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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22141
On June 06 2011 07:46 fy12345 wrote:
where is destiny!!?!??!


He did not make it to the finals, oddly enough.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22142
On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not
Lol, are you kidding?



why who else is better ?

Idra ? ;p

plus i said currently - he was the second zerg to reach semi finals in gsl code s
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22143
On June 06 2011 07:43 bucckevin wrote:
I'm not sure if it was mentioned already but this win puts MMA in code S. Losira and MC are already in code S so even if MMA loses, he gets in.

Well i am sure this has been mentioned, you are wrong and you are spreading rumors that are not true. go back and read and stop making these posts.

NO ONE GETS CODE S AT THIS MLG
*top 4 foreigners will get code A at this MLG though

NEXT MLG, THE WINNER OF IT ALL GETS CODE S
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
BrahCJ
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia659 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22144
On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?


+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers



I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.


I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.


If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.


Except for the part where the foreigners are gone for ONE MONTH. For one whole month they can't compete in any "westerner" tourneys/showmatches without lagging around everywhere. Where with the MLG, the Koreans are "out of action" for THREE DAYS, and even for those 3 days, the GSL stops, so they're not losing any other potential income.
Which is why you've seen the best Koreans out there in July, MC, Losira, and MMA accept, where the best foreigners have already said
"No I will not take the Code A ticket, to leave for 30 days."

Even more so, when 4th place MLG attracts the same amount of prize money as first place Code A.


So we have... 10 times the length, losing tourneys, for 1/3rd of the cash. Foreigners are getting 30 times less potential money per day, and they're getting treated better?
Play the games!
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22145
On June 06 2011 07:46 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:39 redFF wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:29 Munchkin wrote:
Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players.

No, wrong. Most western viewers like to watch the best players play. Just because you don't care or haven't heard of the best players in the world doesn't mean the rest of us haven't. But yes I agree MLG is for foreigners Koreans should join the open bracket like everybody else.

If you dumped 4 top koreans in the open bracket there would be no foreigners getting through, is that what you want?



We want to watch the best players. Period.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22146
On June 06 2011 07:45 Azuroz wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:

Does a baneling bust ever beat a protoss in ZvP? I don't think I've seen it work all day.


july did it to some poor guy in the open bracket :>



Was it... I don't know... Some kind of fruity protoss player? A brown fruit, with green pulp? Hm...
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:49:40
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22147
On June 06 2011 07:45 mordk wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:38 Heavenly wrote:
I'm gonna so be disappointed if Losira seriously tries to roach/ling all in MC. It hasn't worked a single time today but every single zerg has tried and failed. It's really weird too, MC just seems to be able to completely crush it maybe losing a couple units where I've seen a ton of protoss downright fall to it. Maybe one gate expo into 3gate stargate is the new 3gate expo?


This is actually something that raises questions in my mind... Every single protoss right now is losing pretty easily to roach/ling pressure after fast expand, but MC seems to have figured it out, his stargate timing has been impeccable every time and he just... knows when the zerg is going to do the attack.

I'm seriously having a hard time understanding how he does it. I don't even FE vs zerg ever now, since every time I do it I lose hahaha.


I guess he just delays with the sentries and sim city long enough to get that voidray out if its not out already. If he can forcefield he'll lose minimal stuff while the voidray picks off the roaches which are the only threat. Stargate tech isn't useless even if they don't roach-ling all in because a couple voidrays and phoenixes can take complete map control, wipe out overlords, and pick off queens and hydras while dodging around spores until enough of them group together. Then you can transition into the colossi/voidray deathball but MC seems to prefer just stalker/4colossi.

I also think it's very interesting he goes 3-0 against both terran and zerg even though a lot of people think armor is better versus terran.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Balthazar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States277 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22148
On June 06 2011 07:47 IMSmooth wrote:
Problem: Finals weekend. 2 Finals and 2 Final papers due in the next three days.

Solution: Watch every second of mlg without stopping


LOL I am in the same situation :D
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:48:45
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22149
Open brackets are a way to make dreams come true if you're an amateur or an up and coming player.
Putting the koreans in the open bracket would be a bad idea imho, they would simply destroy everyone, therefore crushing the hopes and dreams of dozens of innocent players.

AND the casters are back!
o choro é livre
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22150
On June 06 2011 07:45 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:44 TheKefka wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 Funkatron wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.

Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.

Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.


What?

MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star.

Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.

White-Ra

Naniwa is better than White-ra.

no he's not

Regardless of who you think is better, I would say that I missed white-ra. He is undeniably a quality player who wasn't at MLG... just sayin'
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22151
phew, quick dinner run and back in time before the next matches, this time im glad it takes the players so long to set up
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22152
On June 06 2011 07:47 MrCon wrote:
Problem with most foreigners (not everyone...nani or morrow are practicing 12/24/7 for instance) is that they want to be progamer like it's a hobby. Any job include working at least 7 hours a day, progaming is no different. And progaming is like any other sport, the winner is usually the one who trains the most. But most foreigners don't have this mentality, they just want to be famous in the "esport world", and capitalize on this to make money by coaching and streaming. And if something must "destroy esports in the west" it will be this mindset, not the Koreans.


I don't agree with everything you say on here but that's completely accurate.
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22153
On June 06 2011 07:37 BlackOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:35 Stenstyren wrote:
It's not racist, I care much less for the Koreans, not because they are Koreans but because they don't participate in any tournaments I watch. This means that I neither love not hate them and thus their games become boring to watch, no emotions at all from my side.

I am unfortunately not a big enough Starcraft fan to watch games just because the player who plays them is good, I'm mostly watching for excitement.


?

You care less for the Koreans because they don't participate in tournaments you watch. So they are boring to watch when they participate in tournaments you watch?




Everybody want to see top tier standards in sports. I am disappointed with your attitude in trying to keep the Koreans away so foreigners can have an easier time. The only reason I am gluing myself to watching MLG is due to these Koreans. The standard of the games are so much higher. The competition is so much more tense. International events are event where top tier sportsman are invited. MLG is moving towards that. You can still have small events that promote the growth of esports. But any event looking to have an international standards need to include PROS from all over the world.
Just like what GOM, MLG and dreamhack are doing. Events like IGN wont have good sponsorship, because they do not have enough international coverage. Even someone like me from SINGAPORE is watching MLG, why would sponsors want to sponsor small events like IGN proleague.......
thefreed
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22154
On June 06 2011 07:45 GwSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not


The scary thing is this is probably true. He and July are fairly close IMO. Top zerg looks something like
Nestea>>>>>>>>>>>Losira>July>>Everyone else. The skill gap between top zerg and the rest seems much wider than with Terran and Protoss.

July only sucks in zvz... but in other match ups I would think his bit better then losira. Losira is pretty solid all around though.
My country is the world, My religion is to do good. -T.P The fool doth thinks his a wise man, but the wise man knows he is a fool. -W.S
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22155
On June 06 2011 07:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:41 Binabik wrote:
I hope Losira does try to all-in MC =D


Does a baneling bust ever beat a protoss in ZvP? I don't think I've seen it work all day.



July did it earlier yesterday a few times, but literally every single other time I've seen baneling busts against Protoss in the past they've failed horribly.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22156
On June 06 2011 07:47 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:45 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:44 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not
Lol, are you kidding?


Aside from Nestea who's better than Losira?
July? I think he's way better then Losira, and ofc Nestea #1 IMO.


July is not one of the best Zergs. He's terrible in ZvZ and can be beat if someone is really good at macro.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22157
On June 06 2011 07:46 1800STFU wrote:
Wow, place really seemed to have thinned out. Not nearly as many people.


The other events have been done for some time now.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22158
The foreign scene will become the special olympics of e-sports with this kind of attitude. Koreans win because they train ten hours a day at least in pro-houses, work hard to refine builds and unit control, and have played on a competitive and difficult environment (Code A/S is hard on you) for longer. Instead of trying to ban them from american leagues, foreign players should try to imitate them.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22159
On June 06 2011 07:46 Meancookie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:39 Meancookie wrote:


Can we all STFU about the race thingie? Everyone's a Starcraft player here, don't judge ;-)


Quoting myself before I lose all hope in humanity, reading these latest pages


It's the internet. Don't give up hope. The silent majority is just watching and trying to ignore this useless discussion.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
June 05 2011 22:48 GMT
#22160
On June 06 2011 07:39 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:15 jj33 wrote:
yodagonemad,

you're a racist just say it and you're a moron.

you sound like those people back in the day when they complained about having black people play with the white people in football or basketball.

you're pathetic, anybody who wants segregation of competition in this day and age is a moron.


I don't want segregation, if they wanna pay their own way I welcome the competition. I don't feel like we should pay them to come kill our scene.



It is not "our scene" anymore like it was in BW. SC2 is global with Koreans and foreigners interacting alike. You seem to have a strong inferiority complex when it comes to Koreans and foreigners competing with each other.

I feel like this is a bad Starcraft 2 version of the South Park "They took our jobs" skit.
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