• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:07
CEST 17:07
KST 00:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
GSL CK - monthly team event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1372 users

DHS2011 - Day 3 - Page 519

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 517 518 519 520 521 523 Next
Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.

Stick to the games and enjoy the event and its free services and coverage.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
June 21 2011 12:25 GMT
#10361
I feel like people are too obsessed with analytical casting.

When HuK is being 6 pooled, I don't care about the ups and downs of this strategy on a map like Tal'Darim Altar, I wanna hear them scream, because that's exactly what people at home do in these situations.

There's a time for being analytical, but there's also time for play by play commentary and the more exciting the games get, the less analytical can casters be.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
June 21 2011 12:32 GMT
#10362
On June 21 2011 17:39 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 17:36 Tommylew wrote:
On June 21 2011 15:49 rave[wcr] wrote:
anyone know when the replays will be released?


i dont think they will release them!!

That's a shame. I was hoping to steal a few builds.


They've always been released, just give it a week or two
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
June 21 2011 12:56 GMT
#10363
On June 21 2011 21:32 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 17:39 Telcontar wrote:
On June 21 2011 17:36 Tommylew wrote:
On June 21 2011 15:49 rave[wcr] wrote:
anyone know when the replays will be released?


i dont think they will release them!!

That's a shame. I was hoping to steal a few builds.


They've always been released, just give it a week or two


I want to steal the proxy nydus of Moon vs. Naniwa! Gimme the replay!
Nightengale
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia19 Posts
June 21 2011 13:04 GMT
#10364
It's fairly obvious a reason why Day[9] goes into EXCITEMENT HYPE MODE for almost every single engagement/twist/etc... is to make the watching experience exciting for even viewers that has no bloody idea what the heck is going on.

I've known my share of friends who don't know what the hell an SCV stands for, and can still get excited by how Day[9] can throw in that emotion of 'everything counts and this is the highway to hell' kind of casting.

Is there some fake-ness behind what Day[9] is doing? Naturally. Not all high-level play are high-level play as mentioned in his cast.

But you know what? That doesn't matter.

If SC2 is this social club of elites viewers where casters and commentators are not allowed to overblow the excitement and only speak objectively, claiming every move suspect to the highest level of play, and anything lesser than MC-class micro is 'average and doable by any other pros' otherwise, the average joe would be bored.
I am the night and the gale
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
June 21 2011 13:07 GMT
#10365
On June 21 2011 22:04 Nightengale wrote:
It's fairly obvious a reason why Day[9] goes into EXCITEMENT HYPE MODE for almost every single engagement/twist/etc... is to make the watching experience exciting for even viewers that has no bloody idea what the heck is going on.

I've known my share of friends who don't know what the hell an SCV stands for, and can still get excited by how Day[9] can throw in that emotion of 'everything counts and this is the highway to hell' kind of casting.

Is there some fake-ness behind what Day[9] is doing? Naturally. Not all high-level play are high-level play as mentioned in his cast.

But you know what? That doesn't matter.

If SC2 is this social club of elites viewers where casters and commentators are not allowed to overblow the excitement and only speak objectively, claiming every move suspect to the highest level of play, and anything lesser than MC-class micro is 'average and doable by any other pros' otherwise, the average joe would be bored.

I don't think a lot of people remember what SCV stood for xP

Was it Space Construction Vehicle? ._.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2011 13:16 GMT
#10366
On June 21 2011 21:25 Vardant wrote:
I feel like people are too obsessed with analytical casting.

When HuK is being 6 pooled, I don't care about the ups and downs of this strategy on a map like Tal'Darim Altar, I wanna hear them scream, because that's exactly what people at home do in these situations.

There's a time for being analytical, but there's also time for play by play commentary and the more exciting the games get, the less analytical can casters be.


Yeah, the funny thing about this was they were introducing the players and I was sitting there going "fuck the players, it's a 6 pool!" To be fair they caught on pretty fast, it was just a little funny.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
June 21 2011 13:18 GMT
#10367
On June 21 2011 22:07 XiGua wrote:
I don't think a lot of people remember what SCV stood for xP

Was it Space Construction Vehicle? ._.

Who know what these 3 letter acronyms actually expand out to?
Besides the three letters, S-C-V, mean way more to SC2 players and fans than what ever blizzard's formal name is for the thing.

I also second the opinion about casters. It's not a good idea for casters to get extra cerebral at a tournament. They're there for excitement, play-by-play, and a bit of a early-game and mid-game analysis to fill in the gaps of action. If you want a high level dissection of play, go watch day[9]'s strategy breakdown sessions.

There is a bit of inaccuracy in day[9] calling it high level play. Most of it is either a tense situation, a huge blunder, or mind games.
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#10368
On June 21 2011 20:55 stafu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 20:02 nihlon wrote:
On June 21 2011 18:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Moon's willingness to employ a "gimmicky" build order in both games 4 and 5 indicate to me he was afraid to play HuK in a straight up standard game.

If you are 100% confident you will always defeat a player with a standard opening and are 1 win away from taking $16,000 then you perform a standard opening.

its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack.
he should watch Artosis and his brother and do like them.
when Day[9] describes a secret proxy or some hidden tech he hushes his voice as though some golf pro is trying to sink a 50 foot putt to win the US Open. its a bit much.
maybe we was just having a bad weekend.

it would be nice if as these events increase in profitability and paid attendance levels they would pay the casters for longer preparation time.


What exactly is Tastosis doing that's so different? Especially Artosis has a very similar casting style. He was a bit over excited in certain games but other than that he was like he usually is.

I feel like Day9 is almost patronising me at times when he casts at events. I'd much rather he was just himself. I understand he's trying to be professional, but people (or at least I) love him for the person he is on his dailies and I think he has some more room to be himself without losing the professionalism. Tastosis are always 100% themselves — maybe sometimes it's a bit much for some people, but it's genuine and I like it.

Note: I know it's totally not Day9's intention, it's just the way it comes across sometimes. I know he's just being professional and I have nothing but respect for him.


I think that's just because he's pitching at people with -bronze understanding as well as masters+. I generally would have thought the high-skill community that is TL would understand he's not patronising us - the simple fact is he's not broadcasting to only the top 10% of Starcraft players. Day9 has a great way of explaining something extremely simple one minute with an astute, in-depth observation the next.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
herberckl
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 13:23:38
June 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#10369
Day9 just needs to chill a little. He has a huge fanbase because he can be witty and insightful once he gets into a certain rhythm.
What is hurting his casting as of late is the constant screaming and yelling.

He starts every game with this super annoying "if u want your favourite protoss baller to do well and close this game and blalablalaala give a cheeeeeeer" all the while screaming at the top of his lungs.
There are other ways to convey excitement than to yell in my ears.

Also i feel like his analysis was really lacking to the point where d.appollo said most of the interesting stuff while day9 sounded like a third class holiday rep. "And now throw your hands up in the air and say eeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooo"

Dont get me wrong, i like day9 i just feel like his casting style has really degenerated. Hope he can get back to his former self. A good first step would be to stop screaming all the time.
BlaCha
Profile Joined March 2005
Poland743 Posts
June 21 2011 13:22 GMT
#10370
Day[9] is the man!
I'd take his commentary over the Tastosis always.
Of course, fucking of course.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
June 21 2011 13:47 GMT
#10371
Heretic! Nobody is better than Tastosis, they are an archon after all. A single human being doesn't stand a chance, even if he is of Day9 caliber.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
June 21 2011 14:01 GMT
#10372
I love day9 style casting. Of course its made for those people who have little understanding of the game, but still. When he is casting, i am always sitting in the edge of my seat, and my adrenalinelevels are rising, just because he does such a good job hyping up matches.
Zaffy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom128 Posts
June 21 2011 14:19 GMT
#10373
i thought he shouted and screamed a little too much, but tbh i think they complemented each other. Day 9 with the excitement and appollo with the calm. I just dont like screaming, weather it is moletrap or day 9.

oh and btw, Excitement != Screaming.
waffles
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
June 21 2011 14:19 GMT
#10374
On June 21 2011 18:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Moon's willingness to employ a "gimmicky" build order in both games 4 and 5 indicate to me he was afraid to play HuK in a straight up standard game.

If you are 100% confident you will always defeat a player with a standard opening and are 1 win away from taking $16,000 then you perform a standard opening.

its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack.
he should watch Artosis and his brother and do like them.
when Day[9] describes a secret proxy or some hidden tech he hushes his voice as though some golf pro is trying to sink a 50 foot putt to win the US Open. its a bit much.
maybe we was just having a bad weekend.

it would be nice if as these events increase in profitability and paid attendance levels they would pay the casters for longer preparation time.


Actually, it's a viable psychological play. Remember how MC took down WhiteRa in DH Stockholm Invitational with 2proxygate at the final game? WhiteRa could never have thought that MC will go for cheese in a game worth 15k, but he did and won with it.

Moon is a scary opponent just because he isn't afraid to manipulate and exploit the sense of security in people.
To pray is to accept defeat.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
June 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#10375
On June 21 2011 23:19 Daimai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 18:59 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Moon's willingness to employ a "gimmicky" build order in both games 4 and 5 indicate to me he was afraid to play HuK in a straight up standard game.

If you are 100% confident you will always defeat a player with a standard opening and are 1 win away from taking $16,000 then you perform a standard opening.

its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack.
he should watch Artosis and his brother and do like them.
when Day[9] describes a secret proxy or some hidden tech he hushes his voice as though some golf pro is trying to sink a 50 foot putt to win the US Open. its a bit much.
maybe we was just having a bad weekend.

it would be nice if as these events increase in profitability and paid attendance levels they would pay the casters for longer preparation time.


Actually, it's a viable psychological play. Remember how MC took down WhiteRa in DH Stockholm Invitational with 2proxygate at the final game? WhiteRa could never have thought that MC will go for cheese in a game worth 15k, but he did and won with it.

Moon is a scary opponent just because he isn't afraid to manipulate and exploit the sense of security in people.


Yup. A real competitor. He doesn't only try to beat you inside the game.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Cartel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada255 Posts
June 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#10376
On June 21 2011 22:22 herberckl wrote:
Day9 just needs to chill a little. He has a huge fanbase because he can be witty and insightful once he gets into a certain rhythm.
What is hurting his casting as of late is the constant screaming and yelling.

He starts every game with this super annoying "if u want your favourite protoss baller to do well and close this game and blalablalaala give a cheeeeeeer" all the while screaming at the top of his lungs.
There are other ways to convey excitement than to yell in my ears.

Also i feel like his analysis was really lacking to the point where d.appollo said most of the interesting stuff while day9 sounded like a third class holiday rep. "And now throw your hands up in the air and say eeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooo"

Dont get me wrong, i like day9 i just feel like his casting style has really degenerated. Hope he can get back to his former self. A good first step would be to stop screaming all the time.


Honestly Day9 is the most annoying caster out there. But people are nuthugging him soooo much. He was good at one point before, and I respect his average knowledge of the game, but he is quite annoying now. Everything he does. Everyone should man up and admit it. Apollo did the better job that day, and I agree with the comments above. Its like listening to cheerleaders during sc2. Listen to the way he talks. I had to mute most of the casts that were on his stream.

If you want excitement, go listen to TotalBiscuit. That dude, knows how to use language and his pitch/voice to cast.

Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
June 21 2011 14:27 GMT
#10377
On June 21 2011 10:47 Ket wrote:
very entertaining games... heh would the result have been different if huk didn't scout moon first? what if moon spawns bottom left / bottom right and huk scouts top left first, different results then?


Yeah, Moon would probably have won.
To pray is to accept defeat.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
June 21 2011 14:33 GMT
#10378
On June 21 2011 23:27 Daimai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2011 10:47 Ket wrote:
very entertaining games... heh would the result have been different if huk didn't scout moon first? what if moon spawns bottom left / bottom right and huk scouts top left first, different results then?


Yeah, Moon would probably have won.

Why did Huk win.
It is written.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
June 21 2011 14:35 GMT
#10379
its unfortunate that Day[9] was basically a caricature of himself at DreamHack.


Yeah I usually enjoy Day9 but his casting was borderline this weekend in my opinion, not sure what the deal was. One thing that didn't help but is not completely his fault was the sound levels, when Day yelled it was really loud on the stream and he did it a lot. I understand the need to dumb-down the casting since part of the audience at dreamhack may have been there for other games and just passing by for SC2, but that doesn't mean you can't do ANY analysis.

It was a great event, my only other gripe tbh is that ro16 should be double elim. Having MC and Bomber have to eliminate each other in ro8 was disappointing, and they certainly had more time for games on Day 3, there were huge breaks all over the place.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
June 21 2011 14:59 GMT
#10380
I need replays!!!
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Prev 1 517 518 519 520 521 523 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 334
Hui .291
trigger 116
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4404
Bisu 3002
Jaedong 2474
Horang2 2304
EffOrt 725
Shuttle 669
Soma 455
Larva 448
Stork 362
Light 295
[ Show more ]
Snow 295
Aegong 286
Mini 254
Soulkey 222
ZerO 219
ggaemo 198
Rush 160
Sea.KH 93
JYJ 76
hero 61
Sharp 56
[sc1f]eonzerg 55
Backho 41
Shinee 34
sSak 32
Movie 22
Terrorterran 22
Hm[arnc] 20
910 16
soO 13
Sacsri 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
Gorgc4689
qojqva2721
Counter-Strike
fl0m2095
Other Games
singsing2399
Liquid`RaSZi1163
hiko708
Lowko389
B2W.Neo386
crisheroes271
XaKoH 113
QueenE87
oskar78
ArmadaUGS78
Mew2King62
Trikslyr16
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV558
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV661
• lizZardDota253
League of Legends
• Nemesis3788
Other Games
• Shiphtur12
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8h 53m
Replay Cast
17h 53m
Kung Fu Cup
19h 53m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.