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Chainfire99
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada474 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1321
Fungal pwns all! best spell in the game bar none.
Vincere Vel Mori
NickelStarCraft
Profile Joined June 2011
26 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1322
Morrow wasn't waiting for Nada to fall asleep, he was asleep. In the three games, he never left his base once. You may be able to win with that style as Zerg or Protoss, but not Terran. That was a joke.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1323
On June 17 2011 12:27 Fission wrote:
well played by morrow, that was a very 1 sided game. btw, all you guys who think ghosts will counter a mass infestor/brood/corr comp are very foolish. In the span of the 100000 snipes you would need to get off, they can easily NP a ghost and emp all your other ghosts


Given that Zerg generally doesn't roll with much mobile detection, it should be possible to cloak 3-4 ghosts and EMP the entire infestor ball and then engage.
mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1324
On June 17 2011 12:27 proxY_ wrote:
Obviously Nada was ridiculously far behind for most of that game so I'm not sure if there was anything he could've done but it seems like you need mass ghosts against the brood infestor composition. I'm a bit confused why we don't see more of that, particularly in the wake of the ghost cost change. It's not just Nada but a lot of terrans honestly.

Mass ghosts, really? Ok so ghosts kill that army then the tech switch remax owns you...
Dubpace
Profile Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1325
Ghosts shut down that comp really really hard. It's a metagame thing that will be figured out in time.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1326
On June 17 2011 12:29 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:28 mordk wrote:
On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.

Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.

A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be left behind. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.


Sen>DIMAGA=MorroW>Idra

IMO

Nerchio has to be mentioned there.

No he doesn't

He's like Kas, no big tournaments yet.
MKP||TSL
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1327
On June 17 2011 12:27 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:25 lphoenixl wrote:
Dear Terrans, please continue to not make ghosts - Zergs



As many of us have said it's hard to work ghosts into your army comp against Z

Not if you plan on building towards them. Nada didn't want that game to go into the late game. He didn't set himself up for going into the late game really.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1328
On June 17 2011 12:26 Chainfire99 wrote:
Dear zergs...if I make ghosts I have to cut tanks...which makes baneling/ling switches lol my army. K thanks


I think it is very important that people realize how bad this argument (and ones like it) are. Theorycrafting as you are doing does not work. You can constantly think up a situation in which your opponent responds perfectly, and somehow THEY manage to balance their unit compositions better than you. Well you are right, when they get the exact right units against what you have... they will win.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
June 17 2011 03:29 GMT
#1329
I guess we need to bring the Goliath back or something.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1330
On June 17 2011 12:28 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.

Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.

A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be left behind. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.


Sen>DIMAGA=MorroW>Idra

IMO

If Sen brushed up on his ZvT I'd agree with you. But he does not look strong in it at all.

Morrow and Dimaga are relatively close though. I'll give you that.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1331
On June 17 2011 12:27 quiet noise wrote:
why do the casters sound so bored? are they robots? this was a really really good series, im sure day 9, husky and artosis could have given this series better justice
Haha, i was wondering that in some of the previous stages of NASL. It's a little bit better now. But really, I hope they don't continue with this whole "professionalism" (~ lack of genuine enthusiasm), because it loses them viewers.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1332
On June 17 2011 12:27 motbob wrote:
[image loading]



you know what's more disgusting... this is late game where you think they kill creep tumors(nada did kill them but morrow kept laying them down)... oh the horror the horror
banelings
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1333
On June 17 2011 12:26 doihy wrote:
david kim "we're looking into the infestor broodlord combo" This is going to be changed soon


He also said they don't like to make those sort of changes because the match ups can quickly change and people in a couple of months can find out how to deal with it. NaDa didn't build a single ghost against that composition, he deserved to lose. So i wouldn't get your hopes up. They've also said they'll most likely be no more balance patches until the HotS release.

There's nothing wrong with the comp, if terrans refuse to use ghosts though and let zerg build up to 100 drones and get a huge advantage going into mid-late game. Ofcourse it's going to look like a whitewash.
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1334
On June 17 2011 12:26 Chainfire99 wrote:
Dear zergs...if I make ghosts I have to cut tanks...which makes baneling/ling switches lol my army. K thanks


This is flat out wrong. If Nada made ghosts he could have avoided making the ~40 vikings over the course of the game.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1335
It goes for both match-ups, late-late game heavily favors zerg and protoss versus terran.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1336
On June 17 2011 12:29 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:29 00Visor wrote:
On June 17 2011 12:28 mordk wrote:
On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.

Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.

A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be left behind. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.


Sen>DIMAGA=MorroW>Idra

IMO

Nerchio has to be mentioned there.

No he doesn't

He's like Kas, no big tournaments yet.

Nerchio just hasn't gotten the chance to compete in the bigger tournaments yet. Hopefully he'll do well in IPL2 and make a name for himself.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1337
Excellent play by morrow but....

HOLY SHIT MOLETRAP AND DIGGITY MY BREAD AND BUTTER COMMENTATORS IN MY FAVORITE DUO OF ALL TIME: DIGGITY AND MOLETRAP DUAL COMMENTATE SC2 IN PERSON TOGETHER :DDD

Alright, that shows my enthusiasm for the casters
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 17 2011 03:30 GMT
#1338
On June 17 2011 12:27 DoomsVille wrote:
I'm starting to feel like IdrA is being left behind in the metagame.

Morrow looks stronger than him in ZvP and ZvT. The only matchup that IdrA seems to have an advantage over him is in ZvZ.

A few months ago IdrA was stronger in all matchups. He's starting to be slip a fair bit. I'm starting to think Morrow is the best foreigner zerg.


Not very fair to say that - I mean Idra missed out on NASL Finals in... a ZvZ. I think ZvZ is Morrow and IdrA's worst MUs.

I'll say Idra is slightly better but they are both very good, along with Sen and Dimaga, in terms of foreign zergs. Good to see they'll all be at Dreamhack, hopefully we'll get some epic ZvZ matchups.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
June 17 2011 03:31 GMT
#1339
On June 17 2011 12:29 Klogon wrote:
I guess we need to bring the Goliath back or something.


I agree so much.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
drox22
Profile Joined April 2011
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 03:33:25
June 17 2011 03:31 GMT
#1340
On June 17 2011 12:27 Spectorials wrote:
Cannot believe that people think that ghosts are NOT good vs that composition..

Ghosts are fantastic units and can completely nullify infestors


Why is it so hard to understand that if you go for mass ghosts you will just get rolled by ling baneling later on?

On June 17 2011 12:29 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 12:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 17 2011 12:25 lphoenixl wrote:
Dear Terrans, please continue to not make ghosts - Zergs



As many of us have said it's hard to work ghosts into your army comp against Z

Not if you plan on building towards them. Nada didn't want that game to go into the late game. He didn't set himself up for going into the late game really.


He had 3 bases and was about to take a gold.What are you on about?
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