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On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should really get banned for player bashing. I don't get how people who say anything bad about Liquid players or Idra get banned instantly but the mods don't care at all if it's about Korean players. Fruitdealer won a GSL a long time ago, MarineKing has been consistent ever since his first final appearance. Maybe you like arguing with "MKP fanboys" but you're ignorant and oblivious to actual results. He is still one of the best Terrans, he's better than anyone on oGs-TL with the exception of MC and even though that game didn't quite show it because of the build, I'm sure he would easily crush Huk in a bo5. He is the best Terran on his team.
That's not player bashing, that's telling it how it is. MKP doesn't look impressive when he plays. He relies heavily on gimmicky often cheesy play and has done since his GSL2 run. He looks far weaker than Polt when he plays and that's why he was sent out today, they want that magic back. It's like sending out a rookie Sea for an ace match to advance in the proleagues, not because you expect him to win, but so you can develop him further on stage.
MKP would probably crush Huk 1/10 times in a Bo5. Huk would probably beat him 8/10 times convincingly if they were played consecutively. That's the consistency that comes from weekend tournament experience and playing on the spot like is required in a team league situation.
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On July 21 2011 21:29 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:25 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 21:24 Kipsate wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 Eufouria wrote:On July 21 2011 21:18 Kipsate wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/12rjX.jpg) Fuck yeah. I believed. You probably should have spent less time believing in Huk and more time believing in Sage. To be fair I didn't know who Sage was cause I didn't do research lol. Holy shit man, Sage is raping you. =/ No amount of research could have predicted the awesomeness :O
Should've watched the ICCUP Korean weekly.
Seriously, that's what anyone not a high masters in Korea who wants to design a good fantasy league next time should do for next GSTL.
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On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.
I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?
HUK SMASH HIM!
T^T!!!!!
Best team in korea? HAHA
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yeah, it kinda gets old seeing MKP always ending up crying in the booth.
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On July 21 2011 21:29 Copymizer wrote:
holy shit HuK actually won vs Marineking and another one, damn ! Applause to his efforts just WOW what he is showing!
*Check starts sobbing quietly in the corner.*
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On July 21 2011 21:28 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way. Hahaha man im totally chill.I'm just really happy Huk won^^
Passive Doucheness isnt as bad as being an outright douche i guess
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On July 21 2011 21:30 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should really get banned for player bashing. I don't get how people who say anything bad about Liquid players or Idra get banned instantly but the mods don't care at all if it's about Korean players. Fruitdealer won a GSL a long time ago, MarineKing has been consistent ever since his first final appearance. Maybe you like arguing with "MKP fanboys" but you're ignorant and oblivious to actual results. He is still one of the best Terrans, he's better than anyone on oGs-TL with the exception of MC and even though that game didn't quite show it because of the build, I'm sure he would easily crush Huk in a bo5. He is the best Terran on his team. That's exactly what the other guy meant when he said that MKP fanboys overrate him. The best Terran on his team? Sorry, but there's already a Terran on Prime that actually won the Super Tournament, doing what MKP was never quite able to do. Better than anyone on oGs-TL? Players like TOP and NaDa could very well beg to differ. Not saying that they're definitely better than MKP, but you shouldn't be able to just boldly declare that MKP is obviously better than either of them. Again, that's what the other guy meant when he said that MKP fans overrate him.
I would say polt and marineking are pretty close to the same level right now. And uhh, I don't see how TOP and Nada are better than marineking... or on an even level... Just because marineking got knocked out in the hardest group of this last GSL and then couldn't win 1 game in a team league
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Netherlands15103 Posts
On July 21 2011 21:30 openbox1 wrote:Its strange. Just a month ago, before he won the super tournament, everyone said Polt was a cheesy 1/2 base all-inner. Infact, when it was down to the MMA/Polt Final, the consensus was that MMA would have an easy win cause Polt cheesed his way to the final. Now, athough after the Super tournament Polt hasn't really done anything and bombed out of the July S-Class tourney, TL is flooded with angry posters who wonder why he wasn't picked over MKP, who's also a decent player. How fickle the TL crowd is.  Personally I think both Polt and MKP are kinda overrated. One was lucky in the super tourney (come on, going against MC who went crazy greedy two games in a row???) and the latter chokes whenever it comes down to the wire. They're both great SC players, but they don't have the consistency that players such as MC, Nestea and Bomber has shown. (although I do hope MC varies his go to air off two bases build a bit, what happened to his 7 gate, or 5 gate rushes?)
Fully agree with you, nice post.
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On July 21 2011 21:20 Severus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:17 blooblooblahblah wrote:On July 21 2011 21:15 MurMiLLo wrote:On July 21 2011 21:15 alepov wrote:
Not balance whining, but what do you do vs 1gate FE then? If even the most intuitive counter doesn't work at all? yeah its pretty bullshit Since when does 3rax counter 1gate FE? 1Gate FE is still vulnerable to a well exectued 2rax. 2rax not gonna work....2fact push will crush it.
Nope.
2 Rax works, only if first rax is a reactor and second is t-lab.
Push with like 5-7 marines and a rauder (don't know the exact detail as I play toss)
and around 5 scvs.
The toss needs to either cancel his nexus or delay that shizzle with greater micro than your terran counterpart to survive.
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On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way.
dude didnt even say mkp was terribad. he said he doesnt understand why is he so beloved when his playstyle is subpar in comparison with some other macro beasts.
and honest to good, i also dislike his style. everybody bashes bitbybit, while foxer does similiar things and gets the fame for it. first two seasons he didnt do anything BUT allin.
he got better, yeah, 60% in gsl speaks for itself. but in the long run i think he'll fade away.
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On July 21 2011 21:29 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:28 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way. Hahaha man im totally chill.I'm just really happy Huk won^^ That's fantastic. So why do you feel the need to insult his opponent? I'm sure Huk would be rather disappointed with your behavior actually.
We all have a player in any sports we don't like.For instance i don't like Lebron in basketball,or Ronaldo in football.Am i insulting them?No,every time i just say why they will never be considered the best and will never BE the best,when people are glorifying them.That's all,we are fans of sports and as fans we have players we like and players we don't.I can't see why i couldn't voice my opinion in a non insulting explaining way.
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United States23455 Posts
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.
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On July 21 2011 21:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:30 HolyArrow wrote:On July 21 2011 21:24 noddy wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should really get banned for player bashing. I don't get how people who say anything bad about Liquid players or Idra get banned instantly but the mods don't care at all if it's about Korean players. Fruitdealer won a GSL a long time ago, MarineKing has been consistent ever since his first final appearance. Maybe you like arguing with "MKP fanboys" but you're ignorant and oblivious to actual results. He is still one of the best Terrans, he's better than anyone on oGs-TL with the exception of MC and even though that game didn't quite show it because of the build, I'm sure he would easily crush Huk in a bo5. He is the best Terran on his team. That's exactly what the other guy meant when he said that MKP fanboys overrate him. The best Terran on his team? Sorry, but there's already a Terran on Prime that actually won the Super Tournament, doing what MKP was never quite able to do. Better than anyone on oGs-TL? Players like TOP and NaDa could very well beg to differ. Not saying that they're definitely better than MKP, but you shouldn't be able to just boldly declare that MKP is obviously better than either of them. Again, that's what the other guy meant when he said that MKP fans overrate him. I would say polt and marineking are pretty close to the same level right now. And uhh, I don't see how TOP and Nada are better than marineking... or on an even level... Just because marineking got knocked out in the hardest group of this last GSL and then couldn't win 1 game in a team league
Perhaps, but polt is better at TvP, period. And that's all that mattered.
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France12904 Posts
On July 21 2011 21:34 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:27 Ocedic wrote:On July 21 2011 21:22 TheKefka wrote:On July 21 2011 21:20 noddy wrote:
Rofl at the people saying MarineKing is overrated. Yeah, you make 3 finals by being overrated. I swear people are dumb sometimes.
He shouldn't have all-in'd there, he is the better player and should have won if he just played standard. Oh well. I really love to argue with MKP fanboys.He is overrated in the sense that people call him a God of terran where as he is not even the best terran on his team. Yea he made his way to 3 finals,but so did fruitdealer win a GSL but now he is just a average player now. You should relax instead of acting like an internet tough guy and talking trash about StarCraft players who are infinitely better than you. Life is more enjoyable that way. dude didnt even say mkp was terribad. he said he doesnt understand why is he so beloved when his playstyle is subpar in comparison with some other macro beasts. and honest to good, i also dislike his style. everybody bashes bitbybit, while foxer does similiar things and gets the fame for it. first two seasons he didnt do anything BUT allin. he got better, yeah, 60% in gsl speaks for itself. but in the long run i think he'll fade away.
Which macro beasts? All these terrans that always queue-up scv lol?
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On July 21 2011 21:33 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:30 openbox1 wrote:Its strange. Just a month ago, before he won the super tournament, everyone said Polt was a cheesy 1/2 base all-inner. Infact, when it was down to the MMA/Polt Final, the consensus was that MMA would have an easy win cause Polt cheesed his way to the final. Now, athough after the Super tournament Polt hasn't really done anything and bombed out of the July S-Class tourney, TL is flooded with angry posters who wonder why he wasn't picked over MKP, who's also a decent player. How fickle the TL crowd is. Personally I think both Polt and MKP are kinda overrated. One was lucky in the super tourney (come on, going against MC who went crazy greedy two games in a row???) and the latter chokes whenever it comes down to the wire. They're both great SC players, but they don't have the consistency that players such as MC, Nestea and Bomber has shown. (although I do hope MC varies his go to air off two bases build a bit, what happened to his 7 gate, or 5 gate rushes?) Fully agree with you, nice post.
:S He was still pretty known for his TvP before that though.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On July 21 2011 21:34 Fionn wrote:
In GSL tournaments, MarineKing is now 0-9 in his past nine games. The dude is slumping. You can't say he isn't.
He lost to TheBest in a bo3 in last week's Korean weekly, at this point I'm starting to think he's bound for Code A given his group is the toughest.
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On July 21 2011 21:31 ketomai wrote:
Only thing missing from this was that guy in the audience that yells HUUUUUUUUUUUUUK.
*sniff* I miss that guy....
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On July 21 2011 21:32 Hephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 21:05 Gamegene wrote:
T__________T.
I'm sorry but is anybody else teary eyed seeing a foreigner representing the best team in Korea in the ace match between two of the best teams in the GSL after so many years of Korean BW dominance?
HUK SMASH HIM!
T^T!!!!! Best team in korea? HAHA
If 1/4 of the players from the most prestiges league in the world are in this team. Then yeah, this team is the best team in Korea.
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hahahaha good thing I put MKP on my anti.
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United States23455 Posts
If Polt "cheesed" in the Super Tournament, than that means almost every top terran cheeses; SC, MVP, Bomber, etc. I can't even remember a game in the Super Tournament where Polt one based all-inned or cheese anyone. He did some early pressure, but he always backed it up with an early CC.
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