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On June 17 2011 12:29 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:26 Chainfire99 wrote:
Dear zergs...if I make ghosts I have to cut tanks...which makes baneling/ling switches lol my army. K thanks I think it is very important that people realize how bad this argument (and ones like it) are. Theorycrafting as you are doing does not work. You can constantly think up a situation in which your opponent responds perfectly, and somehow THEY manage to balance their unit compositions better than you. Well you are right, when they get the exact right units against what you have... they will win.
LOL @ you thinking it's hard for zerg to transition back into ling/banelings when they see Terrans cutting tanks for mass ghosts.
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Lol at Nada needing to do economic harass when there were mutas out. What economic harass can you do to cripple someone who can get 100 drones so quickly then if he loses 30 of them, can instantly remake them in two cycles? I really feel for terran late game versus zerg, maybe buff thor against armored air. Late game TvZ feels like old late game ZvP, there will definitely be some balance patches in the future.
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lol @ all the zerg players saying to get ghost ez win
rooofl maybe they should play terran and try doing that
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On June 17 2011 12:31 drox22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:27 Spectorials wrote:
Cannot believe that people think that ghosts are NOT good vs that composition..
Ghosts are fantastic units and can completely nullify infestors Why is it so hard to understand that if you go for mass ghosts you will just get rolled by ling baneling later on?
because they don't play terran. all the zergs are telling terrans to get ghosts and all the terrans are just like ... we're not all idiots. there's a reason why we don't see ghosts in TvZ among pros.
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On June 17 2011 12:29 Klogon wrote:
I guess we need to bring the Goliath back or something.
Goliaths wouldn't work because of the broodlings blocking their stupid AI, lol.
Maybe thors need to become goliath size 
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On June 17 2011 12:28 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.
Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.
A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be left behind. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg. I think Sen contends for that spot, but Morrow is definitely up there. I think it's Sen, then Morrow, then maybe IdrA.
I think it's safe to say that the top foreign Zergs are IdrA, Sen, MorroW, and Dimaga. All 4 show moments of brilliance and trade spots in different matchups as "the best."
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Ghost is freaking heavy gas.... NaDa may need to cut on vikings and tanks for it... he doesnt really got that much gas in that game, as he's losing medivacs constantly....
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On June 17 2011 12:31 Chainfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:29 Chicane wrote:On June 17 2011 12:26 Chainfire99 wrote:
Dear zergs...if I make ghosts I have to cut tanks...which makes baneling/ling switches lol my army. K thanks I think it is very important that people realize how bad this argument (and ones like it) are. Theorycrafting as you are doing does not work. You can constantly think up a situation in which your opponent responds perfectly, and somehow THEY manage to balance their unit compositions better than you. Well you are right, when they get the exact right units against what you have... they will win. LOL @ you thinking it's hard for zerg to transition back into ling/banelings when they see Terrans cutting tanks for mass ghosts.
LOL @ you constantly QQing in a LR thread.
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On June 17 2011 12:30 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:28 mordk wrote:On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.
Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.
A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be left behind. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg. Sen>DIMAGA=MorroW>Idra IMO If Sen brushed up on his ZvT I'd agree with you. But he does not look strong in it at all. Morrow and Dimaga are relatively close though. I'll give you that.
Sen needs to learn from Morrow or Dimaga in ZvT. Morrow needs to learn from Dimaga or Sen in ZvZ. Dimaga needs to learn from Sen or Morrow in ZvP.
Then they'll all be unstoppable power houses.
As for Idra, he seems to have other priorities in life at the moment, so it's really up to him whether he wants to try to address his weaknesses or not.
Nerchio - unfortunately he doesn't play in many big tournaments, as someone above said, but I think he's definitely an excellent player and up there in terms of foreigner Zergs.
Ret is another player who is in contention for top Zerg. He has the mechanics and the raw talent, and is posting good results as of late. If he can get some good performances in the upcoming LANs, he'll be right up there.
Should also mention Vibe, an up-and-coming NA Zerg, as well as Sheth, Slush, etc. for runner ups.
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On June 17 2011 12:30 leo23 wrote:you know what's more disgusting... this is late game where you think they kill creep tumors(nada did kill them but morrow kept laying them down)... oh the horror the horror
Plus, Nada couldn't kill many tumors since Morrow essentially had total map control of anything purple :O
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Ehhh, terran seems to be doing pretty good in the GSL. Nada was playing at like 3 am in the morning, cut him some slack
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On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.
Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.
A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be slip a fair bit. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.
I don't think you can judge Zerg players like that. Zerg is quite predictable, if they can get drone up to 70-80 drones mid game, they will look like monster. But if Terran harrass succesfully and zerg doesn't get as much droning time, they will start to fall apart against a good macro Terran.
I think the game rightnow is kind of stuck in how much harrass a Terran can do to a Zerg in early game. If you can't do anything, you are almost dead. Thats I don't like at all.
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On June 17 2011 12:29 StarscreamG1 wrote:
I don't give a sh** cause I'm protoss, but the last times I saw Terrans win TvZ was with bunker push... Really hard matchup.
http://www.justin.tv/totalbiscuit/b/287939062
Go to 0:55:00 and see how nicely MorroW plays TvZ even if he's been practicing it for a few days only.
Seriously what's with all this Terran QQ? Are you guys unhappy that only 6 terrans made it to top 8 in GSL?
MorroW has ahead 3 bases vs NaDa, you can't complain about Broodlords/Infestors in this situation.
L2p please and stop QQing.
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That map image is horrifying. I have nightmares about that when I play T/PvZ
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On June 17 2011 12:29 Klogon wrote:
I guess we need to bring the Goliath back or something. nah, morrow was so macro-ahead that the bulk of the last two games he could have done almost anything and win
he could have gone hydra for da lulz
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On June 17 2011 12:31 drox22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:27 Spectorials wrote:
Cannot believe that people think that ghosts are NOT good vs that composition..
Ghosts are fantastic units and can completely nullify infestors Why is it so hard to understand that if you go for mass ghosts you will just get rolled by ling baneling later on?
he just needed 2 ghosts to emp whole infestors what mass ghost are you talking about
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On June 17 2011 12:29 Klogon wrote:
I guess we need to bring the Goliath back or something.
Haha =) No, gols would be so stupid against broodlings ;D
"All systems fonctio...blipblip BOOM"
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On June 17 2011 12:31 drox22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:27 Spectorials wrote:
Cannot believe that people think that ghosts are NOT good vs that composition..
Ghosts are fantastic units and can completely nullify infestors Why is it so hard to understand that if you go for mass ghosts you will just get rolled by ling baneling later on?
You compliment your army with the ghosts. How is that so hard to do?
Cloaked ghosts are extremely difficult to deal with as a Zerg.
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On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.
Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.
A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be slip a fair bit. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.
I dunno. Morrow was really impressive today but we don't know how much Nada could haven been affected by lag. It's definitely getting closer between them though.
My question is- when Morrow wins a major tournament and proves that he is really good with zerg too, does that mean he can go back to playing the shameful race?
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On June 17 2011 12:30 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.
Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.
A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be slip a fair bit. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg. Not very fair to say that - I mean Idra missed out on NASL Finals in... a ZvZ. I think ZvZ is Morrow and IdrA's worst MUs. I'll say Idra is slightly better but they are both very good, along with Sen and Dimaga, in terms of foreign zergs. Good to see they'll all be at Dreamhack, hopefully we'll get some epic ZvZ matchups.
I don't just base this on the NASL. IdrA looked much weaker against Mana than Morrow did against Socke. I think it's pretty clear than Morrow is the better ZvP player.
And IdrA just hasn't looked strong against T for awhile now. He keeps saying he is very comfortable in the MU but loses a fair bit lately (MMA, Nada, dde... alot of big losses in ZvT).
IdrA is definately better in ZvZ though. So it is close between them. But contrast that to maybe 3 months ago when IdrA was clearly the better player. At the very least Morrow has caught up to him.
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