On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
That so-called honor is misguided. Those who think that there is virtue in avoiding one-base play are crippling themselves, by playing just part of the game and not the whole game. There is a difference between those who are learning to play and those at the top of the ladder. When learning to play, there is an advantage in making a tentative agreement not to all-in. The players who have already developed solid mechanics have no use for the agreement.
On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
Lol I guess you're from the idra school of thought of please don't attack me for 15 mins and let me macro up to 200 and then we can fight..pretty please?
On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
pls direct me to this honor based foreign scene so i can stop getting cheesed and 1 based on ladder so much
On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
I'm sorry...but '20 Minutes No Rush' doesn't apply in a tournament.
I also can't tell if you're trolling or being horribly ignorant. A 4gate is a 4gate, if you think foreigners don't 1 base...I don't know what games you've been watching.
On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
Wait so using non punishing build orders (could call them macro) and not using what the game gave you in term of strategies means honor? Might as well play No rush 10 games custom.
That wasn't my point, I think people should play to win.
That was pretty embarrassing play from Polt. His execution was off, his micro was sloppy, his openings were relatively uninspired, he didn't play to the strengths of the maps, and his reaction times were sluggish. Hack was solid but by no means impressive; his opponent hung himself.
On July 03 2011 07:02 Nerchio wrote: If you think it's easy to scout but i think it's just people's opinion that usually don't have experience in the game. You need overlords at key locations on the map so you can't send them all around his base at start of the game. First game there was no possibility to scout it because i would need to fly over his whole base which obviously is not easy to do if your opponent is not bronze. Second game i got in with overlord, saw 3 gate and thought it's normal sentry expand. If i turned down - i would see nothing so i would die even harder. What you want me to do? Throw a coin and decide which way to go? Besides that when i am not able to scout everything perfectly i need to prepare for so many things it's not even funny: -Blink stalkers -DT's(you need lair) but it can turn into 4gate archon for which lair is uselss -4 gate nexus cancel -VoidRays
On the other hand i have to admit it's not so easy because there is not many players in europe/US with who i could train and would do such strategies(i literally never approached 2 quick void rays from 1 base). Edit addition: Players outside korea don't hide their tech so easily so when you didn't play koreans a lot you don't know what to expect and scouting that is REALLY hard.
There is a lot more honour amongst foreigners and generally a gentleman's agreement to play straight up most of the time.
Koreans don't believe in any of this and do whatever they think is most likely to win.
I'm sorry...but '20 Minutes No Rush' doesn't apply in a tournament.
I also can't tell if you're trolling or being horribly ignorant. A 4gate is a 4gate, if you think foreigners don't 1 base...I don't know what games you've been watching.
Cheese/one basing is much much less common in the professional EU/NA scene than it is in the Korean scene and as I said above that's not a good thing, people should play to win.
It's so awesome that the Koreans are participating, but it's a little depressing seeing foreigners fall so easily to them. 3/4 Koreans in the top 4 again? ^^
Maybe people will realize just how much harder they have to work.
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