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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22161
On June 06 2011 07:45 Azuroz wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:

Does a baneling bust ever beat a protoss in ZvP? I don't think I've seen it work all day.


july did it to some poor guy in the open bracket :>



Think it was Kiwi in pool play even, on tal'darim altar. It's possible, but very map dependant.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22162
On June 06 2011 07:46 SebaZ wrote:
can someone tell me what's the current status of the tournament? Is it the finals? Semifinals?


This game will decide this:

Loser will get the Third place

Winner will play vs MMA in the final
n_n
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22163
On June 06 2011 07:45 Azuroz wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:

Does a baneling bust ever beat a protoss in ZvP? I don't think I've seen it work all day.


july did it to some poor guy in the open bracket :>



We saw one on the stream. I think on Taldarim, the zerg even took drones off gas while the protoss scouted, to trick him. It was against forge FE, probally in pool play, don't remeber who.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22164
We're back. Losira versus MC!!!!
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22165
On June 06 2011 07:46 Fionn wrote:
Yes, Koreans will be sent to MLG.

Bomber has been confirmed to going to Anaheim and three others.

MC, Losira and MMA might also come back since they'll be seeded. There also might be another CotH winner that comes.

Come on, would you really rather see Gretorp play instead of MarineKing in pool play?


Listen to this guy, this is real wisdom in his words.
F u r u y a
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil173 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22166
meanwhile 18ºC 20%RH in my room. hands are freezing!
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22167
On June 06 2011 07:48 st3roids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not
Lol, are you kidding?



why who else is better ?

Idra ? ;p

plus i said currently - he was the second zerg to reach semi finals in gsl code s

He made it to the round of 8.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22168
On June 06 2011 07:46 fy12345 wrote:
where is destiny!!?!??!

didnt make it open brackets
En Taro Adun!
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22169
Wheat and Day9 casting. Does this mean Tastosis casts the finals?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22170
On June 06 2011 07:46 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:45 youngminii wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:44 TheKefka wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 Funkatron wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.

Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.

Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.


What?

MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star.

Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.

White-Ra

Naniwa is better than White-ra.

no he's not


Currently he is yes.


I initially missed that response, but yea, I really haven't seen anything spectacular from White Ra in a long time. He's notable and popular, but what has he done recently to actually call him a top foreigner?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Logo2010
Profile Joined October 2010
509 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22171
On June 06 2011 07:44 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:41 Coutcha wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:39 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:15 jj33 wrote:
yodagonemad,

you're a racist just say it and you're a moron.

you sound like those people back in the day when they complained about having black people play with the white people in football or basketball.

you're pathetic, anybody who wants segregation of competition in this day and age is a moron.


I don't want segregation, if they wanna pay their own way I welcome the competition. I don't feel like we should pay them to come kill our scene.

This is what we call racism....

and ur a moron indeed....


I don't agree with YodaGoneMad but fucking stop calling him a racist for stuff that clearly isn't racist...

Yeah he is, he doesn't see any benefit in the Koreans coming over and competing. First off it's a two way co-operation between the GSL and MLG to expand esports and startcraft 2. Second playing against Korean players will obviously improve local and foreigner talent. You get the see the strategies and play against new styles and different skill levels. YodaGoneMad is indeed pathetic.
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:49:26
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22172
On June 06 2011 07:47 Falcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote:
Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.

If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three.


It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another.


Its more a foreigner vs korea attitude it has nothing to do with race. why wasnt this a issue in bw but yet when people say they want foreigners to win in sc2 they're racists


They're saying they don't want to watch Koreans play..
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22173
On June 06 2011 07:44 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?


+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers



I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.


I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.


If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.


Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal.

First of all you get an all expenses paid trip to korea, second of all sure the tournament isnt top heavy but it has pretty much the same prize pool as MLG, and really its not a month long tournament first of all the round of 32 and the round of 16 happen over the course of 5 days now so if you lose in that time nothing is stopping you from going back home as you didnt make it to the up and down matches, if your still in the tournament after that its worth staying the extra week and a half to 2 weeks for the up and down matches or to see if you win code a (code a winner gets a spot in code s now) honestly its a huge opportunity and GSL is far more prestigious then MLG i dont see why players wouldnt want to try it out for a few weeks to see if they could get code s, if they get knocked out before the round of 8 no harm no foul go home and you got a free 5 day vacation in korea, you could stay longer and see the sights if you wanted too, god knows i would do that for sure.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
polaris415
Profile Joined February 2011
United States158 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22174
so with djWheat and day[9] casting the semi between MC and Losira, does that mean we get the casting archon for the finals?!?
TASTELESS, MAKE ME A SANDWICH!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22175
Shakrus Plateau G1 map!
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22176
On June 06 2011 07:48 st3roids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not
Lol, are you kidding?



why who else is better ?

Idra ? ;p

plus i said currently - he was the second zerg to reach semi finals in gsl code s
July is better then Losira IMO.
I <3 Plexa.
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22177
All of a sudden theres no complainin about extended series when theres no foreigner left
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22178
MC vs Losira

Game One starting soon
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22179
On June 06 2011 07:45 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not
Lol, are you kidding?


Aside from Nestea who's better than Losira?


in ZvT or overall? If it's the former I'd say almost every zerg in Code S right now Overall though Losira is an amazing player. Just needs to fix his weak spot and he'll be well on his way to his first GSL championship.

Really want an MC versus MMA finals. Losira's ZvT leaves something to ask for in a grand finals.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
June 05 2011 22:49 GMT
#22180
On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote:
Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.

If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three.


It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another.


Everyone playing is literally homo sapians. Zerg, Protoss, Terrans are difference races.

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