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Lavi
Profile Joined November 2011
Bangladesh793 Posts
December 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#8501
That was the most successive nukes I've ever seen in a single game.
Two thumbs up!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#8502
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.


I meant S class pro gamers such as Bisu, Stork, JaeDong, Flash, Fantasy, etc.
R!!
Profile Joined November 2011
Brazil938 Posts
December 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#8503
On December 11 2011 15:06 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:04 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 Jehct wrote:
Anyone else think the finals being BO3 is kinda ridiculous? Doesn't make much sense when you consider the prize pool =/


Yeah, a finals should never be lower than Bo5, and Bo7 is the preferred for anything over 10k prize pool IMO

Xigua would've lost 0-4 anyways, better save himself and his country from the embarassment.


Why would his country be embarrassed?

That's the way it works when china is involved, ask them yourself.


Well I'm glad we have our TL expert on foreign affairs educating everyone.

I never claimed to be an expert, I simply have seen way too many times in both the wc3 and the DotA scene how touchy the chinese can get when their representatives lose in international events.
I like the part where sense is considered a common, settled thing.
HerbalTylenol
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
December 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#8504
On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.

It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken.

Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW.

So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 06:10:05
December 11 2011 06:09 GMT
#8505
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.

they are all "ex-BW" players but their top forms are like years ago. the players right now in BW are currently are on a different level.
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8506
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.


But those BW pros switched during their slumping phase. They didn't switch during their prime like the other BW pros will
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8507
On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.

It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken.


Then it's never going to be since I'm pretty sure koreans never really gave a shit about the word. It's only the foreign community that puts it on a pedestal.
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8508
On December 11 2011 15:09 R!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:06 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:04 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:04 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 Jehct wrote:
Anyone else think the finals being BO3 is kinda ridiculous? Doesn't make much sense when you consider the prize pool =/


Yeah, a finals should never be lower than Bo5, and Bo7 is the preferred for anything over 10k prize pool IMO

Xigua would've lost 0-4 anyways, better save himself and his country from the embarassment.


Why would his country be embarrassed?

That's the way it works when china is involved, ask them yourself.


Well I'm glad we have our TL expert on foreign affairs educating everyone.

I never claimed to be an expert, I simply have seen way too many times in both the wc3 and the DotA scene how touchy the chinese can get when their representatives lose in international events.

Because they're favourites. This kid is far from it.
Mioraka
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada1353 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8509
On December 11 2011 15:07 David451 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:06 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 Jehct wrote:
Anyone else think the finals being BO3 is kinda ridiculous? Doesn't make much sense when you consider the prize pool =/


Yeah, a finals should never be lower than Bo5, and Bo7 is the preferred for anything over 10k prize pool IMO

Xigua would've lost 0-4 anyways, better save himself and his country from the embarassment.


I feel proud considering my countryman xigua has got at least a 2nd place lols..
but seriously...there's no shame in losing to MVP as a zerg .. congrats to both players

As a Zerg? WTF. MVP TvT is better than his TvZ.


Ya MVP is obviously famous for his horrible TvZs......oh wait.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8510
On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.

It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken.

Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW.

So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup.


It's still too early even if he wins Blizzard Cup.
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
December 11 2011 06:10 GMT
#8511
On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.

It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken.


Didn't John the Translator say that bonjwa doesn't mean in Korean what the TL community means when they use it? I remember him saying once that bonjwa is just something a person says about themselves, as in "I am a good player".
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
December 11 2011 06:11 GMT
#8512
Man every nuke connected...beautiful!
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
December 11 2011 06:11 GMT
#8513
On December 11 2011 15:07 David451 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:06 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 R!! wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:02 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 Jehct wrote:
Anyone else think the finals being BO3 is kinda ridiculous? Doesn't make much sense when you consider the prize pool =/


Yeah, a finals should never be lower than Bo5, and Bo7 is the preferred for anything over 10k prize pool IMO

Xigua would've lost 0-4 anyways, better save himself and his country from the embarassment.


I feel proud considering my countryman xigua has got at least a 2nd place lols..
but seriously...there's no shame in losing to MVP as a zerg .. congrats to both players

As a Zerg? WTF. MVP TvT is better than his TvZ.


I don't know for sure if his TvT is better than his TvZ considering he pretty much has the best TvT and TvZ at the same time. However, it seems like you know it for sure.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 11 2011 06:11 GMT
#8514
On December 11 2011 15:09 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.


I meant S class pro gamers such as Bisu, Stork, JaeDong, Flash, Fantasy, etc.


errr Fantasy isn't S class. He's very good though ;/
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 11 2011 06:11 GMT
#8515
On December 11 2011 15:09 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.

they are all "ex-BW" players but their top forms are like years ago. the players right now in BW are currently are on a different level.

MVP should be peaking in BW had he not switched. It's reasonable to assume so with his improved game before the switch and qualifying for starleague
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 11 2011 06:11 GMT
#8516
On December 11 2011 15:09 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:08 slicknav wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 darkness wrote:
Wait for BW pro gamers to fully switch to SC2 and adapt, then throw the Bonjwa stuff.


We have had Nada, Boxer, and July all show mild success in SC2, but none have ever won anything major. MVP on the other hand, an ex-BW player, has been dominating for nearly a year. I can see why people would throw around the B word when describing him.


I meant S class pro gamers such as Bisu, Stork, JaeDong, Flash, Fantasy, etc.


Does it really matter now? They don't seem to be switching any time soon. We will worry about that when it happens(if it happens). So far MVP is the best SC2 player in the world
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 06:12:25
December 11 2011 06:12 GMT
#8517
On December 11 2011 15:11 Altern wrote:
Man every nuke connected...beautiful!


He had to cancel the nuke outside the natural of the top right expansion because of the spine crawler there, I believe, due to an Overseer nearby.
HerbalTylenol
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
December 11 2011 06:12 GMT
#8518
On December 11 2011 15:10 Amornthep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:09 HerbalTylenol wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:08 Tachion wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.

It's up to the Korean netizens if I'm not mistaken.

Except I'm fairly certain SC2 is bigger outside Korea. The opposite was true for BW.

So TLizens get to decide bonjwas imo...and MVP most definitely is turning out to be one! We'll see after Blizzard cup.


It's still too early even if he wins Blizzard Cup.

Nah, then it's the perfect time to call MVP the FIRST BONJWA of SC2! ! ! ! !
sickthink
Profile Joined December 2011
United States60 Posts
December 11 2011 06:12 GMT
#8519
On December 11 2011 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 14:59 aviator116 wrote:
On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him.

YOU play against MVP and tell me how it goes

That's irrelevant. Anyone who ever argues with the "you couldn't do better" idea is always wrong on so many levels. Just because you aren't able to sing for instance, does that mean you can't critique music that sounds terrible?

Xigua played horribly (in both games) and was completely outplayed. MVP had no reason (unless the minimap was too blurry for me) to pull back from his triple bunker/triple seige tank push, he had the game won at the point. There were only ~9 lings across the side of the map and he already had 1 tank and a bunker at his expansion to defend. The amount of banes/lings Xigua used to try his 2nd attempt at busting the push would have died if MVP left his units at the Zerg natural.

Afterwards, MVP was really just toying with Xigua who couldn't handle his drop harass at all - why else would you bother to make 3 nukes (which requires that many academies) and 25+ cloaked ghosts? Fun game to watch but Xigua was nowhere close.


I agree. He should've/could've ended it, but decided to make a spectacle of poor Xingua in front of a packed Korean crowd. To me, it's kind of BM to pull back and wait to rape someone like he did, embarrassing him like a little child who knew no better. He was clearly not playing on MVP's level, and MVP should've had the courtesy to win gracefully like the champ he is.
uniden... no unidennnnn! noooooooooooooo.....
bellsprout
Profile Joined June 2006
Australia219 Posts
December 11 2011 06:12 GMT
#8520
On December 11 2011 15:01 trinxified wrote:
Ultralisks need to be immune to snipe...

drones should be immune to nuke
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