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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans: Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing. Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
When HuK is being 6 pooled, I don't care about the ups and downs of this strategy on a map like Tal'Darim Altar, I wanna hear them scream, because that's exactly what people at home do in these situations. There's a time for being analytical, but there's also time for play by play commentary and the more exciting the games get, the less analytical can casters be. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On June 21 2011 17:39 Telcontar wrote: That's a shame. I was hoping to steal a few builds. They've always been released, just give it a week or two | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On June 21 2011 21:32 Pulimuli wrote: They've always been released, just give it a week or two I want to steal the proxy nydus of Moon vs. Naniwa! Gimme the replay! | ||
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Nightengale
Malaysia19 Posts
I've known my share of friends who don't know what the hell an SCV stands for, and can still get excited by how Day[9] can throw in that emotion of 'everything counts and this is the highway to hell' kind of casting. Is there some fake-ness behind what Day[9] is doing? Naturally. Not all high-level play are high-level play as mentioned in his cast. But you know what? That doesn't matter. If SC2 is this social club of elites viewers where casters and commentators are not allowed to overblow the excitement and only speak objectively, claiming every move suspect to the highest level of play, and anything lesser than MC-class micro is 'average and doable by any other pros' otherwise, the average joe would be bored. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
On June 21 2011 22:04 Nightengale wrote: It's fairly obvious a reason why Day[9] goes into EXCITEMENT HYPE MODE for almost every single engagement/twist/etc... is to make the watching experience exciting for even viewers that has no bloody idea what the heck is going on. I've known my share of friends who don't know what the hell an SCV stands for, and can still get excited by how Day[9] can throw in that emotion of 'everything counts and this is the highway to hell' kind of casting. Is there some fake-ness behind what Day[9] is doing? Naturally. Not all high-level play are high-level play as mentioned in his cast. But you know what? That doesn't matter. If SC2 is this social club of elites viewers where casters and commentators are not allowed to overblow the excitement and only speak objectively, claiming every move suspect to the highest level of play, and anything lesser than MC-class micro is 'average and doable by any other pros' otherwise, the average joe would be bored. I don't think a lot of people remember what SCV stood for xP Was it Space Construction Vehicle? ._. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 21 2011 21:25 Vardant wrote: I feel like people are too obsessed with analytical casting. When HuK is being 6 pooled, I don't care about the ups and downs of this strategy on a map like Tal'Darim Altar, I wanna hear them scream, because that's exactly what people at home do in these situations. There's a time for being analytical, but there's also time for play by play commentary and the more exciting the games get, the less analytical can casters be. Yeah, the funny thing about this was they were introducing the players and I was sitting there going "fuck the players, it's a 6 pool!" To be fair they caught on pretty fast, it was just a little funny. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On June 21 2011 22:07 XiGua wrote: I don't think a lot of people remember what SCV stood for xP Was it Space Construction Vehicle? ._. Who know what these 3 letter acronyms actually expand out to? Besides the three letters, S-C-V, mean way more to SC2 players and fans than what ever blizzard's formal name is for the thing. I also second the opinion about casters. It's not a good idea for casters to get extra cerebral at a tournament. They're there for excitement, play-by-play, and a bit of a early-game and mid-game analysis to fill in the gaps of action. If you want a high level dissection of play, go watch day[9]'s strategy breakdown sessions. There is a bit of inaccuracy in day[9] calling it high level play. Most of it is either a tense situation, a huge blunder, or mind games. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 21 2011 20:55 stafu wrote: I feel like Day9 is almost patronising me at times when he casts at events. I'd much rather he was just himself. I understand he's trying to be professional, but people (or at least I) love him for the person he is on his dailies and I think he has some more room to be himself without losing the professionalism. Tastosis are always 100% themselves — maybe sometimes it's a bit much for some people, but it's genuine and I like it. Note: I know it's totally not Day9's intention, it's just the way it comes across sometimes. I know he's just being professional and I have nothing but respect for him. I think that's just because he's pitching at people with -bronze understanding as well as masters+. I generally would have thought the high-skill community that is TL would understand he's not patronising us - the simple fact is he's not broadcasting to only the top 10% of Starcraft players. Day9 has a great way of explaining something extremely simple one minute with an astute, in-depth observation the next. | ||
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herberckl
Germany117 Posts
What is hurting his casting as of late is the constant screaming and yelling. He starts every game with this super annoying "if u want your favourite protoss baller to do well and close this game and blalablalaala give a cheeeeeeer" all the while screaming at the top of his lungs. There are other ways to convey excitement than to yell in my ears. Also i feel like his analysis was really lacking to the point where d.appollo said most of the interesting stuff while day9 sounded like a third class holiday rep. "And now throw your hands up in the air and say eeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooo" Dont get me wrong, i like day9 i just feel like his casting style has really degenerated. Hope he can get back to his former self. A good first step would be to stop screaming all the time. | ||
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BlaCha
Poland743 Posts
I'd take his commentary over the Tastosis always. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
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Zaffy
United Kingdom128 Posts
oh and btw, Excitement != Screaming. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
On June 21 2011 18:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Moon's willingness to employ a "gimmicky" build order in both games 4 and 5 indicate to me he was afraid to play HuK in a straight up standard game. If you are 100% confident you will always defeat a player with a standard opening and are 1 win away from taking $16,000 then you perform a standard opening. its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack. he should watch Artosis and his brother and do like them. when Day[9] describes a secret proxy or some hidden tech he hushes his voice as though some golf pro is trying to sink a 50 foot putt to win the US Open. its a bit much. maybe we was just having a bad weekend. it would be nice if as these events increase in profitability and paid attendance levels they would pay the casters for longer preparation time. Actually, it's a viable psychological play. Remember how MC took down WhiteRa in DH Stockholm Invitational with 2proxygate at the final game? WhiteRa could never have thought that MC will go for cheese in a game worth 15k, but he did and won with it. Moon is a scary opponent just because he isn't afraid to manipulate and exploit the sense of security in people. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On June 21 2011 23:19 Daimai wrote: Actually, it's a viable psychological play. Remember how MC took down WhiteRa in DH Stockholm Invitational with 2proxygate at the final game? WhiteRa could never have thought that MC will go for cheese in a game worth 15k, but he did and won with it. Moon is a scary opponent just because he isn't afraid to manipulate and exploit the sense of security in people. Yup. A real competitor. He doesn't only try to beat you inside the game. | ||
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
On June 21 2011 22:22 herberckl wrote: Day9 just needs to chill a little. He has a huge fanbase because he can be witty and insightful once he gets into a certain rhythm. What is hurting his casting as of late is the constant screaming and yelling. He starts every game with this super annoying "if u want your favourite protoss baller to do well and close this game and blalablalaala give a cheeeeeeer" all the while screaming at the top of his lungs. There are other ways to convey excitement than to yell in my ears. Also i feel like his analysis was really lacking to the point where d.appollo said most of the interesting stuff while day9 sounded like a third class holiday rep. "And now throw your hands up in the air and say eeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooo" Dont get me wrong, i like day9 i just feel like his casting style has really degenerated. Hope he can get back to his former self. A good first step would be to stop screaming all the time. Honestly Day9 is the most annoying caster out there. But people are nuthugging him soooo much. He was good at one point before, and I respect his average knowledge of the game, but he is quite annoying now. Everything he does. Everyone should man up and admit it. Apollo did the better job that day, and I agree with the comments above. Its like listening to cheerleaders during sc2. Listen to the way he talks. I had to mute most of the casts that were on his stream. If you want excitement, go listen to TotalBiscuit. That dude, knows how to use language and his pitch/voice to cast. | ||
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Daimai
Sweden762 Posts
On June 21 2011 10:47 Ket wrote: very entertaining games... heh would the result have been different if huk didn't scout moon first? what if moon spawns bottom left / bottom right and huk scouts top left first, different results then? Yeah, Moon would probably have won. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
Why did Huk win. It is written. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack. Yeah I usually enjoy Day9 but his casting was borderline this weekend in my opinion, not sure what the deal was. One thing that didn't help but is not completely his fault was the sound levels, when Day yelled it was really loud on the stream and he did it a lot. I understand the need to dumb-down the casting since part of the audience at dreamhack may have been there for other games and just passing by for SC2, but that doesn't mean you can't do ANY analysis. It was a great event, my only other gripe tbh is that ro16 should be double elim. Having MC and Bomber have to eliminate each other in ro8 was disappointing, and they certainly had more time for games on Day 3, there were huge breaks all over the place. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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