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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
July 21 2011 12:36 GMT
#3721
On July 21 2011 21:32 ComusLoM wrote:
Huk would probably beat MKP 8/10 times convincingly if they were played consecutively. That's the consistency that comes from weekend tournament experience and playing on the spot like is required in a team league situation.


Lol sorry but that's just an absurd claim. How would you even know something like that? Your reasoning for that claim is completely baseless and pure opinion. I think many would disagree with your opinion.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 21 2011 12:36 GMT
#3722
On July 21 2011 21:35 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


He lost to TheBest in a bo3 in last week's Korean weekly, at this point I'm starting to think he's bound for Code A given his group is the toughest.

Marineking is a pretty up and down player. Before that though he made it very deep in other online tournaments and won 2 of them. Also was able to qualify for NASL by beating polt (not sure if polt qualified)
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
July 21 2011 12:37 GMT
#3723
On July 21 2011 21:35 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


He lost to TheBest in a bo3 in last week's Korean weekly, at this point I'm starting to think he's bound for Code A given his group is the toughest.

And he destroyed many terrans in FXOpen 4 (4-1 TheStC etc). What's the point? Online tournaments don't matter, we'll see in Up&Down how he does.
WriterMaru
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 12:37 GMT
#3724
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


Isn't a bit too convenient to only look at the GSL games? His TLPD information seems to indicate that he's won 9/11 games in the Asia Champions Trophy tournament.
zz_
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 12:43:37
July 21 2011 12:37 GMT
#3725
On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:

He is the best Terran on his team.


No.

On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:
He is still one of the best Terrans, he's better than anyone on oGs-TL with the exception of MC


lolno, not even close. Supernova, Top, MC are all better, Killer, Zenio, Huk and stc are all pretty much equal.


On July 21 2011 21:35 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.


Having the best players on your team and having the best team isn't quite the same thing...
In the absence of justice, what is sovereignty but organized robbery?
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
July 21 2011 12:38 GMT
#3726
On July 21 2011 21:37 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


Isn't a bit too convenient to only look at the GSL games? His TLPD information seems to indicate that he's won 9/11 games in the Asia Champions Trophy tournament.

Cuz those matter right?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 21 2011 12:38 GMT
#3727
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


I dunno, 2 time GSL champ. HuK. Former BW bonjwa. Another GSL finalist. Its a preeeettty good team.
twitch.tv/medrea
canonised
Profile Joined May 2011
71 Posts
July 21 2011 12:38 GMT
#3728
On July 21 2011 21:35 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.


IM is definitely the best Korean team imo, I'd put their 4 best vs any team and bet on it
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 21 2011 12:38 GMT
#3729
On July 21 2011 21:35 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.


Hard to make that claim yet. I mean isn't that what the GSTL is for? IM has a lot of topnotch players including Losira and Nestea.

I see oGs as having a lot of very strong and consistent players, but they are not infallible.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#3730
On July 21 2011 21:35 Mioraka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.

What? I guess it's objective when it comes down to it, but they have a bunch of mid level code S players, but I just don't see how you could ever say IM is not the best team in Korea. It's pretty obvious that not only do they have 3 of the best players in the world but they're growing some pretty scary players as well and have managed to win without the big 3.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#3731
On July 21 2011 21:38 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:37 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


Isn't a bit too convenient to only look at the GSL games? His TLPD information seems to indicate that he's won 9/11 games in the Asia Champions Trophy tournament.

Cuz those matter right?


Guess not, if you really want to try to piece together an argument that MKP is slumping... I was under the impression that a slump doesn't just conveniently rear its ugly head during the GSL and release its hold on you outside of the GSL
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9041 Posts
July 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#3732
Send Polt for heaven's sake...
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
July 21 2011 12:39 GMT
#3733
On July 21 2011 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:34 snailz wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:

On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.

He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well.


I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team.
Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now.


You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way.


dude didnt even say mkp was terribad. he said he doesnt understand why is he so beloved when his playstyle is subpar in comparison with some other macro beasts.

and honest to good, i also dislike his style. everybody bashes bitbybit, while foxer does similiar things and gets the fame for it. first two seasons he didnt do anything BUT allin.

he got better, yeah, 60% in gsl speaks for itself. but in the long run i think he'll fade away.

Which macro beasts? All these terrans that always queue-up scv lol?


ogsNada, ogsTOP, sCfou... guys that shine when u give them some space (meaning when u go for FE also, and then u loose to a "race that needs to do dmg early on")

Foxer-Nada game two seasons ago, foxer did wonders early game with marines, got super-super ahead, and then Nada just raped him. look that game up. that's what i mean when i say macro terran.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#3734
On July 21 2011 21:38 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:37 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.


Isn't a bit too convenient to only look at the GSL games? His TLPD information seems to indicate that he's won 9/11 games in the Asia Champions Trophy tournament.

Cuz those matter right?

If GSL is the only thing that matters huk is pretty mediocore.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
July 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#3735
On July 21 2011 21:35 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:34 snailz wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:

On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.

He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well.


I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team.
Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now.


You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way.


dude didnt even say mkp was terribad. he said he doesnt understand why is he so beloved when his playstyle is subpar in comparison with some other macro beasts.

and honest to good, i also dislike his style. everybody bashes bitbybit, while foxer does similiar things and gets the fame for it. first two seasons he didnt do anything BUT allin.

he got better, yeah, 60% in gsl speaks for itself. but in the long run i think he'll fade away.

Which macro beasts? All these terrans that always queue-up scv lol?


MMA, Bomber, MVP, Puma, Byun, etc, etc.

There are a ton of macro beast terrans who have pretty good micro too..
Yargh
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#3736
On July 21 2011 21:37 zz_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:

He is the best Terran on his team.


No.

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:
He is still one of the best Terrans, he's better than anyone on oGs-TL with the exception of MC


lolno, not even close. Supernova, Top, MC are all better, Killer, Zenio, Huk and stc are all pretty much equal.

Are you serious? Supernova is better than Marineking? I am srsly close to lol'ing at that. TOP is good, Idk if he's better but he's definitely close. Killer, zenio and huk never get anywhere in code S.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#3737
On July 21 2011 21:38 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


I dunno, 2 time GSL champ. HuK. Former BW bonjwa. Another GSL finalist. Its a preeeettty good team.


IM is the best team. Nestea, Losira, MVP, etc.

After them it's a coinflip. Slayers has been pretty bad this season, TSL lost their ace, HoSeo beat up on the two weakest teams in their conference, MVP has been carried so far by Dong.

I guess it would be Startale with Bomber, July, Trickster, Squirtle, etc.
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Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
July 21 2011 12:40 GMT
#3738
On July 21 2011 21:38 canonised wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:35 Mioraka wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.

I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?

HUK SMASH HIM!

T^T!!!!!



Best team in korea? HAHA


If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.


IM is definitely the best Korean team imo, I'd put their 4 best vs any team and bet on it


statistically oGs has the most players in the best tournament, even after like 7 seasons.

On the other hand if some one likes a team they can make w/e claims they want. Arguing about opinion is clearly a waste of time.
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 21 2011 12:41 GMT
#3739
On July 21 2011 21:39 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 21:35 Poopi wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:34 snailz wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:

On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:
On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.

He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well.


I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team.
Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now.


You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way.


dude didnt even say mkp was terribad. he said he doesnt understand why is he so beloved when his playstyle is subpar in comparison with some other macro beasts.

and honest to good, i also dislike his style. everybody bashes bitbybit, while foxer does similiar things and gets the fame for it. first two seasons he didnt do anything BUT allin.

he got better, yeah, 60% in gsl speaks for itself. but in the long run i think he'll fade away.

Which macro beasts? All these terrans that always queue-up scv lol?


ogsNada, ogsTOP, sCfou... guys that shine when u give them some space (meaning when u go for FE also, and then u loose to a "race that needs to do dmg early on")

Foxer-Nada game two seasons ago, foxer did wonders early game with marines, got super-super ahead, and then Nada just raped him. look that game up. that's what i mean when i say macro terran.

You mean those same games where MarineKing 3-0'd him with base trades?
Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2011
233 Posts
July 21 2011 12:41 GMT
#3740
Hehe any team with Nestea in it is automaticly the best team in the world anyway
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