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ASUS ROG Tournament - ASSEMBLY Summer 2011 - Page 24

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Stay positive, be happy and enjoy the event. Caster bashing and player bashing? Too much whining? Uh-oh!
Nivity
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden371 Posts
August 04 2011 11:46 GMT
#461
If ZvZ is all about luck then nestea gotta buy lottery tickets 24/7 and become the worlds richest nerdballer.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
August 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#462
Also, getting sick to death of this Bundaberg ad, anyone else getting it? or is it just the Australians getting this particular ad?
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Gargara
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 11:49:27
August 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#463
OK, everybody hold on... it's the first time I see TotalBiscuit... in my head it looked different.

On a serious note: DeathAngel were art thou?
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#464
DIMAGA so good it hurts ;(
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
August 04 2011 11:47 GMT
#465
Still the same Dimaga we saw in GSL WC :D

Man I hope I can see more from him.........
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
August 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#466
Voidrays! Voidrays!

Anyway, I want Dimaga to get back to his crushing best.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
August 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#467
On August 04 2011 20:47 bennyaus wrote:
Also, getting sick to death of this Bundaberg ad, anyone else getting it? or is it just the Australians getting this particular ad?

Haven't seen a single ad here in Oslo, Norway.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#468
Sen is seriously way too damn good.
Pirat6662001
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation949 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#469
Too bad Dimaga is under terrible management and didnt get into NASL or other big leagues
So.. this Earth, nice planet you might say- WRONG!!
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
August 04 2011 11:49 GMT
#470
On August 04 2011 20:47 Gargara wrote:
OK, everybody hold on... it's the first time I see TotalBiscuit... in my head it looked different.


top hat + monocle?
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 11:53:48
August 04 2011 11:50 GMT
#471
On August 04 2011 20:36 Shirohige wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:30 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:10 Pirat6662001 wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:05 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:43 bgx wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:25 BackSideAttack wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:16 bgx wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:08 Jakkerr wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:04 hewley wrote:
On August 04 2011 19:00 Jakkerr wrote:
[quote]

Ah, that's why a lot of progamers are getting demotivated to even go to LANS.
I have allready heard on multiple streams from the best players in the world:
'Why bother to go to that tourney, theres like 5 koreans coming'


yeah why bother practicing, why can't they just hand us our checks and prizes
see what I did there...


Ur missing the point though, I don't say they should do that at all.
But at the moment it just feels like people from a division lower are competing vs people they are never gonna beat in this situation anyway, mostly because for 90% of those people it's simply not possible to practice 10-12 hours a day since they need to make a living too.
I don't think the foreign scene will get any better from getting stomped by koreans on every occasion.

oh stop it

for all of them its a job, they still get paid, they still win online cups, if they want to get bigger piece of pie they need to step up their game and win vs decent opponents, the difference is NOT that big, and top foreigners already proved it by taking games/series, its just their dedication limiting them, its funny because it shouldnt be the case when it is their freaking job to be the best its not about their mood to compete with koreans

if we isolate foreigner tournaments from Korea the difference will be even bigger and every international tournament gonna get stomped (see BW)



The mentality that the difference is not that big was valid during Beta and has slowly been disproved as time goes on. After MLG just had top 6 Koreans and a number 7 Korean trained foreigner, you really can't say the gap isn't THAT big. Also if you look at a lot of the games that foreigners took off of Koreans at recent tournaments, they are mostly cause of luck. For example:

1. Sjow took a game off of July by transitioning to dual port banshee after getting banneling busted and taking heavy damage
2. Losira losing a game to Incontrol playing with only a mouse.
3. MMA losing a game to Drewbie when it was lagging really hard.

And if you want to take into consideration online play, Koreans still roll foreigners WITH lag.


The players you mentioned arent even the top3 in their own countries, of course it were flukes, i meant that there are players much better who are underperforming. What we want now is example of foreigners beating koreans. Isolation means insta-defeat. At least put up a fight.

Of course you can see the results and see that Koreans are far cry above foreigners but when you see the games, its not that scary as you portray.


I only mentioned those examples because they were some of the few times foreigners took games off of the Koreans. In particular, I used the prior examples because results aren't everything; even though the foreigners won the game, it was due to outside factors, or luck. If you only want to look at Top 3 players, then the reality becomes even more grim.

1. Losira and MMA both 2-0 Naniwa
2. Boxer 2-0s Idra, Zenio 4-0 against Idra.
3. MVP 2-0s Select
4. Ret loses to MMA 2-0
5. KiwiKaki losing to Ganzi 2-0

If Top Foreigners can't even beat mediocre Koreans like Boxer, Ganzi, Zenio, or even Moon, how can you say the gap isn't huge.

The closest thing to a competitive game you have is Thorzain vs MC (4-2 in favor of MC) and ever since after MLG Columbus, Thorzain hasn't accomplished anything.

White-Ra has been doing quite well vs mc. lost 4-3 in dreamhack for example


Thats not a recent result, the gap is a lot bigger now. Also Whitera got quite lucky against MC, like managing to sneak that probe into MC's base in front of his army.

Dude, what are you trying to argue here? "the gap is a lot bigger now"? What does that even mean? Be a little more specific. It all depends on the foreigners you are talking about, there a huge differences in foreigners. Using them all under one term is just wrong and unfair. If you don't recognize this, you have a problem.

There are definetly some foreigners who can keep up with the koreans, but most can not, they are still the exception. That much should be obvious for everyone and there are good examples for that.

What more is there to discuss?


The gap is a lot bigger now than it was during beta and during the Open GSL seasons. The gap has been increasing as better players started switching over, and current players started developing new builds and new ways to utilize their mechanics. The results of the latest MLG prove this point.

No Foreigner WITHOUT Korean training can compete with the Koreans right now other than maybe Naniwa. Thorzain can't be losing to players like TSL_Revival in a lag-filled online tournament and still expect to be considered on par. Even with Naniwa, he's been 50/50 with players like Moon, who is neither in Code A nor focusing on SC2 full time.
Morta
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 11:51:40
August 04 2011 11:51 GMT
#472
Spawning on lost temple?The maps so imba for Terran!

All right GLHF! :D


<3 those songs.
if i'am sad i stop being sad and play starcraft 2 instead.True Story.
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
August 04 2011 11:51 GMT
#473
Sen is such a beast, would love to see Nada vs Sen
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#474
On August 04 2011 20:49 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Too bad Dimaga is under terrible management and didnt get into NASL or other big leagues

Dimaga didn't get into NASL because he submitted his video too late. Not sure whether it was his fault or his management's fault.
Tribuno
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy261 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#475
dimaga should play more offline events.. he' s really great.
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#476
On August 04 2011 20:45 Pirat6662001 wrote:
Dimaga is 6-0, but against average opponents. Still, will we see his first title?

I'm hoping so, he's one of the zergs I'm a fan of, along with Nestea.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
plutonowy
Profile Joined August 2011
Afghanistan287 Posts
August 04 2011 11:52 GMT
#477
wow sen or nada will win this cup
just 2-3 levels above others tbh
gg gl
Fan of gomtv code s. Best SC2. KR >>>ALL Tasteless + Artosis >>>ALL
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#478
On August 04 2011 20:50 BackSideAttack wrote:

The gap is a lot bigger now than it was during beta and during the Open GSL seasons. The gap has been increasing as better players started switching over, and current players started developing new builds and new ways to utilize their mechanics. The results of the latest MLG prove this point.

No Foreigner WITHOUT Korean training can compete with the Koreans right now other than maybe Naniwa. Thorzain can't be losing to players like TSL_Revival in a lag-filled online tournament and still expect to be considered on par. Even with Naniwa, he's been 50/50 with players like Moon, who is neither in Code A nor focusing on SC2 full time.

Obviously


Interesting example given that FXOtgun knocked out TSLRevival 2-0 in the qualifiers yesterday, and qxc all-killed IM. I mean, even though they both have Korean training and I'm a huge fan, I still am not stupid enough to just outright say that Thorzain/Nani couldn't match their feats or surpass them.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
August 04 2011 11:53 GMT
#479
Sen bossing it again.

MLG is zerg massacre but today is zerg holiday :D

Dimaga, Sen, Morrow.......Makes me a happy man.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
August 04 2011 11:54 GMT
#480
I can't believe I forgot about this tournament. Sad to see GoOdy couldn't make it

Gogo DarKFoRcE & TLO !!!!
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
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