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On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:50 iamke55 wrote:
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I'm master on NA and I think diamond in KR is extremely easy. unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-224326.jpg) He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa..  Here's a platinum zerg on KR: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-224327.jpg) He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in.
If you watch the replay, even people who 6 pool their way to masters on NA have better macro than the platinum zerg I posted -_-
I play Protoss and I'm consistently getting 50-100% more supply than my diamond opponents in the games where I don't feel like 4 gating. For reference, in equal skill games Zerg should max when Toss is at 150 and Terran should max when Toss is at 180.
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On August 02 2011 19:11 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:50 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:47 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:32 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:28 Sina92 wrote:
KR silver = Diamond US / Plat EU Not true at all, diamond and under is just as terrible in KR as it is anywhere else. platinum KR is masters NA I'm master on NA and I think diamond in KR is extremely easy. unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. Read my post above. You cant judge a server when you only recently started
To be fair you haven't provided any evidence at all that the Korean server below Masters is any better than NA, so I don't know how you can criticize him. At least he's trying to show some evidence.
And then the other guy up there is Diamond in both... so... ??
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Can we drop the whole server discussion already? And to think it only started because of watching Jon the translator play a game lol -___-
listen to happyzerg and doa talk about his games =)
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On August 02 2011 19:16 Asha` wrote:Has the stream got rather laggy for anyone else or has my net just nosedived? :/ Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:15 Fyzar wrote:
I don't understand the OP, are Maka, Taeja and the other guy in code A now? Sorry if this is retarded ;l> Maka, Taeja, and Hack all qualified from the first group of matches yes.
Thanks, is there maybe some kind of bracket or post that clarifies the system a bit?
Or is it just how it has always worked, and those three just made it through?
Also, yay Maka! It would be such a heartbreaker match if we get MakaPrime vs MarineKingPrime first round in code A  .
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On August 02 2011 19:18 sjperera wrote:
theBEST!?!??!! theBEST?!?!! oh no!
TheBest would wipe the floor at MLG. He'd probably only lose to another Korean.
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On August 02 2011 19:18 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:
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unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in. Some have.
So what divisions did they end up in?
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I'm really hoping for JYP to qualify, I'm really interested in his style and want to see more from him.
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I wanna see Moon play. That would be sooo nice. GO MOON!
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Well leagues can be misleading
You may be in diamond but your actual skill level may be a lot higher since you are just starting out thus making your opponents seem worse than they actually are. Same with your opponent's league, they may have cheesed or got lucky to a higher division but should be in a lower ones.
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On August 02 2011 19:18 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:
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unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in. If you watch the replay, even people who 6 pool their way to masters on NA have better macro than the platinum zerg I posted -_- I play Protoss and I'm consistently getting 50-100% more supply than my diamond opponents in the games where I don't feel like 4 gating. For reference, in equal skill games Zerg should max when Toss is at 150 and Terran should max when Toss is at 180.
So would you say that KR is completely equal in skill level to NA based on your experience?
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On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:50 iamke55 wrote:
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I'm master on NA and I think diamond in KR is extremely easy. unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in.
Welcome to social science where all experiments are inherently complex due to the inability to create well controlled isolated experiments.
Yes the ideal situation would be to take the same (as in clone) player and let him simultaneously start laddering both in NA and Korea. You of course need to make sure that the environment he lives in is similar in both places and he uses the approximately same time for practice. So we might also need to clone people close to him and.... /sarcasm
On a more serious note. This is just to show that a single player or a single result in such a complex setting will never yield useful results. You would need a large group of people both in NA and Korea, question them regularly on their lifestyle, training regime, etc. Afterwards you need to correlate the data and hope that you can make some useful conclusions. Oh and if you are unlucky you forgot to track some important variable and your whole experiment won't give any useful answers.
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On August 02 2011 19:15 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:15 baoluvboa wrote:On August 02 2011 19:14 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I hope a TSL player qualify. They really had it tough. yea me too their coach is a really nice guy (if anyone watched the hyung joong show, he is the tall skinny one) and i love killer and clide What kind of show is that? Im curious..
Hyungjoon becomes a progamer.
It's some show about some kpop artist who goofs around and wants to become a progamer by winning Courage (a tournament which will give u a progaming license if u manage to win the tournament, to put it easily in perspective it's like if some amateur below diamond wants to qualify for code A).
TSL's coach is also known as mama bear.
The show had MKP in it as well briefly. MC as well I think since I know he was on MBC but not sure if he quite before or after the show.
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On August 02 2011 19:14 BFD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:11 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:On August 02 2011 18:53 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:50 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:47 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:32 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:28 Sina92 wrote:
KR silver = Diamond US / Plat EU Not true at all, diamond and under is just as terrible in KR as it is anywhere else. platinum KR is masters NA I'm master on NA and I think diamond in KR is extremely easy. unfair to judge a server when you've only just started recently What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. Read my post above. You cant judge a server when you only recently started If I can help this debate... I'm high diamond on EU, and mid diamond on KR, been playing on both for a year. I feel like the skill level is pretty much the same on both, if just slightly, but really slightly better on KR. And maybe that slight difference is all about the lag. KR hype = overrated, honestly. Show me a plat KR who's masters on US/EU and I'll believe it.
i cant judge the skill of EU servers as i've probably only played 15-20 games there, but high diamond EU and mid diamond KR shows that KR > EU which you agreed with.
I don't know many plat players on KR so i cant give you any
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On August 02 2011 19:21 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:18 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:
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What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in. If you watch the replay, even people who 6 pool their way to masters on NA have better macro than the platinum zerg I posted -_- I play Protoss and I'm consistently getting 50-100% more supply than my diamond opponents in the games where I don't feel like 4 gating. For reference, in equal skill games Zerg should max when Toss is at 150 and Terran should max when Toss is at 180. So would you say that KR is completely equal in skill level to NA based on your experience?
Did you just completely ignore the thread or discussion then quote him while making a baseless accusation? He is saying below masters the difference isn't that big.
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Damn, waking up to see that ogstheSTC didn't make it again. Code A qualifiers are so brutal.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2011 19:21 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:18 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:
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What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in. If you watch the replay, even people who 6 pool their way to masters on NA have better macro than the platinum zerg I posted -_- I play Protoss and I'm consistently getting 50-100% more supply than my diamond opponents in the games where I don't feel like 4 gating. For reference, in equal skill games Zerg should max when Toss is at 150 and Terran should max when Toss is at 180. So would you say that KR is completely equal in skill level to NA based on your experience?
Of course, high master's and gm are going to be much better because at the highest levels of play Korea offers many more players. Taking this into account plus the fact that there are less people on the Kr server than the NA server, the Kr server is going to have an overall higher skill level in lower leagues.
It does not go as far as platinum = master's. That's dumb.
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Wow, those are some really good force fields.
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On August 02 2011 19:21 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2011 19:18 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:13 tomatriedes wrote:On August 02 2011 19:10 Sina92 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:09 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 19:07 Giku wrote:On August 02 2011 19:04 Mairu wrote:On August 02 2011 19:01 iamke55 wrote:On August 02 2011 18:58 b_unnies wrote:On August 02 2011 18:57 -Zoda- wrote:
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What about people judging the server while then don't even play on it ? if you're referring to me, i've been playing on KR server since ladder season 1 Here's a diamond Terran I just played. He is worse than master league players on NA for sure. I don't really think one replay is conclusive evidence for anything. I actually want to know now.. Like, I think most agree: KR >>> EU > NA , but I wonder indeed what a Platinum KR can do on other servers.. and vice versa.. Here's a platinum zerg on KR: He has about half the supply, total bases, and drones I would expect from a NA master. ONE replay? Seriously, ONE replay? A few replays don't really prove much because plenty of people can cheese their way into higher leagues. We need someone to play both servers for six months at the same rate and see what division they end up in. If you watch the replay, even people who 6 pool their way to masters on NA have better macro than the platinum zerg I posted -_- I play Protoss and I'm consistently getting 50-100% more supply than my diamond opponents in the games where I don't feel like 4 gating. For reference, in equal skill games Zerg should max when Toss is at 150 and Terran should max when Toss is at 180. So would you say that KR is completely equal in skill level to NA based on your experience?
Can't tell yet since I'm only playing diamonds in KR so far. But of all the diamonds I've played so far, only one of them seemed like he could be master on NA, and it's really hard to tell because it was a PvP on Tal'Darim Altar.
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I really hope Moon makes it through
He is like a WC3 boxer who is more silent ( I guess less charismatic would be the word) but his skill makes up for it.
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This bo3 of Happyzerg looks so much better than his first against that awful terran. Feels like watching a different player.^^
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