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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 11 2011 23:12 GMT
#501
Can't wait for the VODs... Wanna see the Strelok interview.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 11 2011 23:24 GMT
#502
On June 12 2011 08:04 DoomsVille wrote:
You don't get it d(O.o)a.

A casters job is to do a few things:
1) Entertain their audience (humor, awesome sounding voice, enthusiasm etc.)
2) Explain what is occurring to the audience (play by play)
3) Critically analyze events (different builds/strategies, explanation of engagements etc. etc.)

You can't do 3) unless you are willing to be candid about the players strengths and weaknesses. If a player lost because they macroed poorly, you have to say it. If a player lost because he engaged poorly, you have to say it. Whatever the problem is, you have to mention it. But you can't just say "both players are fantastic and they played fantastic and everything is fantastic" without acknowledging their mistakes/weaknesses.

And this isn't the same as Xeris' absolutely ludicrous statement of "ya this guy is a fucking clown and played like garbage". No one said anything remotely similar to that. Instead this could be as simple as something like: Player X lost this game because he had a bad engagement. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying something like that. It is an honest appraisal of the situation and that is exactly what is necessary when critically analyzing a game.


It's the same thing as when an NBA commentator will say something like "Lebron is forcing too many shots instead of trying to find open teammates" or "his shot is just off today" or whatever. You have to be willing to criticize the players while still being respectful. That is all people want. We just don't want to be constantly told that everyone is playing amazingly when it is obvious that that isn't true in many cases.

Btw, I'm not saying gretorp or incontrol are doing that. I'm just saying this is how it should be. I'm not sure what sparked this debate (I didn't watch all of last night) and I don't care. I'm just giving my opinion on the matter.


You seem to be the one who doesn't get my point. I'm not saying they shouldn't say that they're doing something wrong, but to blatantly insult the players by saying they're bad or playing bad (as opposed to doing things wrong) is just in poor taste. As I stated earlier this is just my opinion though, and not everybody will share that. I'm not going to knock you for enjoying casters saying people are playing bad or they're bad, that's your prerogative but I personally don't enjoy it and I was simply putting in my 2 cents.
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 23:41:33
June 11 2011 23:40 GMT
#503
On June 11 2011 18:53 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2011 18:45 Full.tilt wrote:
On June 11 2011 18:23 Xeris wrote:
Secondly, nobody who wasn't a pro is in a position to tell a pro player that they played badly. You think they played badly, do it better yourself.


I disagree 100%. If people didn't talk critically about players from any sport then conversations about that sport would be very boring indeed.

Same with the old "do it better yourself" argument, it's just ridiculous.


I disagree with your disagreement. If you're not good enough to do something yourself, then you don't understand fully what goes into the activity. Therefore you can't criticize someone for not doing something that you yourself can't do.

It would be like me criticizing a mathematician for making mistakes in differentiation if I don't even know algebra.


OK, then Artosis and Tasteless need to retire, because they can't play sc2 as well as MMA and MKP the next gsl match they're going to be commentating.

Stupid argument with the math example. Math =/= a sport. In a sport, it's obviously what someone is supposed to ideally be doing, in math, the objective is known, you're trying to discover how to get there.

For example, in TheBestfOu vrs MKP, tastosis knows what Thebest has to do with his banshee to win the game...so they know when he's not doing that. So they criticize him for it.

But if you disagree with all of the above, I just want you to know I'm a pretty good debater, captain of my school's team etc so you can't really criticize my argument while staying true to yours
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Moldwood
Profile Joined April 2011
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 01:03:38
June 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#504
Someone please explain why I keep tuning into NASL and see JUST gretorp casting. Explain this to me immediately. He can not do it by himself.


OH MY GOD SHETH IS HERE THANK YOU LORD (rushed speech, as though gasping for breath. nearly drowned there)
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pig-dude
Profile Joined March 2011
United States170 Posts
June 12 2011 01:11 GMT
#505
I am getting serious lag on 480, and I can watch other justin.tv streams on 720 with no lag at all. Something's up.
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