, which they did not, so that's the end of story. It's pretty simple, really.
I'm a huge EG hater but you are seriously just making no sense at all. Comply with the people who make the league, or don't play in the league. That is all.
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On August 08 2011 03:35 Pingoo wrote:EG MCSL are awesome, sad to see that TL and Dignitas aren't participating though. Keep up the good work Gogo Mouz, ThorZain, Morrow fightiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!
People have reading comprehension problems. Dignitas is playing...
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On August 08 2011 03:35 Pingoo wrote:EG MCSL are awesome, sad to see that TL and Dignitas aren't participating though. Keep up the good work Gogo Mouz, ThorZain, Morrow fightiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!
Dignitas is participating, they are listed right on the original post.
Where has it been said that they aren't participating?
There is so much misinformation thread.
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Russian Federation138 Posts
ppl nowadays are complaining about everything )
great league, poor casting time for russia 
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On August 08 2011 03:41 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:34 DrOmni wrote:On August 08 2011 03:26 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 03:17 garlicface wrote:On August 08 2011 03:13 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 02:50 Twoinches wrote:On August 08 2011 02:41 tsuxiit wrote: Why doesn't TL stop acting childish bullshit and just accept the EG-rules? It's their tournament. You don't think the onus is on the tournament organizer to a. ensure fair play conditions for the competitors or b. accommodate a major, community-backed team's request to achieve those fair play conditions? Unless I misunderstand the situation or its changed from last season, TL wants alternating servers, or at least some kind of Korean server accommodation in where it plays its games. EG wants all games played on the North America server. TL then refuses to play. If this happened one season, sure, I'd give EG the benefit of the doubt and call it an unfortunate situation. But now we're at a point where SC2's international infrastructure has improved tremendously. Koreans compete in every major league and there is a plurality of foreign server accounts available to all major tournament organizers, teams, and players. Not to mention EG itself has just recruited a fucking player from Korea to play as a part of their team! I don't understand how you can reconcile that with it's simultaneous refusal to cater AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to competitors outside of North America, even (or especially) when they represent the American community? THAT'S why I call this childish PR "don't-blink" bullshit. No, it's their event. You cant bend to all parties involved. If I want to start a tournament for players who's names only start in Q, im not going to be like ok you A players and D players can play to. It's weird to me that ALL the other teams (who also have foreign non us players) did not put up a big stink about this and complied, but TL did. everyone but Tl was like "ok its your event" and there supposed to bend to TL? OK, but I think all of that is bullshit. Why can they not they bend their rules? What god of Starcraft descended from the heavens and said, "EG, YOU ARE THE ALMIGHTY ARBITRATOR OF STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT RULES, AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE SHAN'T ACCOMMODATE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FIND FAULT IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT WAYS"? It's idiotic that we blindly accept EG's conditions which today are nothing if not completely arbitrary. Why can't TL comply? Are they the almighty arbitrator of SC rules? See how what you said can be flipped on its head? Because it WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM IN THE TOURNAMENT. The rules are awful, and AUTOMATICALLY disadvantage anyone who doesn't live in North America or Europe. How can you even remotely expect them to accept such a stupidly unfair condition? "Oh, if you play in our tournament, all your units will respond half a second after you tell them to. Just so you know. And it's 100% your problem if you don't accept our rules. SUP, PEACE OUT, -EG" Other teams have no problem agreeing to it. Besides, you are saying the entire tournament should be flipped because they have two members in korea? Oh, and it is 100% someone else problem if they don't agree to the rules. I really don't know where you get your logic from.. Every tournament has rules that the players must agree to... If they aren't agreeable for the player they simply don't play, this is no different. Ah yes, because there was never a tournament with poor rules. Nor was there ever a tournament that changed its rules because they were godawful.
This tournament doesn't have poor rules.. You simply disagree with them because TL does and the only rule they complained about was no cross server rules for teams like them that have many players in other countries.
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On August 08 2011 03:52 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Biggest problem for me- no imba.FXOpen , they killed team Empire in latest leagues, and having Brat_Ok, Lowely and Strelok are more than a match for the rest
They got an invitation to the qualifiers and failed to make it out...
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On August 08 2011 03:49 DrOmni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:41 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 03:34 DrOmni wrote:On August 08 2011 03:26 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 03:17 garlicface wrote:On August 08 2011 03:13 tsuxiit wrote:On August 08 2011 02:50 Twoinches wrote:On August 08 2011 02:41 tsuxiit wrote: Why doesn't TL stop acting childish bullshit and just accept the EG-rules? It's their tournament. You don't think the onus is on the tournament organizer to a. ensure fair play conditions for the competitors or b. accommodate a major, community-backed team's request to achieve those fair play conditions? Unless I misunderstand the situation or its changed from last season, TL wants alternating servers, or at least some kind of Korean server accommodation in where it plays its games. EG wants all games played on the North America server. TL then refuses to play. If this happened one season, sure, I'd give EG the benefit of the doubt and call it an unfortunate situation. But now we're at a point where SC2's international infrastructure has improved tremendously. Koreans compete in every major league and there is a plurality of foreign server accounts available to all major tournament organizers, teams, and players. Not to mention EG itself has just recruited a fucking player from Korea to play as a part of their team! I don't understand how you can reconcile that with it's simultaneous refusal to cater AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to competitors outside of North America, even (or especially) when they represent the American community? THAT'S why I call this childish PR "don't-blink" bullshit. No, it's their event. You cant bend to all parties involved. If I want to start a tournament for players who's names only start in Q, im not going to be like ok you A players and D players can play to. It's weird to me that ALL the other teams (who also have foreign non us players) did not put up a big stink about this and complied, but TL did. everyone but Tl was like "ok its your event" and there supposed to bend to TL? OK, but I think all of that is bullshit. Why can they not they bend their rules? What god of Starcraft descended from the heavens and said, "EG, YOU ARE THE ALMIGHTY ARBITRATOR OF STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT RULES, AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN THAT WE SHAN'T ACCOMMODATE INTERNATIONAL COMPETITORS, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FIND FAULT IN YOUR OMNIPOTENT WAYS"? It's idiotic that we blindly accept EG's conditions which today are nothing if not completely arbitrary. Why can't TL comply? Are they the almighty arbitrator of SC rules? See how what you said can be flipped on its head? Because it WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO THEM IN THE TOURNAMENT. The rules are awful, and AUTOMATICALLY disadvantage anyone who doesn't live in North America or Europe. How can you even remotely expect them to accept such a stupidly unfair condition? "Oh, if you play in our tournament, all your units will respond half a second after you tell them to. Just so you know. And it's 100% your problem if you don't accept our rules. SUP, PEACE OUT, -EG" Other teams have no problem agreeing to it. Besides, you are saying the entire tournament should be flipped because they have two members in korea? Oh, and it is 100% someone else problem if they don't agree to the rules. I really don't know where you get your logic from.. Every tournament has rules that the players must agree to... If they aren't agreeable for the player they simply don't play, this is no different. Ah yes, because there was never a tournament with poor rules. Nor was there ever a tournament that changed its rules because they were godawful. This tournament doesn't have poor rules.. You simply disagree with them because TL does and the only rule they complained about was no cross server rules for teams like them that have many players in other countries.
The rules are objectively unfair, the direct consequence is that some players will have a significant advantage over the others in all 3 games of a BO3.
Given that EG aren't the only online cup organizer that have unfair rules (IPL is the same, as were NASL qualifiers), but that doesn't make it right.
NA online tournament organizers in general seem to be taking too much for granted. Probably not the best idea in the long run, but oh well.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
On August 08 2011 03:53 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 03:52 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Biggest problem for me- no imba.FXOpen , they killed team Empire in latest leagues, and having Brat_Ok, Lowely and Strelok are more than a match for the rest They got an invitation to the qualifiers and failed to make it out...
Yeah i know, its sad considering how they have been doing lately (i believe they failed to make it cause it was before Brat_Oks transfer)
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On August 07 2011 13:28 LesPhoques wrote:
Won't watch this because:
1. There is no Team Liquid.
2. There are no Korean teams.
3. Fnatic/Dignitas fiasco.
Good luck on Season 6.
who cares.
CW always fun, plus Wheat is a baller^^
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the rules cant be unfair because their not forcing anyone to these rules, if you don't want to play then don't play. they didn't hold guns to any of these teams heads and demanded they play. they set up a rule set, and many MANY teams all tried to qualify just because 1 team says nope change the rules, does it make it "unfair". I love team TL but I cant imagine there loyal supporters being this stupid.
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Def rooting for Dignitas or EG to win
Fighting!
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On August 08 2011 04:07 JerKy wrote:
Def rooting for Dignitas or EG to win
Fighting!
sadly with EG performances of late it is very likely for them not to make playoffs
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Go Dignitas!!!
(The fact that TL is not participating is not relevant and has been discussed many times.)
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