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This game is impossible.[NASL] Day 6-2 - Page 62
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Al Bundy
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:50 TotalBiscuit wrote: It's a pure play-by-play situation, there is no room or need for analysis. The analyst should not be talking. Sports commentary is not about sharing the mic 50/50, it's about fitting into your role and speaking at the correct time. This is why Gretorp takes the majority of the airtime during quieter moments and I take the majority of the airtime during high-action moments. That's how sports commentary works, it's also what we agreed to do before the cast. If you agreed on that, that's cool, I know it's not a 50/50 situation, but generally I like to see something along the lines of a 80/20 situation when it's play-by-play time for you, and 20/80 when it's analysis time. The 20/80 analysis thing worked, you only chimed in from time to time, which is good because Gretorp has really good game knowledge. However, an occasional bump in from Gretorp would have been nice to see during the play by play, that speed cast is sort of your specialty so it's understandable that it's tough to create synergy in a unfamiliar pairing. In retrospect, a predetermined setup may have been a safer bet, so fair enough. It just creates sort of an actual exchange between the commentators as opposed to a tag-in-tag-out situation. Obviously that's hard to do though when you're not in the same room, and it's the first time you're casting with someone. Just saying, for future duos, take the lead on play-by-play, but encourage your co-caster to throw a word in here and there and give them a moment or two of room in between flurries to make it clear that they're still there and haven't gone to get a drink. | ||
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Ramennoodlesoup
United States24 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. Step away from the emo. I repeat... | ||
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spybreak
United States684 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. Well someone needs a hug /hug | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. He and Gretorp agreed to how they would divide the commentary time between the two of them, and it flowed very well. I happen to think that TotalBiscuit's adrenaline-charged ranting was a perfect way to end a very tense game such as the last PvP. And judging from a lot of the comments in this thread, most of the fans agree that Gretorp and TotalBiscuit flowed well together. And many of those that didn't were the ones with preconceived notions about TotalBiscuit's casting that muted it in the beginning. That's their loss. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:59 Thrax wrote: Gretorp and TB meshed really well I felt, great games, great casting. I think iNcontroL and TB would also work great together, it would be very energetic. I would actually prefer Chief Moon (iNcontroL's alter ego) w/ TB. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:59 SnuggleZhenya wrote: Do us all a favor and get a life, seriously. I second that. "YOu have zero respect"? Come on, man. Nothing he said was unreasonable. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. - Yes he is the best caster - No he isn't about "his perspective" he's just describing how sports casting works and always has - Almost every SC commentary duo since the Klazart / sc2gg times have been doing duo's wrong because of simply lack of experience - TotalBiscuit has more experience than every bw youtube caster combined - He's helping our casters teaching them how to do duos - None of the other comentators find him disrespectful, in fact, they love him, you're just putting words in other people's mouth - TB > god | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 TT1 wrote: if u love him online.. meeting him person would make u want to marry him so chill : D hehe TT1 got a man crush on White-ra but then again dont we all:D And btw TT1 nice to see friends playing together. And still have alot of respect and manner to eachother no matter win or lose. Hope you win next week | ||
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Da3mon
Hungary20 Posts
 TB and Gretorp were great, I hope to see'em again! My only criticism would be that the audio balance between the commentators could have been better. My roommates were sleeping so I turned down the volume, and it was kinda hard to find a balance where TB was not loud (which is his default state ) and I could still hear Gretorp. Other than this great job! | ||
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unindel
United States206 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. What? He is not nearly that bad. Honestly I felt it was a bit weird that he did all the play-by-play since I'm used to hearing a mixture (and yea I prefer that for SC2, but that's just it, MY preference, not everyone's) and occasionally you'd hear Gretorp start to say a word, but TB is just explaining why he did what he did AND saying that was what they agreed to do ahead of time. If Gretorp knew that and had just let TB take it away completely I think I would have been completely fine with it too. Really though you should calm down about it, TB never said he was the best or the "end-all to casting." I do appreciate his bothering to post to clarify that, though comments like yours are good proof of why most casters don't read forums. | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. I'm just going to pull some statistics out of my ass and say that 90% of the fans approve of TotalBiscuit. TotalBiscuits also listen too 78% of the people fans knowing better than him, where the percentage of fans knowing better than him is 13.37%. The probability of a fan knowing better than him posting on TeamLiquid is around 2-3% and the probability of a fan knowing less than him posting on TeamLiquid is around 98.54%. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
, but all the play by play stuff was really good. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 20 2011 13:04 wei2coolman wrote: The only thing that really irked me was that there was bad analysis that TB had. , but all the play by play stuff was really good.So I can learn from that for future reference, can you point out the analysis that I did which you found incorrect? Would like to know what I misinterpreted so I can correct it in future. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:59 SnuggleZhenya wrote: Do us all a favor and get a life, seriously. +1 TB is simply explaining his philosophy on casting. Gretorp did the analysis after the big battle, and thats when it should be done. What is Gretorp going to say during the action O.o Catching the climax and adding emotion to it with commentary only adds to the cast. I respect your opinion, but your totally wrong. TB provides so much content for the gaming community in general. Whether it be SC, WoW, or indi developers. Don't go saying he doesn't give a shit. Because he very well could be at a law firm right now...He does it because he has a passion for gamers, and the gaming community, not for some cock and bull money opportunity. Your a fool if you think other wise. For a guy who puts multiple hours per day into the gaming community I just can't stand it when someone has the ignorance to say that he doesn't care, because he does, and it shows in every single piece of content he puts out. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46480 Posts
You haven't been watching the NASL lately, have you  | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 20 2011 13:06 wei2coolman wrote: Well, the Incontrol/Moman, game when Moman was 3base to Incontrols 2 base, you said it was "huge economic advantage" for moman. when in reality for ZvP, 1 base up is a small advantage for zerg, not a huge economic one. True but if I remember correctly he had around a 20 worker supply advantage which would consistute a huge economic advantage at that stage of the game I would think? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On May 20 2011 12:57 HoldenR wrote: You have zero respect for both the people listening to your casts and the people you're casting with. You're the one who doesn't play this game enough nor do you understand most of what's going on, yet you insist you know better than all the fans who enjoy this game on how they should enjoy it. I felt the same way as the guy you're quoting, and I'm pretty sure we're not alone, because it was blatantly obvious that you were drowning Gretorp out. Please get off your high horse. You are not the best caster, you are not the end-all to casting, there is no set standard for SC2 casting, it's a very new scene, it's constantly evolving, and if you want to do well you're going to have to listen to the fans of the sport(note: not the fans of YOU specifically, but fans of the game: every single one) on how to both improve yourself and how they'd like to see casting done in general. You always take an attitude of "it's about me and my perspective", but it's not. It's about the fans. And if they disagree with you, often, maybe it's time to stop ignoring everything they say and start looking at your own performance - despite how hard it might be to admit that to yourself. TotalBiscuit please ignore posters like this. You did a good job today and most of us enjoy your commentary. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 20 2011 13:08 TotalBiscuit wrote: True but if I remember correctly he had around a 20 worker supply advantage which would consistute a huge economic advantage at that stage of the game I would think? Not to mention that's not really analysis anyway, but an update on the state of the game at that point in time, which falls under the play-by-play category. | ||
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