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On June 01 2011 23:03 Shalaiyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:02 kheldorin wrote:On June 01 2011 23:00 jeeneeus wrote:
Only Nestea can play against one of the best players in the world, play on the worst map for zerg, and make him look like a jobber. Ugh, stop spreading this myth. The stats clearly favor zerg in this map. The fact that there's zergs winning on this map, mostly because the zerg is a lot better does not make it a good map for zerg. The terrain definetly favours colossus/HT and tanks.
The terrain favours not playing army v army but on position, feints and counterattacks.
This makes all the people incapable of doing these things call it imbalanced and whatever shit.
The map is pretty good in that respect.
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On June 01 2011 23:07 epoc wrote:
Guys mc is still in gsl. So if he goes against nestea nestea is done for. Remember what happened to july?
Alicia defeated mc 2-0.. and pls don't compare july to nestea lol
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On June 01 2011 23:07 epoc wrote:
Guys mc is still in gsl. So if he goes against nestea nestea is done for. Remember what happened to july?
Alicia took out nestea rmbr?
Tbh the only person i can see that has a good chance of taking down nestea would be MMA.(after seeing him taking down DRG)
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On June 01 2011 23:07 fant0m wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:03 Fyzar wrote:
I agree as well, especially the second game wasn't that exciting.
I voted No on the poll ;> it's cool to see NesTea, but I didn't really think it was that awesome. Exciting =/= Close. Not all the time. Otherwise Revival vs. Ensnare would be considered one of the best games in GSL history. Did you not see all of the insane shit that Nestea just pulled? Against one of the best Terrans in the world? In a matchup that many would consider most of what he did impossible to win with? I mean seriously, when was the last time you saw someone have >100 workers AND mass Ultralisks (same thing as Carriers or *mass* Thor tbh) and win the game???
I said the second game wasn't that exciting, I didn't actually see the first game.
Even so, in the second game I didn't see ''insane shit'' no.
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Wow even on a map as bad as crossfire for a zerg NesTea was able to win, what can't he do.
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On June 01 2011 23:06 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 Rayansaki wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 22:58 Fyzar wrote:On June 01 2011 22:57 Yaotzin wrote:
This map just BEGS for baneling bombs. You can plant sooo many and make Terran have nightmares. Yep he did the same versus sC, it's basically you have no other way than to walk over them =P. Yeah people freak out at all the ways Terran can abuse those chokes, but Zerg can do it too. Except that its countered by a single unit in your comp. The good thing is that you are very unlikely to get it until you lose half your marines to a baneling mine ;> It's super hard to keep a raven alive with a hunting flock of mutas. Plus no terran wants to put a tech lab on their starport just for a raven. They need it producing medivacs and vikings. Exactly you just have to constantly scan while moving forward. I think Thorzain vs Nestea in TSL was an excelent example. I think that was the MU, he pretty much just constantly scanned and caught every landmine.
It was FruitDealer, not Nestea.
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On June 01 2011 23:09 Zeroxk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:06 Benjef wrote:On June 01 2011 23:05 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 Rayansaki wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 22:58 Fyzar wrote:On June 01 2011 22:57 Yaotzin wrote:
This map just BEGS for baneling bombs. You can plant sooo many and make Terran have nightmares. Yep he did the same versus sC, it's basically you have no other way than to walk over them =P. Yeah people freak out at all the ways Terran can abuse those chokes, but Zerg can do it too. Except that its countered by a single unit in your comp. The good thing is that you are very unlikely to get it until you lose half your marines to a baneling mine ;> It's super hard to keep a raven alive with a hunting flock of mutas. Plus no terran wants to put a tech lab on their starport just for a raven. They need it producing medivacs and vikings. Exactly you just have to constantly scan while moving forward. I think Thorzain vs Nestea in TSL was an excellent example. I think that was the MU, he pretty much just constantly scanned and caught every landmine. No I believe that was Thorzain vs Fruitdealer on Terminus
My bad. Even then its an excellent showcase on how to deal with baneling landmines.
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On June 01 2011 23:07 epoc wrote:
Guys mc is still in gsl. So if he goes against nestea nestea is done for. Remember what happened to july?
Wat? He's gone. Also, July is terrible, and Nestea is god at ZvP
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On June 01 2011 23:08 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:06 Fyzar wrote:Sorry, but this got lost in the BANELING BOOOOOMBS  . Maybe this isn't the right time to ask it, but the games of MVP vs GanZi, were they actually good? 'Cause most of the times when some good guy gets beaten by someone else people just say yes for the sake of it. Not the BEST TvTs i've seen but they were pretty good. I felt like i was watching two very good Terrans dueling it out.
Thanks a lot!
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On June 01 2011 23:06 Fyzar wrote:Sorry, but this got lost in the BANELING BOOOOOMBS . Maybe this isn't the right time to ask it, but the games of MVP vs GanZi, were they actually good? 'Cause most of the times when some good guy gets beaten by someone else people just say yes for the sake of it.
Really really good =)
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I don't think game 2 was as ridiculously one sided as some people are saying, the whole early/mid was very balanced with NesTea fending off the initial push well, but Bomber being able to kill a lot of workers with blue flame hellions, and eventually deny the third for quite a long time.
NesTea was just very good with his army positioning to flank Bomber a lot in the later stages, and then used his awesome muta harass (that Bomber defended poorly) to force Bomber into unfavourable situations. Sure it ended decisively in one players favour, but it was pretty close for a good long while.
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On June 01 2011 23:09 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:07 fant0m wrote:On June 01 2011 23:03 Fyzar wrote:
I agree as well, especially the second game wasn't that exciting.
I voted No on the poll ;> it's cool to see NesTea, but I didn't really think it was that awesome. Exciting =/= Close. Not all the time. Otherwise Revival vs. Ensnare would be considered one of the best games in GSL history. Did you not see all of the insane shit that Nestea just pulled? Against one of the best Terrans in the world? In a matchup that many would consider most of what he did impossible to win with? I mean seriously, when was the last time you saw someone have >100 workers AND mass Ultralisks (same thing as Carriers or *mass* Thor tbh) and win the game??? I said the second game wasn't that exciting, I didn't actually see the first game. Even so, in the second game I didn't see ''insane shit'' no.
you need to see insane shit for a game to be worth watching? what about just good solid play?
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On June 01 2011 23:06 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 Bagi wrote:On June 01 2011 23:02 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 pirates wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 theMarkovian wrote:
TvZ on Crossfire: Get a Raven Ravens die so easily to mutas. Do you think any Terran honestly is going to make an Air unit that is SLOWER than mutas, cost twice the gas as a muta, dies instantly to mutas and have it on a separate hotkey to potentially survive for 4 minutes? Ravens aren't really an option at all when your opponent has 35 mutas with +2 attack. Then get HSM Mutas have 3 range, if they are in range to shoot a raven they are in range to eat one. Oh god, stop with the bronze level analysis. Master zerg, ty. But yeah, no raven, go for it. Cry more about baneling bombs *shrug*
Lol at HSM. It would be epic for Bomber to shoot an HSM and GG as it falls down on the floor
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Nestea is certainly the favorite, but he can still be taken out. He almost lost to Cezanne a few days ago in his match MU and only won cause of an epic hold. He's the best player in the world currently, but there is no certainty he makes the finals.
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On June 01 2011 23:08 MrSpider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 Bagi wrote:On June 01 2011 23:02 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 pirates wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 theMarkovian wrote:
TvZ on Crossfire: Get a Raven Ravens die so easily to mutas. Do you think any Terran honestly is going to make an Air unit that is SLOWER than mutas, cost twice the gas as a muta, dies instantly to mutas and have it on a separate hotkey to potentially survive for 4 minutes? Ravens aren't really an option at all when your opponent has 35 mutas with +2 attack. Then get HSM Mutas have 3 range, if they are in range to shoot a raven they are in range to eat one. Oh god, stop with the bronze level analysis. Is not bronze analysis, its true. Ravens are just perfect against strong mutas. Its just more difficult to micro and more risky than pumping marine.
maybe in bronze
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On June 01 2011 23:07 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 gh0un wrote:On June 01 2011 23:03 nam nam wrote:On June 01 2011 23:00 gh0un wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 Heavenly wrote:On June 01 2011 22:58 gh0un wrote:
Why do terrans refuse to ever build a raven in a 20 minute game?
Do they like losing because of some random baneling mine? Genius idea, make a raven when there are 29 mutas out on the field. Genius idea, then dont build it and lose your whole army to a few banelings. His point was with 29 mutas on the field, building a raven and not building a raven is pretty much the same thing. How are you going to stop the mutas from simply going in and sniping the raven? If we are talking about a raven that is following the marine army, then there is no way the mutas can fly in and snipe the raven before the marines deal more damage to the mutalisks. Why you ask? The answer is pdd. pdd, then we cant use HSM anyway and having ravens cuts into medivac production we can have 2 ports, but then tank production slows down
Why even bother with HSM? HSM wont hit a single mutalisk and means you wasted a ton of resources for nothing.
Stick to the pdd and the raven following the marine army and the raven will stay alive to scout for those baneling bombs, period.
The only way the mutas can pick it off is when the terran loses sight of it and it wanders away too much from the marines.
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you don't have to be a master chef/connoisseur to know the food you're served is bad, right? in the same vein, even though people here may not mechanically play as well as the players right now, they are free to make whatever sensible analysis they can out of the games.
the fact is that neither player were 100%, sc vs nestea 5, that was almost 100%...bomber from his play is just not as brutal as sc with the marine/tank (the only things he seems to make past early game), as incredible as MKP with the control, as creative as boxer, or as solid macro-wise as nada.
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On June 01 2011 23:07 fant0m wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:03 Fyzar wrote:
I agree as well, especially the second game wasn't that exciting.
I voted No on the poll ;> it's cool to see NesTea, but I didn't really think it was that awesome. Exciting =/= Close. Not all the time. Otherwise Revival vs. Ensnare would be considered one of the best games in GSL history. Did you not see all of the insane shit that Nestea just pulled? Against one of the best Terrans in the world? In a matchup that many would consider most of what he did impossible to win with? I mean seriously, when was the last time you saw someone have >100 workers AND mass Ultralisks (same thing as Carriers or *mass* Thor tbh) and win the game???
I know its old but thats how FD won a lot of his games in GSL1 iirc xD
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On June 01 2011 23:07 pirates wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:05 TehForce wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 pirates wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 theMarkovian wrote:
TvZ on Crossfire: Get a Raven Ravens die so easily to mutas. Do you think any Terran honestly is going to make an Air unit that is SLOWER than mutas, cost twice the gas as a muta, dies instantly to mutas and have it on a separate hotkey to potentially survive for 4 minutes? Ravens aren't really an option at all when your opponent has 35 mutas with +2 attack. In Broodwar the Terran Drophsip was slower than Scourge which was an Anti-Air Baneling and only 2 Scourges (= 1 Larvae) killed an entire dropship. Still every terran is dropping the Zerg. Why post? You didn't make a point at all or disprove my point.
My point was that your point is invalid. Only because Ravens could be picked off doesn't mean you can't build them. If your point was true there would be no reason to build medivacs too.
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On June 01 2011 23:07 iXphobos wrote:There's cuurently no Terran in the world who can beat a perfectly playing NesTea. No MKP. No ThorZain. No MVP. No TotalBiscuit.
MKP is in group B.
MKP, Nada, Ganzi, Tester, Clide, Kyrix have their chance against Nestea.
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On June 01 2011 23:10 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 23:09 Zeroxk wrote:On June 01 2011 23:06 Benjef wrote:On June 01 2011 23:05 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 23:01 Rayansaki wrote:On June 01 2011 22:59 Yaotzin wrote:On June 01 2011 22:58 Fyzar wrote:On June 01 2011 22:57 Yaotzin wrote:
This map just BEGS for baneling bombs. You can plant sooo many and make Terran have nightmares. Yep he did the same versus sC, it's basically you have no other way than to walk over them =P. Yeah people freak out at all the ways Terran can abuse those chokes, but Zerg can do it too. Except that its countered by a single unit in your comp. The good thing is that you are very unlikely to get it until you lose half your marines to a baneling mine ;> It's super hard to keep a raven alive with a hunting flock of mutas. Plus no terran wants to put a tech lab on their starport just for a raven. They need it producing medivacs and vikings. Exactly you just have to constantly scan while moving forward. I think Thorzain vs Nestea in TSL was an excellent example. I think that was the MU, he pretty much just constantly scanned and caught every landmine. No I believe that was Thorzain vs Fruitdealer on Terminus My bad. Even then its an excellent showcase on how to deal with baneling landmines.
I'm not sure, did NesTea show burrow before that moment? I mean, would you scan every time even if you didn't know if baneling landmines were possible? THough I guess it's highly likely in such a long game... A scan IS 300 minerals (or whatever a mule mines) after all
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