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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans: Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing. Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:29 Femari wrote: lol speaking of HuK, he's in Killer's and Polt's group. when do the next games start? im not good with the foreign times. exactly 30 minutes. If you have set your timezone in your TL profile, the times in OP will be your time. | ||
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Nesquik
United Kingdom600 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote: No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ux8JL.jpg) And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. So you are saying that we won't have any African SC2 Programmers due to they average IQ being so low. | ||
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote: No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. I think its the most important part is that all[!] of the Koreans live in Teamhouse and have a Trainer. | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
At IEM only one series between foreigners and koreans was won by the foreigner (nani vs moon) and at dreamhack it is the same result again (okay huk still has a chance but..) many foreigners stay away of korea because they can attend many more tournaments in EU and NA and earn mor money but hey... this is not working since koreans are regularly invited overseas and own up these tournaments if foreigners want to keep up with the koreans they need to overthink their ways of practice... practice harder and maybe practice BETTER (just mass gaming is not everything) | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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PeggyHill
1494 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote: No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. Lol no it's not, its due to the SC culture Korea has in place. These kids grew up playing Starcraft, where many foreigners are ex WC3 pros. Also, your argument doesn't work as we are considering only the top few percent, not the average of the whole population. Even if Koreans are on average smarter than foreigeners, that doesn't mean the smartest foreigener isn't as smart as the smartest Korean. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:29 cuppatea wrote: No one is saying that the Koreans are genetically superior, just that their scene is much stronger than ours. Huk is part of the Korean scene and so him winning would only be further proof of that. I partly agree. The problem I have with this argument is people continue to ignore the fact that Huk's practice isn't the same as the Korean's. While he gets the same level atmosphere, the communication between Huk and the Korean players/managers/coaches cannot be ideal. The practice just isn't the same when each Korean has every other Korean constantly analyzing and preparing in their native language. Huk doesn't have that benefit. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:31 Nexic wrote: No it doesn't rofl, maybe what you're suggesting is true, but results from a single tournament don't prove that. MLG? Dreamhack Winter? IEM? This Dreamhack? It's already well known man. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote: No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. It is people like you that drag down the average IQ in Sweden. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:32 MrKn4rz wrote: I think its the most important part is that all[!] of the Koreans live in Teamhouse and have a Trainer. That's the politically correct explanation yes, but I don't think it's a good explanation. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:11 grobo wrote: Were you watching the same tournament as everyone else? He's been playing like SHIT the entire tournament? did you even see him vs Huk lol? What? Game 1 was very close, game 2 he lost to DT cheese.. | ||
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Day000
Belgium58 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:27 Nevuk wrote: Thorzain plays terran? Not trying to troll about balance, it just seems like Thorzain has been playing in a period of T stability/domination in general in the korean scene. It could be that koreans don't have ZvT and PvT as figured out as they do tvp/zvp/pvp on the current map pool. Also, Thorzain did beat Naniwa in a best of seven for tsl3. Most would take that as an endorsement of Thorzain being better than Naniwa. In my eyes Thorzain is the better player and I'm convinced he would beat moon in a best of 3. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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darlhet
Italy548 Posts
and he also beat him in the world leage...what's your point? | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:32 Nesquik wrote: So you are saying that we won't have any African SC2 Programmers due to they average IQ being so low. Sir, that is blatant racism and I will not accept it! | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:29 mTw|NarutO wrote: Yeah - and Protoss recently switch faster to storm so your mass Vikings will meet 2 Colossi and are kind of useless then. Its mind boggling how people that don't play anywhere near the top of anything make assumptions. Its all about counters. If he goes 2 robo and you go 2 starport, he's pretty much fucked. If you go 2 starports, he scouts it and tricks you with colossus production and has early storm (given he's not bad and clumps all HTs) you will probably be fucked. Its not just about medivac/viking count. Getting HT with storm off 2/3 bases after you already invested in colo tech is not very solid. Getting HT before colo is generally not very solid either because ghosts counter protoss, while vikings only counter colossi. That's why I think PvT right now is ultimately all about medicac/viking ratio. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:32 MrCon wrote: exactly 30 minutes. If you have set your timezone in your TL profile, the times in OP will be your time. That is amazing to me lol Thanks man, looks like I can finally take a real break for breakfast. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
He is saying that Moon is the best player in the world, because Moon has beaten Nani, Nani has beaten Jinro, Jinro has beaten MC and MC has beaten everyone in the world, thus Moon is the best player in the world. It's that simple, right?! | ||
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote: No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. This man speaks the truth, but I expect waves and waves of hate responses to this. This is Teamliquid after all, a foreign SC2 website.. people can't handle the truth, you know D: | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
Thorzain plays terran? Not trying to troll about balance, it just seems like Thorzain has been playing in a period of T stability/domination in general in the korean scene. It could be that koreans don't have ZvT and PvT as figured out as they do tvp/zvp/pvp on the current map pool. Also, Thorzain did beat Naniwa in a best of seven for tsl3. Most would take that as an endorsement of Thorzain being better than Naniwa. It was 4-3 the last time they met. I can understand if it was 4-0 because that would be more representative of the sheer difference in class they display every time they play a Korean. I wonder if it's a mental thing personally. The one thing I have noticed is that Thorzain's level of player doesn't seem to change particularly much depending on who he plays. Most people playing against MC when 2-0 down already would fall limply to a 4-0 defeat or worse, as Idra displayed. Whenever I'm watching Naniwa play Koreans, I don't feel like I'm watching Naniwa. It's almost like the term Korean puts them straight off their game. Same thing with Idra, who goes for ridiculous mass roach plays that he simply won't win with. Against mass blink stalkers why would you want to rely on a gimmick like burrow to deal with forcefields in the presence of an observer you KNOW is there? Thorzain seems to be the only one who gives them honest, hard games. July was inches away from losing to him. Not trying to be a Thorzain fanboy or whatever, though he is an excellent terran, but I like to see hard fought games and I feel like every time an EU or US player comes up against Koreans they crumble to the term Korean, rather to the player. The gulf in class isn't as big as the results make out. | ||
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