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On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup.
The biggest difference here is the difference in tournament time. There's a fuckton GSLs, which means a year of SC2 dominance is basically like 2+ years of BW dominance.
This without considering BW has always been a much more competitive environment, and that MVP went to code A, very uncharacteristic of a Bonjwa.
So no, he's not there yet, and he's not closing it yet either. Be it Bonjwa or whatever word you want to use.
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On December 11 2011 15:11 hmsrenown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:09 zhurai wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff. We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him. they are all "ex-BW" players but their top forms are like years ago. the players right now in BW are currently are on a different level. MVP should be peaking in BW had he not switched. It's reasonable to assume so with his improved game before the switch and qualifying for starleague
That's pretty true. He was uping his game quite fast right before the switch.
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On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup.
no they don't
have you seen what most of them post? ._.
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On December 11 2011 15:12 bellsprout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:01 trinxified wrote:
Ultralisks need to be immune to snipe... drones should be immune to nuke
marines should be immune to banelings
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On December 11 2011 15:12 Sitinte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:11 Altern wrote:
Man every nuke connected...beautiful! He had to cancel the nuke outside the natural of the top right expansion because of the spine crawler there, I believe, due to an Overseer nearby.
No cloak at the time and in range of a spine, but yeah that one was cancelled.
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On December 11 2011 15:12 sickthink wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:On December 11 2011 14:59 aviator116 wrote:On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him. YOU play against MVP and tell me how it goes That's irrelevant. Anyone who ever argues with the "you couldn't do better" idea is always wrong on so many levels. Just because you aren't able to sing for instance, does that mean you can't critique music that sounds terrible? Xigua played horribly (in both games) and was completely outplayed. MVP had no reason (unless the minimap was too blurry for me) to pull back from his triple bunker/triple seige tank push, he had the game won at the point. There were only ~9 lings across the side of the map and he already had 1 tank and a bunker at his expansion to defend. The amount of banes/lings Xigua used to try his 2nd attempt at busting the push would have died if MVP left his units at the Zerg natural. Afterwards, MVP was really just toying with Xigua who couldn't handle his drop harass at all - why else would you bother to make 3 nukes (which requires that many academies) and 25+ cloaked ghosts? Fun game to watch but Xigua was nowhere close. I agree. He should've/could've ended it, but decided to make a spectacle of poor Xingua in front of a packed Korean crowd. To me, it's kind of BM to pull back and wait to rape someone like he did, embarrassing him like a little child who knew no better. He was clearly not playing on MVP's level, and MVP should've had the courtesy to win gracefully like the champ he is.
No MVP puleld back because of the flanking Zerglings. He(MVP was in no position to finish the game that quickly) He made the right call, he already had made enough damage
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Why do I get the feeling that, while the first posts about MVP being bonjwa were "serious", people who are saying it now are just trolling you guys?
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On December 11 2011 15:12 sickthink wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:On December 11 2011 14:59 aviator116 wrote:On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him. YOU play against MVP and tell me how it goes That's irrelevant. Anyone who ever argues with the "you couldn't do better" idea is always wrong on so many levels. Just because you aren't able to sing for instance, does that mean you can't critique music that sounds terrible? Xigua played horribly (in both games) and was completely outplayed. MVP had no reason (unless the minimap was too blurry for me) to pull back from his triple bunker/triple seige tank push, he had the game won at the point. There were only ~9 lings across the side of the map and he already had 1 tank and a bunker at his expansion to defend. The amount of banes/lings Xigua used to try his 2nd attempt at busting the push would have died if MVP left his units at the Zerg natural. Afterwards, MVP was really just toying with Xigua who couldn't handle his drop harass at all - why else would you bother to make 3 nukes (which requires that many academies) and 25+ cloaked ghosts? Fun game to watch but Xigua was nowhere close. I agree. He should've/could've ended it, but decided to make a spectacle of poor Xingua in front of a packed Korean crowd. To me, it's kind of BM to pull back and wait to rape someone like he did, embarrassing him like a little child who knew no better. He was clearly not playing on MVP's level, and MVP should've had the courtesy to win gracefully like the champ he is.
Did you not read all the complaints about MVP not playing out a long macro game for the finals? He did it because he knew he could win and figured he'd put on a show. Would people have rathered him win in 8 minutes?
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On December 11 2011 15:13 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup. The biggest difference here is the difference in tournament time. There's a fuckton GSLs, which means a year of SC2 dominance is basically like 2+ years of BW dominance. This without considering BW has always been a much more competitive environment, and that MVP went to code A, very uncharacteristic of a Bonjwa. So no, he's not there yet, and he's not closing it yet either. Be it Bonjwa or whatever word you want to use.
I don't get why people are so fucking attached to using that word. How is best player in the world of 2011 not suitable? In fact, it's 10x more suiting and undeniable.
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On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff. We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.
A big reason why many of the old guards are so hesitant to label someone bonjwa is because the game is still too new. Bonjwa was first used as a nickname for JulyZerg, and this was a couple years into the game (read: more than one). The game has not equilibriated itself yet, and patches are still far too frequent, compared to BW. Aside from that fact, if we were to give ForGG as much time as Mvp, we would see a much greater level of dominance.
NaDa, BoxeR, and July had their bonjwa terms years ago (save July, never a true bonjwa). They all do not practice with the same relentless drive as they did back in BW. They're also much older than Mvp, and do not have the same availability of time as Mvp.
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On December 11 2011 15:13 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup. no they don't have you seen what most of them post? ._.
lol
if they did stephano would be bonjwa after winning ipl :D
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On December 11 2011 15:12 bellsprout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:01 trinxified wrote:
Ultralisks need to be immune to snipe... drones should be immune to nuke
Zerg should be immune to terran attacks.
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On December 11 2011 15:10 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Didn't John the Translator say that bonjwa doesn't mean in Korean what the TL community means when they use it? I remember him saying once that bonjwa is just something a person says about themselves, as in "I am a good player".
Yeah, he said the west put too much value on the title bonjwa. The zerg that shall not be named is the only bonjwa bw actually had, Flash is god.
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On December 11 2011 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 14:59 aviator116 wrote:On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him. YOU play against MVP and tell me how it goes That's irrelevant. Anyone who ever argues with the "you couldn't do better" idea is always wrong on so many levels. Just because you aren't able to sing for instance, does that mean you can't critique music that sounds terrible? Xigua played horribly (in both games) and was completely outplayed. MVP had no reason (unless the minimap was too blurry for me) to pull back from his triple bunker/triple seige tank push, he had the game won at the point. There were only ~9 lings across the side of the map and he already had 1 tank and a bunker at his expansion to defend. The amount of banes/lings Xigua used to try his 2nd attempt at busting the push would have died if MVP left his units at the Zerg natural. Afterwards, MVP was really just toying with Xigua who couldn't handle his drop harass at all - why else would you bother to make 3 nukes (which requires that many academies) and 25+ cloaked ghosts? Fun game to watch but Xigua was nowhere close.
Game of imperfect information. Mvp did not see the lings you can see with full map vision so he had to make a guess of how large the counter attack could be. Better safe then sorry is what he decided to do and in this instance he might have been able to keep pushing.
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Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On December 11 2011 15:13 Sarang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:12 bellsprout wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 trinxified wrote:
Ultralisks need to be immune to snipe... drones should be immune to nuke marines should be immune to banelings
tanks should be immune to mutas
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On December 11 2011 15:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:13 mordk wrote:On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup. The biggest difference here is the difference in tournament time. There's a fuckton GSLs, which means a year of SC2 dominance is basically like 2+ years of BW dominance. This without considering BW has always been a much more competitive environment, and that MVP went to code A, very uncharacteristic of a Bonjwa. So no, he's not there yet, and he's not closing it yet either. Be it Bonjwa or whatever word you want to use. I don't get why people are so fucking attached to using that word. How is best player in the world of 2011 not suitable? In fact, it's 10x more suiting and undeniable.
Yeah, that's fine, and no one will dispute that one.
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On December 11 2011 15:11 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:09 darkness wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff. We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him. I meant S class pro gamers such as Bisu, Stork, JaeDong, Flash, Fantasy, etc. Does it really matter now? They don't seem to be switching any time soon. We will worry about that when it happens(if it happens). So far MVP is the best SC2 player in the world
Undeniable
He's been top since i started playing this damn game ages ago, and my bro showed me one of his games and even then he was considered tops, and hes the only one til now to still be consistently up at the top while all the others like mkp fell off.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On December 11 2011 15:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:13 mordk wrote:On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup. The biggest difference here is the difference in tournament time. There's a fuckton GSLs, which means a year of SC2 dominance is basically like 2+ years of BW dominance. This without considering BW has always been a much more competitive environment, and that MVP went to code A, very uncharacteristic of a Bonjwa. So no, he's not there yet, and he's not closing it yet either. Be it Bonjwa or whatever word you want to use. I don't get why people are so fucking attached to using that word. How is best player in the world of 2011 not suitable? In fact, it's 10x more suiting and undeniable.
Calm down dudeman :/ Don't get yourself heated like this
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On December 11 2011 15:13 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again. Why not? MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world. Not for us to decide though Who actually decides it though? The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7. It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken. Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW. So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup. The biggest difference here is the difference in tournament time. There's a fuckton GSLs, which means a year of SC2 dominance is basically like 2+ years of BW dominance. This without considering BW has always been a much more competitive environment, and that MVP went to code A, very uncharacteristic of a Bonjwa. So no, he's not there yet, and he's not closing it yet either. Be it Bonjwa or whatever word you want to use.
MVP went to Code A once, and got to the Code A finals and back into Code S immediately. Even Flash gets knocked out of OSL/MSL early sometimes.
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TSL_korea TSL
TSL_Polt join blizzard cup. Thank you for Mvp and Mr.Chae(GOM TV)
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Awww, cute ;P
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