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On July 19 2011 20:08 Durp wrote:
Ugh I hate watching the worse Protoss player win with 4gates like in game 4. Game 3 was a prime example (uh oh pun alert) of how HongUn's decision making is not up to par with this stage of the tournament (some of the blinks he had in G3 were decisions a Masters player would no to not do)
Personally would love to see Tester v NesTea finals. Tester has always had great PvZ and with July to practice with him I could see that being a great finals (if he can get by mini Nestea in Ro8 tomorrow!)
I can see the meme going up on Reddit right now...
Beats MC
Worse than Masters
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On July 19 2011 20:08 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:06 Fubi wrote:
So much for the patch fixing PvP, it didn't change one bit the only thing that can stop razor thin 4 Warp gate is still a 4 warp gate. Thank you blizzard for a lame ass match up.
MC lost a pvp series. CLEARLY THE MATCHUP IS BROKEN!
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These games had nothing to do with practice and everything with mindset. MC was off today, usually his strategies work because he can get into the mind of the opponent.
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On July 19 2011 20:09 HolyArrow wrote:
HongUn needs to win the GSL so he can afford wrist surgery. IT'S PERFECT.
He said that progaming was his "second dream" so he doesn't have the motivation anyway
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On July 19 2011 20:07 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:05 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 Dartego wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 starcraft2rush wrote:
NESTEA FIRST 3 TIME CHAMPION..THE FIRST SC2 BONJWA bomber will stop him No he won't. Nestea is going to show everyone why Bomber's TvZ is considered shit. Only Byun would put up a good fight from the other bracket. Really? (checks Bombers vZ) 14-5 (73.68%) Yep, he's pretty shit. P.S. I know Bomber lost to Nestea. MC lost to HongUn, we going to class PvP as MC's worst MU now?
I'll take Bomber's own words over stats. Oh Destiny and Moon can beat Bomber,
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On July 19 2011 20:09 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:08 DystopiaX wrote:On July 19 2011 20:06 justinpal wrote:On July 19 2011 20:05 JoeSchmoe wrote:
love to see the reaction when hongun beats nestea Congrats [insert other finalist]. The community needs results to smash them in the face with a sledgehammer before they mean anything. And the thing is that Hongun wasn't particularly impressive last week...his PvP may be good but I doubt that his PvZ is good enough to beat Nestea. PvZ is his best MU, just saying
There is no way that Nestea is going to lose a Bo5 to 2 base gateway all-in every game.
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These PvP series are pretty meh. Blizzard tells some times ago that they will fix the 4 gate issue but they didn't do anything.Guess we'll have to wait until HOTS to have a (hopefully) playable matchup...
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Its not a QQ bout' MC loosing , its a QQ about how fucked up the PVP State is .... if he lost to a Z or a T i wouldn't QQ but this is..
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On July 19 2011 20:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:09 Medrea wrote:On July 19 2011 20:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 19 2011 14:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:
double 3-0s tonight, unless nestea plays like he does on the ladder and loses a game to "feign weakness" What awful predictions. I'll give you the Nestea one, but MC 3-0ing LOL YOU ARE FAIL Whoa easy there fella. My liquibet season is not going too well. I am being hard on myself. Maybe I'll learn one day T_T
It was a reasonable bet man, don't lose heart :<
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My simple, lazy, and perhaps quite stupid solution: patch the game so that you can't research warp gate in a PvP.
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Just move the WP upgrade to council or whatever,this is not fun to watch or play...and no,i'm not a MC cryfan,but 4gate is embarrassing,you shouldn't be allowed to get so far into a tournament just cause you can execute 1 simple build.
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Hongun, first SC2 bonjwa.
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On July 19 2011 20:09 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:05 Belisarius wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 Espelz wrote:On July 19 2011 20:02 DoNotDisturb wrote:
And we present to you, our first ever 3-time GSL champion, Professor Tea. There is still Bomber in this Yeah, I feel like this isn't over. I'm actually kind of keen for apprentice versus master ZvZ in the final. That would be really awesome, especially cause I'm a fan of both of them so I'd be happy no matter who won :D
Bomber will get raped and butfucked bigtime by nestea. I dont event hink he will beat byun.
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On July 19 2011 20:10 lim1017 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 19:34 lunchforthesky wrote:On July 19 2011 19:33 lim1017 wrote:
this is what artosis was talking about on one of the recent SOTG i think. Players are becoming more greedy as the PvP metagame evolves from 4gate cause people have figured out anti 4gate builds, and as some people have said MC is sometimes a greedy player.
I think Hongun is just straight up 4 gating to punish him for this MC has four gated in both games. he ended up with 4 gates but he built extra probes. taldarim he had 4 extra probes i believe? 4 is a bit to greedy in a straight up 4gate vs 4gate
He had extra probes because he went for a build that usually results in a defensive 4gate but tried to be offensive with it. Poor execution by MC in that game, but we can't take it away from HongUn that he still played well enough to win the games he needed
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On July 19 2011 20:09 frogurt wrote:
When MC loses, the QQ is inevitable.
it's not real QQ bc it was a mirror. but a shitty mirror and it's not as great to watch if the first 5 stalkers win the game...hard to find arguements here.
dunno how to fix it though.
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On July 19 2011 20:07 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:06 Sernyl wrote:
MC ain't the god toss anymore.Oh well.
Those 4gates sure are exceptional. Yes he is. He's still easilly the best Protoss in the world, anyone can lose a game, nevermind in PvP. Even Flash loses games.
Losing a Bo5 is not losing a game. And PvP is not random, it's just his build couldn't even counter the standard in PvP.
MC is not that good at PvP and that shows he didn't deserve to win, period.
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On July 19 2011 20:10 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:09 HolyArrow wrote:
HongUn needs to win the GSL so he can afford wrist surgery. IT'S PERFECT. He said that progaming was his "second dream" so he doesn't have the motivation anyway
Well, even if it's his second dream, he's still in it and doing pretty well. Maybe his success here will make him reconsider. He has plenty of time - years and years ahead of him - to pursue his other dream.
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On July 19 2011 20:09 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:07 bittman wrote:On July 19 2011 20:05 Ysellian wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 Dartego wrote:On July 19 2011 20:03 starcraft2rush wrote:
NESTEA FIRST 3 TIME CHAMPION..THE FIRST SC2 BONJWA bomber will stop him No he won't. Nestea is going to show everyone why Bomber's TvZ is considered shit. Only Byun would put up a good fight from the other bracket. Really? (checks Bombers vZ) 14-5 (73.68%) Yep, he's pretty shit. P.S. I know Bomber lost to Nestea. MC lost to HongUn, we going to class PvP as MC's worst MU now? Not to mention Game 1 of Nestea v Bomber was anything but one sided. Game 2 was pretty one sided though, can't remember if bomber went for a failed cheese or what, but it was pretty quick.
Yeah I really don't understand people who think that series was a one-sided roflstomping. IMO, people just look at the results (2-0) and don't actually remember the games.
Game 1 was not one sided at all. Game 2 Bomber choked a bit and NesTea got lucky with some burrowed banelings.
I might be wrong about game 2 and feel free to correct me if I am, but game 1 was definitely not extremely one-sided.
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On July 19 2011 20:10 NotSoSerious wrote:
Just move the WP upgrade to council or whatever,this is not fun to watch or play...and no,i'm not a MC cryfan,but 4gate is embarrassing,you shouldn't be allowed to get so far into a tournament just cause you can execute 1 simple build.
This is impossible,cos zerg's larvae inject will steamroll us ,and some stim timings will demolish
It's like saying lets move larvae inject to be a lair upgrade.. RoFl
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On July 19 2011 20:10 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 20:09 HolyArrow wrote:
HongUn needs to win the GSL so he can afford wrist surgery. IT'S PERFECT. He said that progaming was his "second dream" so he doesn't have the motivation anyway
Yea. He said in his interview that he had "half given up" before this match. What is hongun like at his full power? I'm scared thinking about it
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