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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11661
On June 20 2011 05:31 oogieogie wrote:
holy fucking shit..170 food Z vs 100 food P and the Z loses like how the hell..


looool... It's not at all that simple dude, and you know it.

"holy fucking shit.. 100,000 troops US military vs 15,000 insurgents and the US loses like how the hell.."

There's far more to it than just numbers, food count vs. food count. You're obviously insinuating that P is OP or some played out bullshit, but if you learn to assimilate more than just the most obvious of facts you'll actually realize the balance issue is very very particular and not at all in-your-face no-brainer obvious/something that needs to be immediately and directly addressed.
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11662
MC just has too much preparation IMO. He practices how to transition out of failed DT expands/DT rushes by having teammates get blind spores.

Idra neeeeded hydras, or at least shouldve gone roach/ling. If he went 1 melee 1 range attack ala losira oftentimes, he couldve gone roach/lings/hydras against the stalkers. But I don't think Idra expected such a strong response from MC.
Omegalisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States337 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11663
Sigh, another game won by MC...

Don't get me wrong, MC is a great player, he is just kinda boring to watch, TBH. Blink stalkers aren't that exciting...
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11664
On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:
go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad

70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers.


Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11665
Did Bomber win?
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11666
On June 20 2011 05:32 drox22 wrote:
Idra still going roach hydra. There are so many other good zerg strategies vs protoss.

Ling baneling drops.... infestors.... mutas

but idra still trying to win with the same old unit composition that is by far one of the weakest options zerg has



exactly.. He won pretty convincingly against MC with drop play at Colombus. Then he gets close air on Metalopolis and doesn't even seem to consider dropping or harassing. Seems to me like he's just playing zerg wrong.
n00b3rt
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria890 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11667
Hoping to see the banhammer in action soon :D
Yeah, whatever
jhrjbhzcgf
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany72 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11668
On June 20 2011 05:34 holycrapitsTony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:34 Scrandom wrote:
4/4 Koreans, +huk who is pretty much counted as korean.


How do you figure HuK is pretty much counted as a Korean?


HuK is the only foreigner who can compete with koreans atm.
Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11669
On June 20 2011 05:34 holycrapitsTony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:34 Scrandom wrote:
4/4 Koreans, +huk who is pretty much counted as korean.


How do you figure HuK is pretty much counted as a Korean?


He lives and trains in Korea with Korean players in a korean team house. See how that works?
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11670
On June 20 2011 05:33 MilesTeg wrote:
I don't understand why people say MC outclassed idra... honestly idra was the better player.


I don't get this line of reasoning what so fucking ever, ok maybe IdrA played better for the most of the game but making pure roach against pure stalker with blink (his hydra den completed as the fight happened, also no limgs) is just terrible, and if you make a critical critical mistake like this then you do not deserve to win.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11671
On June 20 2011 05:35 IPA wrote:
So...is that it for today? Any more games?

Tommorow at 11 cest are the next ones
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11672
I want Idra win so bad we were able to wipe out only Moon
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11673
On June 20 2011 05:35 Theoren wrote:
Idra made way to many drones and didn't have much of an army advantage. When you consider MC has blink and +2 weapons it's no surprise he steamrolled Idra's pure Roach army. Idra's ZvP is pretty bad and he seems to have a mental block not only against MC but in the match up in general.

but honestly I still hate the fact that a 170 supply army cannot kill a 110 protoss army.....kinda bullshit despite still being pure roach.

User was temp banned for this post.
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11674
Naniwa's defense after being suprised by BratOKs MM+ghost rush was SICK. He was so dead. MC, Alicia, White-Ra, none of them would've survived in that situation (of course, they might have survived by anticipating a ghost rush and spreading their sentries BUT they wouldn't have survived in the situation Naniwa was put in).
I
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:40:22
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11675
idra could have won that game so easily by going and keep denying toss expo as soon as he could get overseer. When toss gets expo, it always has enough eco to do one critical timing push while zerg can affort mass units from 2 base off at 10 min mark on, especially when zerg defended dt rush so smoothly.

about food count: i assume that idra had at least 20 worker lead, so it makes about 90 vs 60 army supply. But as many of you know, without zerglings as meatshield, you are in bad position with only roach. Remember stalker does extra dmg vs armored units and mc had attack 2 AND blink.

i can remember that xiao took out nestea in same fashion on same map in gigabyte tourmanent
(which mc won vs xiao in finals )
"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11676
On June 20 2011 05:33 wei2coolman wrote:
How do you look at that and not say "wtf bbq protoss?" blink stalkers > colossus w/gateway, obviously.


The same way you look at a guy going mass lings vs zealots and don't say "wtf bbq protoss?"
We talkin about PRACTICE
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11677
On June 20 2011 05:35 XiGua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:35 Vimsey wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:32 Kira__ wrote:
if you are maxed with roaches, you have to attack asap

nobody is forcing him to max with roaches against higher tech units.

I'm sorry, but Stalkers are not higher tier.

Anyways, MC's micro is flawless.


They basically become higher tier as soon as they have blink
nvrs
Profile Joined October 2010
Greece481 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11678
On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:
go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad


Oh common, i am not a fan and have pointed out several times his poor showings on LR threads but he didn't play bad, MC is just way too good!
I think that any player that wants to be at the top needs to be in Korea, i mean look at how much Huk has improved.
RobotBodies
Profile Joined September 2010
47 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11679
On June 20 2011 05:32 IPA wrote:
MC is simply too good.

IdrA shouldn't have engaged until tunneling claws were finished. GGs. I felt like Day9's game awareness was pretty off there. He seemingly thought IdrA had a dominating chance with that push even though MC had a shit ton of +2 blink stalkers...it was obviously going to be close.


The tunneling wouldn't have mattered. Two rows of force-fields made the roaches have to be burrowed for too long before they could get in range to attack and vision from observer meant the stalkers were getting free hits on the roaches the whole time.
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
June 19 2011 20:36 GMT
#11680
On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:
go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad

70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers.


Roaches inflate supply incredibly, it's hard not to be in the lead.
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