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On July 19 2011 20:09 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:07 bittman wrote:On July 19 2011 20:05 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 Dartego wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 starcraft2rush wrote:
NESTEA FIRST 3 TIME CHAMPION..THE FIRST SC2 BONJWA bomber will stop him No he won't. Nestea is going to show everyone why Bomber's TvZ is considered shit. Only Byun would put up a good fight from the other bracket. Really? (checks Bombers vZ) 14-5 (73.68%) Yep, he's pretty shit. P.S. I know Bomber lost to Nestea. MC lost to HongUn, we going to class PvP as MC's worst MU now? Not to mention Game 1 of Nestea v Bomber was anything but one sided. Game 2 was pretty one sided though, can't remember if bomber went for a failed cheese or what, but it was pretty quick.
This pretty much. You all underestimate Bomber's TvZ but he's still posting up insane win %s vs zergs. That may be his weakest matchup, but he's still good enough at it to make an epic game with nestea in that one tal'darim altar game. It's probably the best Finals we can hope for right now.
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Warpgate is a pretty well thought-out mechanic.
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On July 19 2011 20:10 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up. MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN!
The MU has been seen asbroken since release and protoss players have complained about it ever since. Of course it's brought up when MC loses to HongUnPrime when HongUn does nothing different than what a diamond player could pull off.
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On July 19 2011 20:11 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:10 mikyaJ wrote:On July 19 2011 20:09 HolyArrow wrote:
HongUn needs to win the GSL so he can afford wrist surgery. IT'S PERFECT. He said that progaming was his "second dream" so he doesn't have the motivation anyway Yea. He said in his interview that he had "half given up" before this match. What is hongun like at his full power? I'm scared thinking about it
he's half given up because of the wrist injury.
wrist injury is a career ender for progamers.
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I feel like Hongun is gonna somehow stumble trough Nestea so that we get a bad onesided final again 
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On July 19 2011 20:11 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:07 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Sernyl wrote:
MC ain't the god toss anymore.Oh well.
Those 4gates sure are exceptional. Yes he is. He's still easilly the best Protoss in the world, anyone can lose a game, nevermind in PvP. Even Flash loses games. Losing a Bo5 is not losing a game. And PvP is not random, it's just his build couldn't even counter the standard in PvP. MC is not that good at PvP and that shows he didn't deserve to win, period.
Oh, come on. MC not that good at PvP? A little while ago he looked unbeatable. Upsets happen. Sometimes people play badly. MC is still one of the best PvPers in the world.
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On July 19 2011 20:11 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:07 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 Sernyl wrote:
MC ain't the god toss anymore.Oh well.
Those 4gates sure are exceptional. Yes he is. He's still easilly the best Protoss in the world, anyone can lose a game, nevermind in PvP. Even Flash loses games. Losing a Bo5 is not losing a game. And PvP is not random, it's just his build couldn't even counter the standard in PvP. MC is not that good at PvP and that shows he didn't deserve to win, period.
Saying MC is not that good at PvP is a little much. Maybe it would be more fitting to say MC is not as good at PvP as many believed, or MC in PvP ≠ Nestea in ZvZ like we may have thought
edit: typo
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On July 19 2011 20:10 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:07 bittman wrote:On July 19 2011 20:05 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 Dartego wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 starcraft2rush wrote:
NESTEA FIRST 3 TIME CHAMPION..THE FIRST SC2 BONJWA bomber will stop him No he won't. Nestea is going to show everyone why Bomber's TvZ is considered shit. Only Byun would put up a good fight from the other bracket. Really? (checks Bombers vZ) 14-5 (73.68%) Yep, he's pretty shit. P.S. I know Bomber lost to Nestea. MC lost to HongUn, we going to class PvP as MC's worst MU now? I'll take Bomber's own words over stats. Oh Destiny and Moon can beat Bomber,
Destiny's win was in an online tournament so it is completely meaningless.
Pretty sure ROOTddoro beat NesTea in an online tournament. Just sayin'.
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Sadly people will find a way to shit on HongUn if he loses to Nestea thinking he cheated them from seeing MC vs Nestea. Anyway good job HongUn you played a better PvP than MC!
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On July 19 2011 20:11 Yew wrote:
Hongun, first SC2 bonjwa.
hahah n1
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On July 19 2011 20:10 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:08 Durp wrote:
Ugh I hate watching the worse Protoss player win with 4gates like in game 4. Game 3 was a prime example (uh oh pun alert) of how HongUn's decision making is not up to par with this stage of the tournament (some of the blinks he had in G3 were decisions a Masters player would no to not do)
Personally would love to see Tester v NesTea finals. Tester has always had great PvZ and with July to practice with him I could see that being a great finals (if he can get by mini Nestea in Ro8 tomorrow!) I can see the meme going up on Reddit right now... Beats MC Worse than Masters
Perhaps a little hyperbole, but the G3 blink by HongUn into the main to trade 2/3 of his stalkers for 2 colossus (out of 4 mind you) was the worst attacking decision I've seen in the GSL in a long time. Gave up unit supremacy (he had MC on defensive), lost positioning, and got demolished like 60 seconds later.
Even as a protoss player I feel compelled to reference the old memes; "can't win a real game, 4gate." It's gotten even more like that now, because the better players aren't 4gating as much in PvP (it seems to be relegated to the "oh shit I'm in trouble" build for the top P's rather than the go-to move)
As a protoss I feel watching this MU has been made even worse
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On July 19 2011 20:09 Ansinjunger wrote:
Why is fate so intent on denying us good GSL series? MVP/MC/Nestea are never gonna play a bo5 or 7 at this rate, and I don't see risky players like HongUn going that far. He's just this season's Inca.
MC screwed up no doubt, but the fans got screwed just as bad. I mean, the only non team league GSL champion match up we've had was FD vs Nestea, wth? No, Nestea vs MC in season 2 doesn't count since neither were GSL champions back then. Only MC haters and those rare actual HongUn fans have anything to celebrate--plus Nestea fans I guess. But I think even most of those want an epic series, not a walkover.
HongUn, please prove me wrong next week, as this has been one of the most frustrating GSL's ever. At least the other half of the tournament is all players that are solid and not weird/risky.
MVP beat Nestea in the semis in GSL4.
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On July 19 2011 20:11 Crying wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:10 NotSoSerious wrote:
Just move the WP upgrade to council or whatever,this is not fun to watch or play...and no,i'm not a MC cryfan,but 4gate is embarrassing,you shouldn't be allowed to get so far into a tournament just cause you can execute 1 simple build. This is impossible,cos zerg's larvae inject will steamroll us ,and some stim timings will demolish It's like saying lets move larvae inject to be a lair upgrade.. RoFl
The build time of zealots, stalkers, and sentries could be reduced to their WG equivalents.
Edit: Maybe zealot build time should only be reduced once the cyber core is completed... if that's a viable starcraft mechanic.
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Patch 1.3.37
Due to an honored agreement between Protoss Clans, when facing each other; Warp Gate research is nullified for both sides.
EDIT: More realistic fix could be, Protoss units can't warp-in on top of of enemy's pylon power radius, due to warp field interference.
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On July 19 2011 20:11 Jayjay54 wrote:it's not real QQ bc it was a mirror. but a shitty mirror and it's not as great to watch if the first 5 stalkers win the game...hard to find arguements here. dunno how to fix it though.
Probably a thread somewhere discussing how to fix the PvP matchup. When I used to main protoss it was the only MU I visited the strategy forum for to see alternative strategies for.
In a way I'm thankful I'm only in gold. Matches usually become 4 base Collos + zealot + stalker vs Zealot + archon + void ray PvP =D
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On July 19 2011 20:13 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:09 Ansinjunger wrote:
Why is fate so intent on denying us good GSL series? MVP/MC/Nestea are never gonna play a bo5 or 7 at this rate, and I don't see risky players like HongUn going that far. He's just this season's Inca.
MC screwed up no doubt, but the fans got screwed just as bad. I mean, the only non team league GSL champion match up we've had was FD vs Nestea, wth? No, Nestea vs MC in season 2 doesn't count since neither were GSL champions back then. Only MC haters and those rare actual HongUn fans have anything to celebrate--plus Nestea fans I guess. But I think even most of those want an epic series, not a walkover.
HongUn, please prove me wrong next week, as this has been one of the most frustrating GSL's ever. At least the other half of the tournament is all players that are solid and not weird/risky. MVP beat Nestea in the semis in GSL4.
He also beat him in the finals of the Gainward tourney 4-0, right?
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Bomber is good, but with no results, and a bo7 vs nestea who is concidered the best player in the world vs bombers weakest matchupp there is no way he can win. He will get faceraped like a mongolian hebrew infidel.. belive me.
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On July 19 2011 20:13 Zinthar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:11 Crying wrote:On July 19 2011 20:10 NotSoSerious wrote:
Just move the WP upgrade to council or whatever,this is not fun to watch or play...and no,i'm not a MC cryfan,but 4gate is embarrassing,you shouldn't be allowed to get so far into a tournament just cause you can execute 1 simple build. This is impossible,cos zerg's larvae inject will steamroll us ,and some stim timings will demolish It's like saying lets move larvae inject to be a lair upgrade.. RoFl The build time of zealots, stalkers, and sentries could be reduced to their WG equivalents. Edit: Maybe zealot build time should only be reduced once the cyber core is completed... if that's a viable starcraft mechanic.
Proxy 2 gate says hi
EDIT: Probably wont change it too badly
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On July 19 2011 20:15 Fosjoo wrote:
Bomber is good, but with no results, and a bo7 vs nestea who is concidered the best player in the world vs bombers weakest matchupp there is no way he can win. He will get faceraped like a mongolian hebrew infidel.. belive me.
ZvT is Nestea's weakest matchup as well. It won't be the highest quality of finals, but it might actually be close.
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On July 19 2011 20:15 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:15 Fosjoo wrote:
Bomber is good, but with no results, and a bo7 vs nestea who is concidered the best player in the world vs bombers weakest matchupp there is no way he can win. He will get faceraped like a mongolian hebrew infidel.. belive me. ZvT is Nestea's weakest matchup as well. It won't be the highest quality of finals, but it might actually be close.
I want losira vs nestea. student vs teacher
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