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On August 05 2011 02:03 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 01:54 Therg wrote:
I'm surprised so many people want Stephano and Brat_OK to be DQ-ed. This phenomena happens in big sports events as well. Rather blame the tournament structure than the players imo. Why is everyone saying this? Just because someone gets an opportunity to cheat does not mean it is OK to do so!! So are all of you the kind of person that would find a wallet on a street with money in it but also the owner identity, take the money and throw away the wallet?!
Cheat? No. In this case it is called strategy. Isn't it a strategy game? 
Anyway, random brackets to fix the tournament.
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On August 05 2011 02:15 flowSthead wrote:
Does the bracket seem wrong to anyone else on liquipedia? According to the OP, TLO should be playing Dimaga, and Sjow should be playing Bischu (A1 vs D2, D1 vs A2)?
EDIT: I would fix it, but I don't know whether the liquipedia is wrong or the OP.
Usually I'd say take a look at the original source...
http://tournaments.peliliiga.fi/summer11/tournaments/9/brackets/7
but this doesn't seem to be too reliable either
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On August 05 2011 02:14 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:05 coko wrote:On August 05 2011 02:04 Exarl25 wrote:On August 05 2011 02:02 coko wrote:Are you not entertained?Seriously enough QQ. Can't be bothered to defend players from those arguing WIN WIN WIN. FUN FUN FUN IMO. FUN WIN FUN. or WIN FUN WIN. Seems fine to me. At least they didn't just instantly leave. And for the rules against it. You can't. I mean by that rule Idra should of be DQ'd for leaving against MMA because he was winning and left. Was he trying to avoid the next player he'd meet? No. Clearly not. Yes you could argue that you know why they are doing what they are doing. But you cannot say for certain they are playing to lose. They are playing to be crazy imo. In IdrA's case throwing his games against MMA would make absolutely no sense and could not possibly benefit him in any fashion. It was also clearly unintentional. In this case they were obviously throwing games, anyone could see it. You cannot possibly believe that it wasn't the case. What I am arguing is that how can you have a code in the rules of the game that can tell the difference. Saying. "Obviously it is different" isn't enough. Do you go super strong with the rules and DQ people in grey-situations as well? Is that good for the sport? Exactly, the problem you run into then is that next time this happens they just have to be lass obvious about. Was he really not looking when that medivac flew over the spore crawler instead of turning around. This player didn't take his third when he normally does or he got supplu capped 10 times that game. In this case yes it is obvious but the this tournament bracket can cause all games played in these situations to be subject. Would we rather both players have pretended to play there hardest while really trying to lose the game? Remember who was it nada vs Idra I think it was in the GSL where Idra 3-0d the group, but it was because Nada went for this very weird thor attack, I hate rules that are not carefully defined because then you have admin's forced to try to make different calls and split the community on both sides.
Yeah, perfect example. Especially since Nada would have gone into a teamkill if he had won. Even in post-game interviews, Idra was like, yeah, I think he threw it, and Nada admitted that he was playing with an outdated strat he wasn't sure would work. Grounds for DQ? After all, Nada wasn't playing to win.
This argument is stupid. At least we got entertainment out of the games this way. Who would have rather watched a fucking terrible series with both sides trying to throw the game carefully? Mis-micro and bad macro doesn't sound like fun to me... Either way, the games would have been shit, because neither would have wanted to win. How can you play with your full ability when you know that winning would be bad for you? It's squarely upon the tournament structure that this happened.
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On August 05 2011 02:18 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:15 flowSthead wrote:
Does the bracket seem wrong to anyone else on liquipedia? According to the OP, TLO should be playing Dimaga, and Sjow should be playing Bischu (A1 vs D2, D1 vs A2)?
EDIT: I would fix it, but I don't know whether the liquipedia is wrong or the OP. Usually I'd say take a look at the original source... http://tournaments.peliliiga.fi/summer11/tournaments/9/brackets/7but this doesn't seem to be too reliable either
Lol, according to that one Sen is playing himself. Well, at least that way Sen makes it to the next round.
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On August 05 2011 02:16 Dexx wrote:
Being a true competitor must always be enforce in every sport and must prevail over business sense. Throwing games is the worst imaginable thing. Saviour et all did it for the money to. That was on betting lines and this one is to have better chances to advance and go to the money spots (Welmu and Sen is a huge difference. Sorry, no offense to Welmu, but that is a fact)
Could you imagine the outcry in your country during Football WC, if your country threw a game to getting a better opponent in the Ro8? The players would be crucified in Germany. Lol.
Germany has fucking done it in pool football play before. What are you talking about? Someone else already mentioned the example in this thread.
This happens in every major sport, and it's happened in BW and CS as well. What do you think football teams are doing when they rest their star players in a local league match, so they'll be ready for an upcoming CL match?
And enough about the "spirit of competition" when we're watching an Invitational tournament.
EDIT: There's no collusion going on here, it's hardly comparable to something like sAviOr's match fixing. It's two players trying to better their chances later on in the tournament.
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On August 05 2011 02:16 Dexx wrote:
Being a true competitor must always be enforce in every sport and must prevail over business sense. Throwing games is the worst imaginable thing. Saviour et all did it for the money to. That was on betting lines and this one is to have better chances to advance and go to the money spots (Welmu and Sen is a huge difference. Sorry, no offense to Welmu, but that is a fact)
Could you imagine the outcry in your country during Football WC, if your country threw a game to getting a better opponent in the Ro8? The players would be crucified in Germany. Lol.
Wow. This post is hurting e-sports. You just compared the matchfixing scandal to throwing games for a better draw. Seriously?! Not to mention, it's like you totally don't realize that this exact same scenario happens a lot in sports as well. Rofl, you think a country that had a choice between facing Brazil and, say, China would rather face Brazil? And that their country would love them for it? Your naivete is astonishing.
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So what happened now? Just got here. Someone fill me in on the stephano/brat_ok situation?
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stup this stupid argue plz  with the "dq if it seems you want to lose" they had to dq TLO every game cause the style bratok played vs stephano is tlo's standard game 
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On August 05 2011 02:10 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:05 coko wrote:On August 05 2011 02:04 Exarl25 wrote:On August 05 2011 02:02 coko wrote:Are you not entertained?Seriously enough QQ. Can't be bothered to defend players from those arguing WIN WIN WIN. FUN FUN FUN IMO. FUN WIN FUN. or WIN FUN WIN. Seems fine to me. At least they didn't just instantly leave. And for the rules against it. You can't. I mean by that rule Idra should of be DQ'd for leaving against MMA because he was winning and left. Was he trying to avoid the next player he'd meet? No. Clearly not. Yes you could argue that you know why they are doing what they are doing. But you cannot say for certain they are playing to lose. They are playing to be crazy imo. In IdrA's case throwing his games against MMA would make absolutely no sense and could not possibly benefit him in any fashion. It was also clearly unintentional. In this case they were obviously throwing games, anyone could see it. You cannot possibly believe that it wasn't the case. What I am arguing is that how can you have a code in the rules of the game that can tell the difference. Saying. "Obviously it is different" isn't enough. Do you go super strong with the rules and DQ people in grey-situations as well? Is that good for the sport? Obviously it would be left up to the admins discretion. Same way wins are sometimes awarded to players after a disconnect situation. In a case like this I think the players would be very, very hard pressed to come up with a reasonable explanation for why they would play in such a fashion if they were trying to win. Not a single person here with a functional brain thinks they were playing seriously, that is more than enough for an admin to make a decision. There is no grey here at all.
It depends on what is meant by "sabotaging" a game. I couldn't find specifics about what that means.
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Throwing a game is not being a good sportsman. Sure it might be better for your tournament placement, but it shows you don't have the drive to win whatever the cost. Not to mention that it is disrespectful to Sarens, the audience, and the tournament, not to mention the other players who didn't make it into the brackets.
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Is Huk's group being played in 30 mins?
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On August 05 2011 02:22 ZAiNs wrote:
Is Huk's group being played in 30 mins?
1 hour and 30 mn.
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No offense to Satiini and biGs but they don't have the level to defeat Sen, so does it matters after all who got 1st place ?
On a side note, we did see again the stupidity of having goal average 4man pools. When there is a 3way, two people are left out even though one had defeated the 2nd placed player. So dumb ! I wish they would play tie-break more often.
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On August 05 2011 02:21 zergules wrote:
Throwing a game is not being a good sportsman. Sure it might be better for your tournament placement, but it shows you don't have the drive to win whatever the cost. Not to mention that it is disrespectful to Sarens, the audience, and the tournament, not to mention the other players who didn't make it into the brackets.
![[image loading]](http://www.frankfootball.com/twoguys/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/peyton-manning-super-bowl-trophy.jpg)
He disagrees with you.
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On August 05 2011 02:21 zergules wrote:
Throwing a game is not being a good sportsman. Sure it might be better for your tournament placement, but it shows you don't have the drive to win whatever the cost. Not to mention that it is disrespectful to Sarens, the audience, and the tournament, not to mention the other players who didn't make it into the brackets.
boo hoo, cry a river whiny Suzy. People are here to win, not to entertain zergules.
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On August 05 2011 02:21 CoR wrote:stup this stupid argue plz with the "dq if it seems you want to lose" they had to dq TLO every game cause the style bratok played vs stephano is tlo's standard game
First time on TL i loled irl.
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On August 05 2011 02:24 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:21 zergules wrote:
Throwing a game is not being a good sportsman. Sure it might be better for your tournament placement, but it shows you don't have the drive to win whatever the cost. Not to mention that it is disrespectful to Sarens, the audience, and the tournament, not to mention the other players who didn't make it into the brackets. boo hoo, cry a river whiny Suzy. People are here to win, not to entertain zergules.
Do you really think they're here to win if they're so confident in losing to SEn (a player they would have to face in the brackets soon enough anyway)?
I don't mind the series they played personally, but it's obvious neither of them believes they have any chance to go far in the tournament (or even hit 4th which is the lowest rank you get money for). It's a shame, but oh well.
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On August 05 2011 02:19 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:18 TBO wrote:On August 05 2011 02:15 flowSthead wrote:
Does the bracket seem wrong to anyone else on liquipedia? According to the OP, TLO should be playing Dimaga, and Sjow should be playing Bischu (A1 vs D2, D1 vs A2)?
EDIT: I would fix it, but I don't know whether the liquipedia is wrong or the OP. Usually I'd say take a look at the original source... http://tournaments.peliliiga.fi/summer11/tournaments/9/brackets/7but this doesn't seem to be too reliable either Lol, according to that one Sen is playing himself. Well, at least that way Sen makes it to the next round.
Actually, Sen has to play two opponents in two matches if i counted it right.
Well, shouldn't stop him in any way :p
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There are only to way to avoid this kind of thing: pick the bracket randomly (with seeds AFTER the pool play is finished), or use extended series. You can't DQ a player for this, especially as it looks that they were both trying to throw the game.
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On August 05 2011 02:26 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 02:24 sekritzzz wrote:On August 05 2011 02:21 zergules wrote:
Throwing a game is not being a good sportsman. Sure it might be better for your tournament placement, but it shows you don't have the drive to win whatever the cost. Not to mention that it is disrespectful to Sarens, the audience, and the tournament, not to mention the other players who didn't make it into the brackets. boo hoo, cry a river whiny Suzy. People are here to win, not to entertain zergules. Do you really think they're here to win if they're so confident in losing to SEn (a player they would have to face in the brackets soon enough anyway)? I don't mind the series they played personally, but it's obvious neither of them believes they have any chance to go far in the tournament. It's a shame, but oh well.
Are you playing dumb or just oblivious to who Brat_Ok or Stephano are?
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