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On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.
Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter. What? MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star. Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.
Wait what? White-ra, Huk, Dimaga, Strelok, Brat-ok are 5 I come to think of. I mean, in the pools we had crap like Drewbie and Gretorp. Surely you need to agree that some of the best was not there and alot of what is imo the best had to go through the open bracket (morrow f.ex.) and doing so w/o loosing 2 series of what, 10+ is extremly hard even if you are the better player.
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GOGO MMA for the WIN!! Best 2 series of the tournament still to come  ))
Hype hype
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Oh shoot. I thought it was finals.
COooool :D . MC go. Seen to much zerg this MLG.
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On June 06 2011 07:48 st3roids wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not Lol, are you kidding? why who else is better ? Idra ? ;p plus i said currently - he was the second zerg to reach semi finals in gsl code s
ignore him. he's just trolling. Losira is clearly the 2nd best zerg in the world
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On June 06 2011 07:38 1oo wrote:
losira please win, TvP final too boring.
A non mirror matchup with the best protoss in the world and one of the top 3(arguable but i say MVP>Bomber>MMA) Terrans in the world is boring to you? wtf is wrong with you?
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On June 06 2011 07:49 pdd wrote:
Wheat and Day9 casting. Does this mean Tastosis casts the finals?
We have the choice of watching either tasteosis or dj9.
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You can hear on Day[9]'s voice how much he has screamed 
Hopefully he'll make it to the finals! (lol)
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On June 06 2011 07:47 TheBigBear wrote:
Can someone please answer this:
Is the finals going to be an extended series or a fresh one?
extended serie, but as bo instead of map score (so it's not a bo7 but 2 bo3) (perhaps I'm wrong again >< but it's extended serie for sure)
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On June 06 2011 07:44 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!  A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win. Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them? Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome. Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC? I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude. Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best. Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3.... They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse? +1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is. And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter. I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality. If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about. Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal.
Yea, getting a free plane ticket to Korea, all accommodation paid for, and being able to compete at the second highest level for you sport.... Real shitty deal /sarcasm
Seriously, I was so proud of TL community before this, but now with all the Korean hate/whine for coming to a western tournament(Something that would never happen in sc1 and is fucking great for the community)... I mean really guys? its fucking PATHETIC.
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Gogogo Losira
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On June 06 2011 07:47 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote:
Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.
If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three. It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another. Its more a foreigner vs korea attitude it has nothing to do with race. why wasnt this a issue in bw but yet when people say they want foreigners to win in sc2 they're racists
Read some of the live chats, it's pretty racist. Not saying TL is littered with racism, but it creeps in here too.
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Why are people saying that MC is mostly cheese when it is Idra doing roach rush twice while MC was trying to go into a macro game.
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On June 06 2011 07:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:45 Blasphemi wrote:On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not Lol, are you kidding? Aside from Nestea who's better than Losira? July? I think he's way better then Losira, and ofc Nestea #1 IMO.
DonRaeGu
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On June 06 2011 07:43 Funkatron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.
Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter. What? MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star. Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed. White-Ra
lol no
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On June 06 2011 07:47 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote:
Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.
If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three. It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another. Its more a foreigner vs korea attitude it has nothing to do with race. why wasnt this a issue in bw but yet when people say they want foreigners to win in sc2 they're racists
I disagree with heavenly's definition of racist... but most of the "racist" posts people are referring to are from posters stating that Koreans are being allowed to "kill the western SC2 scene," or shouldn't be allowed to compete in western tournaments, etc., which is a load of garbage.
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if you don't like the Koreans winning ....
your favorite players need to train more and not collapse under pressure
PERIOD
hopefully the top foreigners will take this to heart and train every single second they get ... they have the talent they need to make use of it
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On June 06 2011 07:48 Funkatron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:45 youngminii wrote:On June 06 2011 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On June 06 2011 07:43 Funkatron wrote:On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.
Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter. What? MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star. Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed. White-Ra Naniwa is better than White-ra. no he's not Regardless of who you think is better, I would say that I missed white-ra. He is undeniably a quality player who wasn't at MLG... just sayin'
Yeah it did make me really sad, being my favourite player and all. It's okay though, this just makes Dreamhack even more special to me than it already is.
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Can someone explain to me why MC is in the Loser's bracket? I'm looking through the image in the OP, and I didn't see him lose at all, so I'm not clear on how that happened.
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On June 06 2011 07:48 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:46 Aristodemus wrote:On June 06 2011 07:39 redFF wrote:On June 06 2011 07:29 Munchkin wrote:
Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players. No, wrong. Most western viewers like to watch the best players play. Just because you don't care or haven't heard of the best players in the world doesn't mean the rest of us haven't. But yes I agree MLG is for foreigners Koreans should join the open bracket like everybody else. If you dumped 4 top koreans in the open bracket there would be no foreigners getting through, is that what you want? We want to watch the best players. Period.
So do I, you missed my point.
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