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Fubi

2228 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22221

On June 06 2011 07:46 Aristodemus wrote:

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If you dumped 4 top koreans in the open bracket there would be no foreigners getting through, is that what you want?

The better players went thru in that case. Yes, that is what I want.

MaxField

United States2386 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22222

On June 06 2011 07:50 Sinborn wrote:
11-1-7-5 oclock po- Wait.

11 1
5 7

haha i am glad some one else saw that. Pretty funny.

Golgotha

Korea (South)8418 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22223

On June 06 2011 07:48 mordk wrote:

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Listen to this guy, this is real wisdom in his words.

lol guys lets come up with a wishlist for the next MLG.

Of course you need MMA, Losira, and MC - they seeded so high

Then, you need Nestea (omfg), Bomber (omfg), IMMVP (wtfomfg), Nada (girls swoon), and MarineKingPrime (cute!).

That is my wishlist :D

Oh and even SCfou will kick ass.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22224

On June 06 2011 07:50 Drazerk wrote:

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First map will be played on Shakuras plateau

In the top right is

MC

while in the bottom left is losira

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22225

2 o'clock for MC

losira 7!

Volband

Hungary6034 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22226

Emporio

United States3069 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22227

Does Day9 saying EG's Idra annoy anyone else?

ondik

Czech Republic2908 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22228

is this BO5 or BO3 again?

Vimsey

United Kingdom2235 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22229

On June 06 2011 07:46 Meancookie wrote:

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Quoting myself before I lose all hope in humanity, reading these latest pages

I would give up i got called racist yesterday for pointing out that select was in fact Korean.

catabowl

United States815 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22230

Yes... MLG Columbus has killed any hope for a Foreigner to win against Koreans from where I sit.

Go MMA!

Elite__

Canada976 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22231

wait what i thought it was mma vs mc?

Blitzkrieg09

United States39 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22232

On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:

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It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another.

Thorzain, Idra, and Thorzain are all the same race, caucasian. Pulling for your race is not racist. Putting down a race because of their race is racist.

I think it's silly anyway. I just love watching great SC2 players. I don't care what race they are. People were chanting USA when Idra beat MC, I think that is silly. I'm American but would much rather watch ThorZain or MMA than Painuser.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22233

On June 06 2011 07:51 GwSC wrote:

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It is possible to discuss who is better and also enjoy watching the games. Calm down lol.

this is true

i mean the whole point of the thing we are watching is to see which player triumphs through everyone else

competition is a good thing imo

fghtuetg

Germany65 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22234

On June 06 2011 07:51 ondik wrote:
is this BO5 or BO3 again?

BO3

shabby

Norway6402 Posts

June 05 2011 22:51 GMT

#22235

Lol, please, MC lose this so you can meet Idra again in a third extended series! :D

jjllama

United States72 Posts

June 05 2011 22:52 GMT

#22236

On June 06 2011 07:51 ondik wrote:
is this BO5 or BO3 again?

Bo3

fghtuetg beat me to it xD

polyrhythmic

20 Posts

June 05 2011 22:52 GMT

#22237

On June 06 2011 07:46 fy12345 wrote:
where is destiny!!?!??!

troll, i assume?

...destiny loses horribly in first round of open brackets, surprising no one.

Kamate

Romania580 Posts

June 05 2011 22:52 GMT

#22238

GoGO Losira!

hasuterrans

United States614 Posts

June 05 2011 22:52 GMT

#22239

On June 06 2011 07:49 cheesemaster wrote:

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On June 06 2011 07:44 FliedLice wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?

I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?

+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers

I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.

I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.

If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.

Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal.

First of all you get an all expenses paid trip to korea, second of all sure the tournament isnt top heavy but it has pretty much the same prize pool as MLG, and really its not a month long tournament first of all the round of 32 and the round of 16 happen over the course of 5 days now so if you lose in that time nothing is stopping you from going back home as you didnt make it to the up and down matches, if your still in the tournament after that its worth staying the extra week and a half to 2 weeks for the up and down matches or to see if you win code a (code a winner gets a spot in code s now) honestly its a huge opportunity and GSL is far more prestigious then MLG i dont see why players wouldnt want to try it out for a few weeks to see if they could get code s, if they get knocked out before the round of 8 no harm no foul go home and you got a free 5 day vacation in korea, you could stay longer and see the sights if you wanted too, god knows i would do that for sure.

I'll add that the real value in the Code A/Code S (not this tournament) invites is getting to compete against the best players in the world. A lot of foreign progamers aren't interested in becoming the best and don't want to compete against the Koreans. Not everyone is like Huk, Jinro or Naniwa, Thorzain who both want to go to Korea to become better not for easy money

garlicface

Canada4196 Posts

June 05 2011 22:52 GMT

#22240

On June 06 2011 07:47 Adreme wrote:

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No you are just sad and turn off the TV. For example I am a huge Ravens fan (NFL american football team) and they lost this year. My reaction to them losing was that I was less interested in the Super Bowl (championship game) because "my team" was not in it. People rooted for the foreigners because they were there guys so without them its like there favorite team is out and they are sad now.

Well put. Describes what I did today. "Turned off the [stream]."

I'll watch the VODs later, I guess. Just a huge bummer.

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