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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10781
On July 10 2011 11:09 sermokala wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


But its MC and the new age ogs pvz is wicked upstopable. Its what huk used to beat moon.


You mean...a 4 gate

(I kid I kid)
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10782
On July 10 2011 11:08 Weson wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I think he will =) Are you in? then its you and me vs the world
No man, MC got this but I commend you for your choice nevertheless
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10783
On July 10 2011 11:08 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:05 Kuni wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:02 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 Kuni wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:59 tsuxiit wrote:
I like how the person who might win the finals didn't even play in the league....



pretty much this .... :-/
he's pretty awesome tho, but that's got nothing to do with it. poor ret. 10 hours flight for 15 minutes of sc2 games.


Well, if Ret had won, then that wouldn't have happened... it all depends on if you win or not to make traveling to and participating in a tournament worthwhile, no? Imagine if PuMa had lost instead of Ret. Then PuMa would also have had 10+ hours of flight for 15 minutes.



true, ret played a whole season of nasl tho and finished first in the overall statistics, if i am not mistaken. but my post wasn't mainly about ret. more like the format of nasl, which is (at least now in season 1) very flawed. just like the single elimination bo3 grand finals and the like.


No just think about it, if Ret is so good that he finished first in overall statistics during the league, what does that make Puma who eliminated him and is now in the grand final match?


Almost everything can happen in a bo3 single elimination, which is not always really meaningful. that's why the double elimination has become so popular these days.
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Hoonose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States132 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10784
On July 10 2011 11:09 Bobble wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


Considering that MCs PvZ is his weakest matchup, I agree. But come on, it's Kratos himself.


I'm sorry, but please refer to Mr. President with his real name, it's Barack.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10785
On July 10 2011 11:08 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I do and sort of hope he does althought darkforce winning it would be epic on a whole different level.

Dude, DarkForce already lost
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FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 10 2011 02:10 GMT
#10786
On July 10 2011 11:09 ribboo wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 Mawi wrote:
where is lindsay i miss her excellency

I dont think she is royalty, but what do I know

ESPORTS royalty.

got me there!
Do you really want chat rooms?
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10787
Why does this horrible "american dreams" commercial run every 10 seconds 5 times in a row?

Anyone get adblock working? Which combination works? I remember FF4 + abp + easylist working but now it doesn't.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10788
On July 10 2011 11:09 Bobble wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


Considering that MCs PvZ is his weakest matchup, I agree. But come on, it's Kratos himself.


wait since when did PvZ become his weakest matchup?
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10789
rooting for sen fo sho
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10790
On July 10 2011 11:08 FLuE wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:00 Zanno wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:57 FLuE wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:53 Callosum wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:51 don_kyuhote wrote:
So this so called "16th seed" made it to the final.
I feel sorry for Ret.


Yea, not Puma's fault at all, he's playing awesome, but the league championship should have been closed to league members only. Otherwise there's not much incentive to be in the league.


First off, Ret would have had to beat him, or a very good player at some point. With how Ret played there were probably only 4-5 players he was going to beat out of the 16 so if it wasn't out in the first round it would have been the 2nd.

Also, in the league you are competing for 15 possible spots. Not in the league you are trying to fight through a massive talented open bracket that is single elimination for 1 spot. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that you'd want to be in the league, not to mention the notoriety of having weekly matches broadcast which makes sponsors happy and helps grow your name and brand.

Bah, shouldn't have even responded to comments. Either you aren't thinking through anything, or I'm getting trolled. Either way wasn't worth the time.
it sets a bad precedent though

if puma wins then other pros will be like oh well i'm not going to waste my time playing in the league i'll just play in the open and if i can beat everyone in that, then i'll be unstoppable in the tournament

you have to understand there's a finite number of hours in the day, and NASL is a huge time-sink for no potential reward, time that could better be spent streaming or playing in smaller cups


Actually that is a horrible way to think of it and NO pro would think that way. The NASL isn't a time sink, it is 1 day a week and a BO3. You are WAY better off playing in the NASL, for a chance at 50k, plus publicity which will grow your streams, brands, lessons for players, etc. than winning a bunch of 100-500 dollar cups. Just being on the NASL and seen, getting interviewed, hyped each week, etc. that is all a big deal. I think if you asked all the NASL players if they benefited from being in the league, even the ones that didn't win much, they'd all say def. I bet if you asked them, "Hey you can play in the league again, OR try to win a single elimination open bracket full of Koreans and other top gamers, which would you like to do?"

Seriously, read through what you actually wrote, It doesn't set a bad precedent at all. If anything it might have players who think they are better than Puma try to get into the league, so they would have an easier shot at securing 1 of those 15 spots and win the whole thing.

And just because you win the open doesn't mean you'll be unstoppable at an event that has some of the best talent in the world. He just happens to be playing really well.


it is a huge time sink for the top players like mc and naniwa. those people get invited to all the best tournies anyways and they have to wake up at odd times and play with latency (a huge disadvantage that becomes apparent when even class A koreans dominate lans)

Id say nasl is great for not so well known players because they get to expose themselves but itd be foolish to not see how it could be annoyingly long for some people.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10791
On July 10 2011 11:09 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:08 Weson wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I think he will =) Are you in? then its you and me vs the world

I just think MC is too good, the only way to take him down is PvP


And PvT with Bomber with tank/marine/raven/banshee/scv all-ins that kind of bullshit. Macro game against MC your doomed!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10792
On July 10 2011 11:09 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:08 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I do and sort of hope he does althought darkforce winning it would be epic on a whole different level.


Why would it be? They're both foreign Zergs.


Sen and IdrA and MorroW are pretty much the only really known foreign zergs

Nerchio, Dimaga, Darkforce, etc are all good but have not stood out and are not talked about much right now

Darkforce would be an underdog win
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10793
The LEGEND of JULY does not apply overseas unfortunately.

Rooting for MC to take this PuMa.
Someone call down the Thunder?
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10794
On July 10 2011 11:09 Yaotzin wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

MC manhandled him at DH, and Puma probably would too. Anythings possible but he's a huge underdog.


And let's not forget that MC's vs Zerg is very strong.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10795
On July 10 2011 11:10 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:08 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.

I do and sort of hope he does althought darkforce winning it would be epic on a whole different level.

Dude, DarkForce already lost

oh, missed that

damnit
Do you really want chat rooms?
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10796
On July 10 2011 11:09 MechKing wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 Dommk wrote:

On July 10 2011 11:06 Alkior wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 Daralii wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Funny how this "terran president" is in code B, gimme a fucking break.

Plenty of incredible players in Code B, dude. Sage, BoxeR, MMA, DRG, etc.


MMA is code B?!? wow, I really need to keep up.


Who the hell is sage?


As of now, looks to be the second best Protoss in Korea. Even MC was impressed by his play during the GSTL

Second best protoss in korea? Are you serious?

He's sick man. Could might as well be THE best korean protoss imo, although he's pvp seems a little bit shaky.
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10797
On July 10 2011 11:10 Hoonose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:09 Bobble wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:07 figq wrote:
It's funny how no one really considers that Sen could win the tournament.


Considering that MCs PvZ is his weakest matchup, I agree. But come on, it's Kratos himself.


I'm sorry, but please refer to Mr. President with his real name, it's Barack.


2'rax Obama?
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10798
On July 10 2011 11:09 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:07 Dommk wrote:

On July 10 2011 11:06 Alkior wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 KimJongChill wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:03 Daralii wrote:
On July 10 2011 11:01 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Funny how this "terran president" is in code B, gimme a fucking break.

Plenty of incredible players in Code B, dude. Sage, BoxeR, MMA, DRG, etc.


MMA is code B?!? wow, I really need to keep up.


Who the hell is sage?


As of now, looks to be the second best Protoss in Korea. Even MC was impressed by his play during the GSTL

Second best protoss in korea? Are you serious?

Assuming his performance in GSTL wasn't a fluke, he's definitely in the top 5 if not the top 3. His army control could use some work, but he's pretty damn amazing.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
starcraft2rush
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10799
On July 10 2011 11:08 HolyArrow wrote:
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On July 10 2011 11:07 iamthedave wrote:
I think people bandwagon hop a bit too often. Puma's had a good run, that doesn't make him the best Terran in the world. MMA won MLG then got hammered in GSL. Puma may win NASL but he hasn't made much impact in GSL either.

MVP's lost a lot of his shine, but I still think at his best he's the current Terran President.


Got hammered? He made it to the ST Finals... that's pretty impressive. And then he proceeded to lose to a very strong Toss player in his worst matchup. Not really indicative of anything at all.


MMA got hyped up too soon. Sure he owned a bunch of foreigners at MLG but he got 4-0'd in the ST by Polt . in addition he let his team down in the recent GSTL. I can't remember what else but there have been a few others..in fact I have not witnessed MMA winning a match since MLG Columbus.
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
July 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#10800
On July 10 2011 11:04 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 11:02 nufcrulz wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:59 LetoAtreides82 wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:56 nufcrulz wrote:
On July 10 2011 10:48 Zanno wrote:
ha

imagine what a great insult it would be to all the league players, who spent weeks and weeks playing matches to qualify for the finals, if the open bracket winner takes the entire tournament


which is why they should close the finals to league players only..


That's retarded. If Puma's good enough to go through a tough open tournament and beat the best league players at the finals tournament, that just means he would have gotten to the finals anyways.


how is it retarded. its supposed to be a league, why is it retarded to expect an actual player from the league to win the event. fine Puma won the open tournament, so place him into the league next season.


The league is for 15 spots in the finals, the open tournament is for just 1 spot in the finals. This was always known.


Did he act like it WASN'T known? He's just saying it's dumb, and I kind of agree. Not to take anything away from Puma, he's just doing his best and who can blame him? That said, it kinda takes away from the regular season if someone from the open wins. Perhaps NASL should just consider getting rid of the whole "one person from the open advances to the main bracket" rule?
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