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On August 02 2011 22:15 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 21:43 ZeromuS wrote:On August 02 2011 21:40 UnholyRai wrote:On August 02 2011 21:38 chocopaw wrote:
I could vomit, 4/6 terrans. -_- terran is by far the most popular race in korea, what did you expect? Yeah its kinda sad to see so many Terrans but theres nothing you can do when Korean Terrans are just so damn good. I mean look at the models and heroes. Who does protoss have? MC. Zerg? Nestea. Terran: MVP Boxer MMA (kinda new to the scene) MKP Polt the list goes on. And these are SC2 heroes that people can look to emulate while playing sc2. Saying nothing of the BW Terrans that had ppl play terran before they switched to sc2. If YellOw shows awesome games and plays a lot then you will see more Zerg players in the K scene I am sure. If you're gonna include Boxer, MMA, and MKP then you have to include Alicia/Puzzle for Protoss and Zenio/Coca/Losira for Zerg. You can't just pick the top player for zerg and protoss and then list a bunch of high level terrans to push your argument. Either list all the high level players of each race, or be realistic and list only the very top tier players from each race. In the latter's case it'd be Protoss: MC Zerg: Nestea Terran: MVP
if we include top from every race you get
protoss
mc
alicia
puzzle
zerg
nestea
losira
coca
drg
terran
mvp
mkp(sluming though)
nada
byun
bomber
polt
mma
puma
top
puma and top are a bit iffy but so is coca for zerg and you can probably throw on a few more iffy terrans as well.
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On August 02 2011 22:23 beat farm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:15 Kiyo. wrote:On August 02 2011 21:43 ZeromuS wrote:On August 02 2011 21:40 UnholyRai wrote:On August 02 2011 21:38 chocopaw wrote:
I could vomit, 4/6 terrans. -_- terran is by far the most popular race in korea, what did you expect? Yeah its kinda sad to see so many Terrans but theres nothing you can do when Korean Terrans are just so damn good. I mean look at the models and heroes. Who does protoss have? MC. Zerg? Nestea. Terran: MVP Boxer MMA (kinda new to the scene) MKP Polt the list goes on. And these are SC2 heroes that people can look to emulate while playing sc2. Saying nothing of the BW Terrans that had ppl play terran before they switched to sc2. If YellOw shows awesome games and plays a lot then you will see more Zerg players in the K scene I am sure. If you're gonna include Boxer, MMA, and MKP then you have to include Alicia/Puzzle for Protoss and Zenio/Coca/Losira for Zerg. You can't just pick the top player for zerg and protoss and then list a bunch of high level terrans to push your argument. Either list all the high level players of each race, or be realistic and list only the very top tier players from each race. In the latter's case it'd be Protoss: MC Zerg: Nestea Terran: MVP if we include top from every race you get protoss mc alicia puzzle zerg nestea losira coca drg terran mvp mkp(sluming though) nada byun bomber polt mma puma top puma and top are a bit iffy but so is coca for zerg and you can probably throw on a few more iffy terrans as well.
Lack of July disappoints me...
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On August 02 2011 22:01 Awesomeness wrote:
Out:
FXOGuMiho
NSHoSeosan
MvPFinale
ZeNEXLine (aka Suhoshin)
IMSeed
oGsHero
oGsTheStC
MvPGuineaPig
ST.Sound
BBoongBBoongPrime.WE
ST.Superstar
ST.Parting
NSHoSeoseal
ZeNEXcOre
SlayerS_Frozen
FOXMoon
CreatorPrime.WE
oGsCezanne
MvPSniper
A tournament with all this guys would still produce a higher quality of games compared to any foreigner-only event. The amount of talent in Korea is just ridiculous.
MvPSniper? Didnt he win against Inori?
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On August 02 2011 22:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
theBest qualified...??? Whaaaa....???
Looking forward to his improved and hopefully new play... I guess?
I didn't see all of his games today, but he at least didn't do any horrendous banshee control from what I saw.
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Before, I thought that BoxeR had a very slim chance of getting back to Code A. But after his results in MLG Anaheim I now feel he has a very strong chance to get into Code A. 
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On August 02 2011 22:20 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. oh ok, that makes sense then
I might add that this is how it was some months ago. GOM might have changed their rules.
On August 02 2011 22:20 Lyter wrote:
the road to korea awarded the spot in code a, its not just the trip
On August 02 2011 22:22 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. It wasn't on this case. As far as I know, the prize of the tournament, a Code A spot, was decided before Sase won, that's the whole point of naming it Road to Korea. Gom made no decision regarding Sase, they made the decision of having a tournament where the winner gets the spot. I'm not sure if the direct seeds are still valid after the partnership with MLG, making it a lot easier for foreigners to enter Code A anyway.
I don't think you are correct. I do remember the tournaments being marketed as the prize being given for the trip and a chance to compete in the code A qualifiers (what it said initially on the website). The question of it being a direct seed was asked during this tournament and as far as I know there wasn't any real confirmation either way. And Gom didn't arrange the tournament Rakaka did, and while it's possible they had some kind of agreement it doesn't seem like it was finalized at the beginning at least. This could possible be explained with that there wasn't any date of when the winning player would go making it hard for them to promise a seed when they didn't know the format of future gsl.
Someone correct me if I remember this wrong.
Edit: This is from the tournament organizers after Sase had won the final:
http://www.rakaka.se/?do=logitech
Korearesa och GSL-huset
Vinnaren SaSe blev direkt efter vinsten intervjuad av Rakaka och självklart var det en mycket nöjd vinnare som framförallt såg framemot att få kvalitativ träning. SaSe kommer alltså åka under sommaren till Korea och bo i GSL-huset när det passar vår vinnare bäst. Förutom det finns det goda chanser att han kan bli belönad med Code A och kunna delta i en Code A-turnering, detta är dock upp till GSL.
Google translate:
Korea Travel and GSL-house
The winner SaSe was right after profit interviewed by Rakaka and of course it was a very happy winner, who especially looked forward to receiving quality training. SaSe will then go over the summer to Korea and stay in the GSL-house when it suits our winners best. Beyond that there are good chances that he may be rewarded with Code A and able to participate in a Code-A tournament, but this is up to GSL.
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Sad about the following:
Gumiho (actually code a material tbh)
TheStC (he's hyped)
GuineaPig (RANDOM FIGHTING!)
Superstar (hilarious vampire nerd)
Seal (do the creep)
Moon (because he travelled outside korea before it was popular)
Creator (decent young future toss)
Happy for:
JYP (Protoss)
Hack (decent, probably code a level)
TheBest (because he is the ultimate GSL villain!)
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On August 02 2011 22:34 bittman wrote:
Moon (because he travelled outside korea before it was popular)
Moon is a hipster nerd!
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what will happen in day2? another quali or rest of day1?
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Superstar didn't make it!
Why god, why?
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On August 02 2011 22:45 iamthedave wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Superstar didn't make it!
Why god, why?
Superstar won the first game by roach rushing, losing a macro game in game 2, kinda threw away the 3rd game (against Hack)
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On August 02 2011 22:32 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:20 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. oh ok, that makes sense then I might add that this is how it was some months ago. GOM might have changed their rules. Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:20 Lyter wrote:
the road to korea awarded the spot in code a, its not just the trip Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:22 SKC wrote:On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. It wasn't on this case. As far as I know, the prize of the tournament, a Code A spot, was decided before Sase won, that's the whole point of naming it Road to Korea. Gom made no decision regarding Sase, they made the decision of having a tournament where the winner gets the spot. I'm not sure if the direct seeds are still valid after the partnership with MLG, making it a lot easier for foreigners to enter Code A anyway. I don't think you are correct. I do remember the tournaments being marketed as the prize being given for the trip and a chance to compete in the code A qualifiers (what it said initially on the website). The question of it being a direct seed was asked during this tournament and as far as I know there wasn't any real confirmation either way. And Gom didn't arrange the tournament Rakaka did, and while it's possible they had some kind of agreement it doesn't seem like it was finalized at the beginning at least. This could possible be explained with that there wasn't any date of when the winning player would go making it hard for them to promise a seed when they didn't know the format of future gsl. Someone correct me if I remember this wrong.
Well, I didn't mean that Gom organized the even, but Rakaka promised a trip to Korea where the player would get the travel cost, expenses and would participate in the GSL for one month. Since they know how hard Code B is, I assume they would have specified that it is only a chance of getting in the GSL if that was the case. That was with the information on the tournament post here on TL.
But still, what I really meant was that it wasn't just a case of applying and getting a spot like HuK got one. When Gom was organizing the MLG invites, they probally added the Road to Korea winner as well, if they hadn't before. I don't think they would keep both the official invites still let people just avoid going through MLG/Code B/Another similar tournament. But it's mostly speculation on my part.
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On August 02 2011 22:48 bbQ4Aiur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:45 iamthedave wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Superstar didn't make it!
Why god, why? Superstar won the first game by roach rushing, losing a macro game in game 2, kinda threw away the 3rd game (against Hack)
*weeps*
When are the qualifiers back on? I'm not quite clear on this. Gom still has its 'Live' button lit up, but I'm fairly sure the qualifiers are over.
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On August 02 2011 22:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
theBest qualified...??? Whaaaa....???
Looking forward to his improved and hopefully new play... I guess?
No surprise. TheBest is KR GM; you know KR GM >> NA GM. While I laugh at some of his games, I know that he is much better than any causal player.
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On August 02 2011 22:48 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:32 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:20 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. oh ok, that makes sense then I might add that this is how it was some months ago. GOM might have changed their rules. On August 02 2011 22:20 Lyter wrote:
the road to korea awarded the spot in code a, its not just the trip On August 02 2011 22:22 SKC wrote:On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. It wasn't on this case. As far as I know, the prize of the tournament, a Code A spot, was decided before Sase won, that's the whole point of naming it Road to Korea. Gom made no decision regarding Sase, they made the decision of having a tournament where the winner gets the spot. I'm not sure if the direct seeds are still valid after the partnership with MLG, making it a lot easier for foreigners to enter Code A anyway. I don't think you are correct. I do remember the tournaments being marketed as the prize being given for the trip and a chance to compete in the code A qualifiers (what it said initially on the website). The question of it being a direct seed was asked during this tournament and as far as I know there wasn't any real confirmation either way. And Gom didn't arrange the tournament Rakaka did, and while it's possible they had some kind of agreement it doesn't seem like it was finalized at the beginning at least. This could possible be explained with that there wasn't any date of when the winning player would go making it hard for them to promise a seed when they didn't know the format of future gsl. Someone correct me if I remember this wrong. Well, I didn't mean that Gom organized the even, but Rakaka promised a trip to Korea where the player would get the travel cost, expenses and would participate in the GSL for one month. Since they know how hard Code B is, I assume they would have specified that it is only a chance of getting in the GSL if that was the case. That was with the information on the tournament post here on TL. But still, what I really meant was that it wasn't just a case of applying and getting a spot like HuK got one. When Gom was organizing the MLG invites, they probally added the Road to Korea winner as well, if they hadn't before. I don't think they would keep both the official invites still let people just avoid going through MLG/Code B/Another similar tournament. But it's mostly speculation on my part.
Look at the part I added in my last post. My point was that the winner of Road to Korea was not guaranteed a code A seed which several people have claimed in this thread. That was a decision GSL made after the tournament as the quote shows (I add it again below). As for what rules they use now, your guess is as good as mine, I can't really find any current rules that states it specifically.
Btw, that one month part was refering to the gsl house, not the gsl tournament itself.
Korea Travel and GSL-house
The winner SaSe was right after profit interviewed by Rakaka and of course it was a very happy winner, who especially looked forward to receiving quality training. SaSe will then go over the summer to Korea and stay in the GSL-house when it suits our winners best. Beyond that there are good chances that he may be rewarded with Code A and able to participate in a Code-A tournament, but this is up to GSL.
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On August 02 2011 22:51 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:48 bbQ4Aiur wrote:On August 02 2011 22:45 iamthedave wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Superstar didn't make it!
Why god, why? Superstar won the first game by roach rushing, losing a macro game in game 2, kinda threw away the 3rd game (against Hack) *weeps* When are the qualifiers back on? I'm not quite clear on this. Gom still has its 'Live' button lit up, but I'm fairly sure the qualifiers are over.
qualifiers day 2 will be on 12:10pm KST ( which i think its 14 hours later ), if ure asking for the video of today's matches, sorry idk :/
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Heh my favorite player thebest!!
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BoxeR made it in Code A?! YEA!
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zenexhack is at 90% winrate on the american server, not really surprised he qualified, don't know anything about him but he seems good. too bad stc didn't make it again 
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On August 02 2011 22:22 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 22:15 nihlon wrote:On August 02 2011 22:01 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:55 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 02 2011 21:52 ForeverSleep wrote:On August 02 2011 21:50 Elurie wrote:On August 02 2011 21:48 ForeverSleep wrote:
dumb question, when is Sase playing? Next Monday in Ro32 I suppose. He's already in Code A. ok thanks. But I though the tournament he won to get there only gave him a free trip to korea and an opportunity to get in code A by the qualifiers, not a code A spot right away. Nope, GSL offers 4 code A spots for the top non-Korean (meaning players who train in Korea) MLG finisher and one Code S spot for the top non-Code-S finisher. Note that the Code S spot is worth 1,5k cash, which is half of the first place prize at the MLG, as this is the prize money you get for loosing in the first round. Add in a free trip to Korea plus free lodging it feels at least equal to the MLG first prize. Sase does not come by MLG. He won the Rakakat (spelling?) road to Korea tournament to get there so I dont think the mlg spots are concerning him... GOM have a case for case system when it comes to foreigners. It can be found somewhere on the gom website, but basically anyone can apply for a direct seed and then gom decide wheter or not you have enough to show for it to get in, tournament wins and such. I guess Sase falls under that category. Probably his rank along with the Road to Korea win is the basis. It wasn't on this case. As far as I know, the prize of the tournament, a Code A spot, was decided before Sase won, that's the whole point of naming it Road to Korea. Gom made no decision regarding Sase, they made the decision of having a tournament where the winner gets the spot. I'm not sure if the direct seeds are still valid after the partnership with MLG, making it a lot easier for foreigners to enter Code A anyway.
The formal contract between Gom and MLG is something like:
- Winner of MLG gets code S.
- The next three best non-Korea based players gets code A invites.
The last point has been extended so if someone declines a code A invite, the next non-Korean gets invited etc.
Before the MLG-GSL collaboration GSL had already a system in place were they "could" invite up to four foreigners per season. This leaves at least one Code A seed per season which isn't accounted for by MLG.
To my knowledge Rakaka had gotten the indication from Gom that a Code A invite was very probable even before the Road Korea tourney, but that it wasn't confirmed. Thats why only a plane ticket and stay at the foreigner house was guaranteed. Gom later confirmed SaSe's invite simultaneously with the MLG-GSL collaboration announcement.
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