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Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 12 2011 12:14 GMT
#2041
TOP floating an orbital to his natural, building a 3rd cc
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
July 12 2011 12:14 GMT
#2042
On July 12 2011 21:13 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:11 tuestresfat wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:09 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why is everyone hating on the previous series... it was really good

not everyone likes watching a player build up a massive lead and proceed to throw it away

sounds like a lot of hurt clide fans to me...

trust me, i am the furthest thing from a fan of clide. never have been, and never will be.

not hating, i'm just not a fan o.o
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 12:14 GMT
#2043
On July 12 2011 21:13 tuestresfat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:10 Medrea wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:09 tuestresfat wrote:
Korean Girl: I am Losira!
Doa: No you're not!

LOL idk y that made me laugh pretty hard


You mean wolf?

thanks for the spot


yeah theres a DoA article around. Also I guess they are kind of similar. Kind of.
twitch.tv/medrea
Godstorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania845 Posts
July 12 2011 12:14 GMT
#2044
Losira insane drone count lol 61.
"It's not that he's dumb, he's just neural parasited by a retarded infestor"-Day 9
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2045
On July 12 2011 21:10 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:08 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:03 tuestresfat wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:00 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:58 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:55 Kitaen wrote:
perfect example how you can still win as p vs t with 2 bases short, due to end game army

Yeah, by outmicroing and outmacroing the shit out of your opponent... ie playing better


outMACROing? 4 vs 2 bases? have you every tried playing vs a protoss who is 2 bases ahead? no micro/macro or terran army in this world will every make this possible

well if the toss constantly threw away resources and only made tier 1 units, i think it's possible to win down 2bases.



well did you see him throw away mass marine any time? he was patently waiting for a good engage, never happened on this map

the point is, he didn't even fuck up with bad emp's or sloppy mmm/viking controll and still gets crushed by stalker/chargelot/archon/templar/colossi

the only thing i can think of is going tanks to controll those choke points, but yet then again, he had lots of phoenix at the start countering exactely this aswell as drops


Oh yes he did, Clide repeatedly stood in storms, failed to emp templar + the rest of the army, or utilize his mobility at all once the lategame hit.


how do you avoid getting stormed on this map? emp templars which are behind a deathball?

i don't think his micro is bad, actually its pretty solid, and still thats the entire chance EVER to beat this? getting absolutely perfect engages/emps ALL game? and then you got one "only" semi good engage and a 200 supply protoss army is pushing towards your main like we saw (imaging he had those 2 colossi and 25 supply of warpgate units with him there lol - the ones he forgot at his 3rd)
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2046
Alright, at this point TOP is dead....when his early harass failed
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2047
On July 12 2011 21:06 mutantmagnet wrote:
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On July 12 2011 20:56 pretensile wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:47 pretensile wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:25 Dimagus wrote:
That build doesn't do nearly as well if the banshee attack is deflected.


People keep saying this all-in fails if the initial banshee attack doesn't do much damage, but I've seen it succeed even when a) the first banshee is defended perfectly and does almost no damage; b) the all-in is scouted, the expand is cancelled, and plenty of immortals are pumped out; c) the Terran engages in the worst possible convex against a pre-emptively split Protoss army who slices the army perfectly in half with force fields.

You can check out MarineKingPrime vs. Puzzle (who, last I heard, was a pretty decent Protoss!) in the FXO Korean KOTH #3, first game. Action starts at around 9:50.

http://www.justin.tv/fxopenesports/b/289875478

Puzzle actually defends the first wave of the all-in perfectly! (the only time I've seen it defended), but loses badly against MKP's second attempt at the all-in.

Personally, I don't see anything else Puzzle could have done better, but maybe someone more knowledgeable than myself can give pointers? As far as I can tell, the only solution is rushing colossi, but even then I'm not 100% sure.


Forgot to mention that MKP also forgot that siege mode existed, lol. It was basically the worst possible execution of the all-in against the best possible defense (sans colossi).



Geeze that was pretty ridiculous. Marines probably need to be deemphasized in their DPS and Marauders improved to make this build more gas heavy and potentially less reliable.


Having seen it:

- 4 inmortals seems bit too much to counter 3 tanks, better invest into more gateway units.
- Scvs are pulled with the all in, loses badly AND at the end they are even in worker count = He cutted probes, so he wasn't THAT ahead
- Attacked into T just to lose more than half of the army, not the best trade for sure.


These are some of the things that went wrong for P and shouldn't happen.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2048
Mutas out for Losira, expanding to his 3rd, getting a baneling nest
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 12:16:17
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2049
Lol Losira like perfectly blind countered reactor hellion into banshee into expand with his massive droning behind a couple spores & spines. If Top had followed up with a tank rine banshee push he would've had a free win - nice metagaming by Losira?
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
July 12 2011 12:15 GMT
#2050
wow, what was the HP on that hatch?
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 12 2011 12:16 GMT
#2051
On July 12 2011 21:15 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:10 Dfgj wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:08 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:03 tuestresfat wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:00 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:58 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:55 Kitaen wrote:
perfect example how you can still win as p vs t with 2 bases short, due to end game army

Yeah, by outmicroing and outmacroing the shit out of your opponent... ie playing better


outMACROing? 4 vs 2 bases? have you every tried playing vs a protoss who is 2 bases ahead? no micro/macro or terran army in this world will every make this possible

well if the toss constantly threw away resources and only made tier 1 units, i think it's possible to win down 2bases.



well did you see him throw away mass marine any time? he was patently waiting for a good engage, never happened on this map

the point is, he didn't even fuck up with bad emp's or sloppy mmm/viking controll and still gets crushed by stalker/chargelot/archon/templar/colossi

the only thing i can think of is going tanks to controll those choke points, but yet then again, he had lots of phoenix at the start countering exactely this aswell as drops


Oh yes he did, Clide repeatedly stood in storms, failed to emp templar + the rest of the army, or utilize his mobility at all once the lategame hit.


how do you avoid getting stormed on this map? emp templars which are behind a deathball?

i don't think his micro is bad, actually its pretty solid, and still thats the entire chance EVER to beat this? getting absolutely perfect engages/emps ALL game? and then you got one "only" semi good engage and a 200 supply protoss army is pushing towards your main like we saw (imaging he had those 2 colossi and 25 supply of warpgate units with him there lol - the ones he forgot at his 3rd)


That map has a lot of side corriders and stuff you can use to glank with EMPs and the like.
twitch.tv/medrea
Alric
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia517 Posts
July 12 2011 12:16 GMT
#2052
Hah changeling morph range < tank range.
"...he drew from his robe one of the five Eblis Stones, and for a few moments it made him an equal of Balor. The rest of the Legion was sacrificed... to give us time to take Balor's head."
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 12 2011 12:16 GMT
#2053
On July 12 2011 21:15 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:10 Dfgj wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:08 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:03 tuestresfat wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:00 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:58 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:55 Kitaen wrote:
perfect example how you can still win as p vs t with 2 bases short, due to end game army

Yeah, by outmicroing and outmacroing the shit out of your opponent... ie playing better


outMACROing? 4 vs 2 bases? have you every tried playing vs a protoss who is 2 bases ahead? no micro/macro or terran army in this world will every make this possible

well if the toss constantly threw away resources and only made tier 1 units, i think it's possible to win down 2bases.



well did you see him throw away mass marine any time? he was patently waiting for a good engage, never happened on this map

the point is, he didn't even fuck up with bad emp's or sloppy mmm/viking controll and still gets crushed by stalker/chargelot/archon/templar/colossi

the only thing i can think of is going tanks to controll those choke points, but yet then again, he had lots of phoenix at the start countering exactely this aswell as drops


Oh yes he did, Clide repeatedly stood in storms, failed to emp templar + the rest of the army, or utilize his mobility at all once the lategame hit.


how do you avoid getting stormed on this map? emp templars which are behind a deathball?

i don't think his micro is bad, actually its pretty solid, and still thats the entire chance EVER to beat this? getting absolutely perfect engages/emps ALL game? and then you got one "only" semi good engage and a 200 supply protoss army is pushing towards your main like we saw (imaging he had those 2 colossi and 25 supply of warpgate units with him there lol - the ones he forgot at his 3rd)

Clide's reaction time and micro to get out of storms was abysmal in both games 1 and 3. There is no way you can call his micro good in those games at all. He played terrible, and that's how Tester caught up.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 12 2011 12:16 GMT
#2054
Is today sloppy day ?
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2055
Losira attacks 2 missile turrets and loses a few mutas but kills them
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2056
Gah. Wasted a bit of Muta there.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2057
Mutas killing banshees and vikings
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2058
On July 12 2011 21:16 MrCon wrote:
Is today sloppy day ?

All i need is a sloppy joe and some sloppy seconds and i'll sleep well tonight.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2059
On July 12 2011 21:15 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:10 Dfgj wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:08 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:03 tuestresfat wrote:
On July 12 2011 21:00 Kitaen wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:58 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
On July 12 2011 20:55 Kitaen wrote:
perfect example how you can still win as p vs t with 2 bases short, due to end game army

Yeah, by outmicroing and outmacroing the shit out of your opponent... ie playing better


outMACROing? 4 vs 2 bases? have you every tried playing vs a protoss who is 2 bases ahead? no micro/macro or terran army in this world will every make this possible

well if the toss constantly threw away resources and only made tier 1 units, i think it's possible to win down 2bases.



well did you see him throw away mass marine any time? he was patently waiting for a good engage, never happened on this map

the point is, he didn't even fuck up with bad emp's or sloppy mmm/viking controll and still gets crushed by stalker/chargelot/archon/templar/colossi

the only thing i can think of is going tanks to controll those choke points, but yet then again, he had lots of phoenix at the start countering exactely this aswell as drops


Oh yes he did, Clide repeatedly stood in storms, failed to emp templar + the rest of the army, or utilize his mobility at all once the lategame hit.


how do you avoid getting stormed on this map? emp templars which are behind a deathball?

i don't think his micro is bad, actually its pretty solid, and still thats the entire chance EVER to beat this? getting absolutely perfect engages/emps ALL game? and then you got one "only" semi good engage and a 200 supply protoss army is pushing towards your main like we saw (imaging he had those 2 colossi and 25 supply of warpgate units with him there lol - the ones he forgot at his 3rd)

Yes you EMP templars. You can EMP a templar before they storm you and Clide missed some huge opportunities to EMP every Templar Trickster had. His Nuke's were worse for him because it just gave Trickster a ridiculous number of storms.
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
July 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2060
This looks like the day that Terrans lost.
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