EPTIs it over?
EDIT: The time adjustment between Texas and Amman is kicking my ass >.<
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Kollapse
United States125 Posts
Is it over? EDIT: The time adjustment between Texas and Amman is kicking my ass >.< | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On May 30 2011 20:52 fortheGG wrote: Same here, but I would refer to anyone as bad. All you need is practice, the more you practice the better you do. PainUser has clearly stated he doesnt and that he is concentrating on his job for IGN. Exactly, what would be the point in going through the entire process of scheduling/practicing/playing when you're too far behind for it to matter. He could've just cheesed and it wouldn't have took a lot of time. People would probably hate him for that, too, though. | ||
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dragoonier
Germany154 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3513 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:46 st3roids wrote: Sen is prolly the best non korean zerg by far , just saying Sen fighting! ^_^ Such a good playstyle... | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On May 30 2011 21:14 Kollapse wrote: Hey guys, I just arrived in Amman, Jordan so I'm trying to catch the EU restream of these games. I don't see it on the upcoming streams list and it isn't currently online. Is it over? EDIT: The time adjustment between Texas and Amman is kicking my ass >.< It isn't showing in the "upcoming events" so i don't think it's on today but the EU restream is usually in 2:30h more or less! | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
Painuser is hurting the SC2 scene by not playing. I paid 25 bucks for a pass an HD pass to see games, not see them announce walkovers. I don't think Painuser should ever get another game in the NASL. It was a very selfish move by Painuser, avoiding games he believed he would lose, so he wouldn't waste time his own time. But in turn, he hurts the NASL and the SC2 scene in general. If the players want E-Sports taken seriously, then they need to take the game and the scene seriously. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:56 BronzeKnee wrote: Who cares if it is a one sided beating, you don't see bad NFL or NBA teams just forfeit the rest of their games, they play them so people can enjoy them. Painuser is hurting the SC2 scene by not playing. I paid 25 bucks for a pass an HD pass to see games, not see them announce walkovers. A very selfish move by Painuser. Yea Painuser is single handedly stopping SC2 scene from growing.... | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On May 30 2011 13:21 travis wrote: Actually if you tried to run 5 dts past 5 cannons they would probably all die before htey killed a single scv. Even if they didn't die they kill scvs/probes/drones 1 at a time. It's not at all comparable, not remotely. We are talking about all the workers dying in about 2 seconds. Then sim city and build 2 cannons. On May 30 2011 23:56 BronzeKnee wrote: Who cares if it is a one sided beating, you don't see bad NFL or NBA teams just forfeit the rest of their games once it is clear they can't make the playoffs (would ruin the sport if they did), they play the games so people can enjoy them. Upsets are fun to watch. Painuser is hurting the SC2 scene by not playing. I paid 25 bucks for a pass an HD pass to see games, not see them announce walkovers. I don't think Painuser should ever get another game in the NASL. It was a very selfish move by Painuser, avoiding games he believed he would lost, so he wouldn't waste time. But in turn, he hurts the NASL and the SC2 scene in general. If the players want E-Sports taken seriously, then they need to take the game and the scene seriously. It's a bad example because entire NBA teams haven't retired before. A better example would be a player retiring midseason. And calm down, Painuser is one player out of how many? You're still getting your moneys worth with the pass. | ||
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Naeroon
Canada166 Posts
 ). Idra vs Tyler was soo epix, they were both my favourites so seeing them face off was so enjoyable, I would have been happy with the results either way but I can tell you I definitely lost my liquibet  anyways... SEN/IDRA/BOXER FIGHTING! | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:58 Numy wrote: Yea Painuser is single handedly stopping SC2 scene from growing.... I think you're missing the point. Yes I am still getting my money's worth, and I didn't care much for Painuser to begin with, but this is a bad precedent being set. If all the NFL teams that didn't have a chance to advance just forfeited the rest of their matches, the season last about 2 months with maybe 8 games, and then the playoffs would begin. The sport would be ruined, it would make no money, and no one would follow it. We don't race statistic sheets, we race cars. Sometimes there is upsets in sports, but there can't be upsets if people don't actually play the game. Painuser still has a chance to effect the ranking of other people. And there can't be fans if there isn't games being played. Painuser needs to understand this, and what he has done is robbed fans of games. He should be made an example of, so other players don't do the same. This really isn't a joke, if the Bruins just forfeited game 1 against the Canucks, people would be furious and the Stanley Cup would be a joke. The same thing is happening (to a lesser degree) here, and E-sports need to set the precedent that this is unacceptable. In the end, we are here to watch games, we don't watch this just to see people win and lose. Finally, if an NBA or NFL player did quit on their team midseason, it becomes a black mark on that player, and other teams are hesistant to pick them up, regardless of skill. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:02 BronzeKnee wrote: I think you're missing the point. If all the NFL teams that didn't have a chance to advance just forfeited the rest of their matches, the season last about 2 months with maybe 8 games, and then the playoffs would begin. The sport would be ruined, it would make no money, and no one would follow it. We don't race statistic sheets, we race cars. Sometimes there is upsets in sports, but there can't be upsets if people don't actually play the game. And there can't be fans if there isn't games being played. Painuser needs to understand this, and what he has done is robbed fans of games. He should be made an example of, so other players don't do the same. This really isn't a joke, if the Bruins just forfeited game 1 against the Canucks, people would be furious. The same thing is happening (to a lesser degree) here, and E-sports need to set the precedent that this is unacceptable. It's not exactly the same though, because the NFL team will be there next season. A better comparison would be if a team was closing it's doors, went bankrupt or something, is letting all players go and would never participate in a tournament again. You can't force a person not to retire, like you suggest. The NFL teams, or players, would get punished next season if they did that. This does not apply when there is no next season. This is completelly up to the players, the only thing organizers can do is what they are doing, demand $200 bucks upfront and don't refund the money if something like this happens. It would probally be better if he participated in all his remaining matches, but it's clearly not the same situatios as you described. It doesn't look like Painuser wants a future in progaming, so instead of dragging his retirement until the end of NASL, he is doing it now. I may be wrong about his intentions, and it probally would be better if he played his matches anyway, but some people are overreacting about it. I would rather just see the few good games than some games from a guy that clearly doesn't want to play, there are thousands of matches avaible to watch, the "I pay $25, I must watch all matches, even if I know they will suck" doesn't make too much sense to me. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:56 BronzeKnee wrote: Who cares if it is a one sided beating, you don't see bad NFL or NBA teams just forfeit the rest of their games once it is clear they can't make the playoffs (would ruin the sport if they did), they play the games so people can enjoy them. Upsets are fun to watch. Painuser is hurting the SC2 scene by not playing. I paid 25 bucks for a pass an HD pass to see games, not see them announce walkovers. I don't think Painuser should ever get another game in the NASL. It was a very selfish move by Painuser, avoiding games he believed he would lost, so he wouldn't waste time. But in turn, he hurts the NASL and the SC2 scene in general. If the players want E-Sports taken seriously, then they need to take the game and the scene seriously. Oh come on. If he decided to stop playing professionally and focus on other things (SC2 related or not), that's his choice. Forcing someone to play isn't going to lead anywhere, it will lead to terrible, demotivating, one-sided games absolutely noone is going to enjoy watching. Better to say enough is enough and just call it quits instead of continuing on. His team fell apart, he doesn't want to continue, and there's nothing in his contract forcing him to play. Why on earth would you frame this as 'it is bad for e-sports!', what's bad for e-sports is people holding on to NASL spots while there are others that are more deserving of their spots. | ||
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:02 BronzeKnee wrote: I think you're missing the point. Yes I am still getting my money's worth, and I didn't care much for Painuser to begin with, but this is a bad precedent being set. If all the NFL teams that didn't have a chance to advance just forfeited the rest of their matches, the season last about 2 months with maybe 8 games, and then the playoffs would begin. The sport would be ruined, it would make no money, and no one would follow it. We don't race statistic sheets, we race cars. Sometimes there is upsets in sports, but there can't be upsets if people don't actually play the game. Painuser still has a chance to effect the ranking of other people. And there can't be fans if there isn't games being played. Painuser needs to understand this, and what he has done is robbed fans of games. He should be made an example of, so other players don't do the same. This really isn't a joke, if the Bruins just forfeited game 1 against the Canucks, people would be furious and the Stanley Cup would be a joke. The same thing is happening (to a lesser degree) here, and E-sports need to set the precedent that this is unacceptable. In the end, we are here to watch games, we don't watch this just to see people win and lose. Finally, if an NBA or NFL player did quit on their team midseason, it becomes a black mark on that player, and other teams are hesistant to pick them up, regardless of skill. You are being over-dramatic and trying to conclude facts where you cannot possibly understand what the future will bring. So I think you just stirring drama because that's what people do. They take things and create drama so they can feed off the drama. If there's not enough drama for them to feed off they merely artificially create more. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5221 Posts
I don't think anyone is that upset about missing out on games from Painuser except for his fans. And yes, it would be better for everyone if he played out his remaining matches. Beyond that though he is setting a precedent. What if it was July or Idra did the same? It is up the community and the organizations to respond to that precedent, and set an example for how this will be handled in the future. I am suggesting we lynch him? No, I am suggesting that someone calmly explain to him that what he is decided is unacceptable, and that he will not only be forfeiting these games, but also his future in the NASL (as other organizations should not allow him to play either). Perhaps this was done, perhaps it wasn't. His decision effects more than himself, he could have easily played out the remaining matches. And that is really it, we are robbed of games that he could have easily finished. It is about being a person of your word. He applied for the NASL to play the games, and is now backing out without playing all games. Is it illegal? No. But it isn't the honorable thing to do. Lots of people were desperate for a spot of the NASL, and even if they were 0-7 they would finish out their games with their heads held high. Those are the people we need in this sport, we don't need people who are going to quit on the sport. Today it doesn't effect much that a player isn't finishing out their games. But tomorrow with someone else it might, and that is why the precedent has to be set now that what Painuser did is unacceptable. | ||
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GuiMontag
Australia79 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:21 br0fivE wrote: NASL really needs to get rid of gretorp. so unbelievably bad. I'd much rather they got rid of Incontrol, this last week of Gretorp and Mr Bitter has been the best casting so far. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:24 BronzeKnee wrote: I think we can all agree on this, I'm not arguing anything to radical, it is hard to convey emotion on the internet and I think my writing is hinting at strong emotions. I don't think anyone is that upset about missing out on games from Painuser except for his fans. And yes, it would be better for everyone if he played out his remaining matches. Beyond that though he is setting a precedent. What if it was July or Idra did the same? It is up the community and the organizations to respond to that precedent, and set an example for how this will be handled in the future. I am suggesting we lynch him? No, I am suggesting that someone calmly explain to him that what he is decided is unacceptable, and that he will not only be forfeiting these games, but also his future in the NASL (as other organizations should not allow him to play either). Perhaps this was done, perhaps it wasn't. His decision effects more than himself, he could have easily played out the remaining matches. And that is really it, we are robbed of games. It is really about being a person of your word, he applied for the NASL to play the games, and is now backing out. Is it illegal? No, but it isn't the honorable thing to do. Lots of people were desperate for a spot of the NASL, and even if they were 0-7 would finish out their games with their heads held high. Those are the people we need in this sport, we don't need people who are going to quit on the sport. There's a deposit and he loses the deposit. That's a lot of money. You just want more drama. Stop acting like "oh look he did it then others will do it just because!". You don't know the future, you don't understand human individual behavior and you can't make those assumptions. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:25 GuiMontag wrote: I'd much rather they got rid of Incontrol, this last week of Gretorp and Mr Bitter has been the best casting so far. No way you can say it was better than IdrA casting. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:24 BronzeKnee wrote: I think we can all agree on this, I'm not arguing anything to radical, it is hard to convey emotion on the internet and I think my writing is hinting at strong emotions. I don't think anyone is that upset about missing out on games from Painuser except for his fans. And yes, it would be better for everyone if he played out his remaining matches. Beyond that though he is setting a precedent. What if it was July or Idra did the same? It is up the community and the organizations to respond to that precedent, and set an example for how this will be handled in the future. I am suggesting we lynch him? No, I am suggesting that someone calmly explain to him that what he is decided is unacceptable, and that he will not only be forfeiting these games, but also his future in the NASL (as other organizations should not allow him to play either). Perhaps this was done, perhaps it wasn't. His decision effects more than himself, he could have easily played out the remaining matches. And that is really it, we are robbed of games. It is really about being a person of your word, he applied for the NASL to play the games, and is now backing out. Is it illegal? No, but it isn't the honorable thing to do. Lots of people were desperate for a spot of the NASL, and even if they were 0-7 would finish out their games with their heads held high. Those are the people we need in this sport, we don't need people who are going to quit on the sport. I think the thing you are missing in your posts is that he KNOWS he is forfeiting his future in NASL and any other tournament, he doesn't seem to want to play anymore. So you would have to compare him to someone that is retiring in the middle of theseason, instead of waiting for all the games to finish, not someone that just doesn't have any chances in the tournament. July or Idra would never do that because they are still playing the game. It doesn't matter if the is or he isn't the kind of person we need in this sport, he isn't in the sport anymore. | ||
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