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skypacer
Profile Joined July 2003
China174 Posts
December 11 2011 06:16 GMT
#8541
On December 11 2011 15:07 Mainland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:05 redviper wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Seeker wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:03 Zzoram wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 StarStruck wrote:
here comes the b word again.


Why not?

MVP isn't just the best player in the world, he's damn consistent. He either wins or places very highly in every tournament he enters. He's also been doing this for a year, across the world.


Not for us to decide though


Who actually decides it though?


The council does of course. The next scheduled meeting is the weekend of Jan 7.


+1.
MVP is by far my favorite Terran player, and Xigua has showed his solidity during this WCG, with winning all the games from the very beginning except for This two against MVP.

Xigua fighting!
by.Fantasy
FMStyles
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany162 Posts
December 11 2011 06:17 GMT
#8542
Bonjwa came and died with savior..
Weaklings can't pick their way of death.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 11 2011 06:17 GMT
#8543
Because he wasn't? Nestea and MC won just as much and look what's happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it will have any more weight.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 06:18:37
December 11 2011 06:18 GMT
#8544
On December 11 2011 15:12 sickthink wrote:
I agree. He should've/could've ended it, but decided to make a spectacle of poor Xingua in front of a packed Korean crowd. To me, it's kind of BM to pull back and wait to rape someone like he did, embarrassing him like a little child who knew no better. He was clearly not playing on MVP's level, and MVP should've had the courtesy to win gracefully like the champ he is.

What kind of non-sense is that? I think MVP guessed that speed banes would come soon. Keeping rallies when you don't have the Zerg fully contained means a group of Zerglings can kill your reinforcements while they're on their way. And standing for too long without reinforcements in front of three larvae-injected hatches is not exactly a wise thing to do. Based on what he knew or assumed (he could not know that, for some reason, XiGua was not getting speed bane at once), his decision was the correct one. Nothing to do with “toying with his opponent” which is not really something you would do when there's so much at stake.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
December 11 2011 06:20 GMT
#8545
On December 11 2011 15:12 sickthink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:05 PartyBiscuit wrote:
On December 11 2011 14:59 aviator116 wrote:
On December 11 2011 14:58 darkest44 wrote:
Xigua really didn't play "brilliant game" lets be honest... what did he do at all that was brilliant? All game he killed 1 CC and like 1 drop ship lol. MVP was toying with him.

YOU play against MVP and tell me how it goes

That's irrelevant. Anyone who ever argues with the "you couldn't do better" idea is always wrong on so many levels. Just because you aren't able to sing for instance, does that mean you can't critique music that sounds terrible?

Xigua played horribly (in both games) and was completely outplayed. MVP had no reason (unless the minimap was too blurry for me) to pull back from his triple bunker/triple seige tank push, he had the game won at the point. There were only ~9 lings across the side of the map and he already had 1 tank and a bunker at his expansion to defend. The amount of banes/lings Xigua used to try his 2nd attempt at busting the push would have died if MVP left his units at the Zerg natural.

Afterwards, MVP was really just toying with Xigua who couldn't handle his drop harass at all - why else would you bother to make 3 nukes (which requires that many academies) and 25+ cloaked ghosts? Fun game to watch but Xigua was nowhere close.


I agree. He should've/could've ended it, but decided to make a spectacle of poor Xingua in front of a packed Korean crowd. To me, it's kind of BM to pull back and wait to rape someone like he did, embarrassing him like a little child who knew no better. He was clearly not playing on MVP's level, and MVP should've had the courtesy to win gracefully like the champ he is.


What? No. Not even close to true.

MVP knows that most Terrans would pursue this push, which is what Zergs aim for. They want Terrans to keep spending units and committing to the push. A lot of good zergs will get a BUNCH of lings/blings, wait for the perfect moment, and attack. Also, lings ran by and were ready to flank MVP.

Rather than over extend and cost himself the game, MVP backed off. When you're ahead, get more ahead.

He saw 2 steps ahead of a disastrous result, he didn't do it to embarrass his opponent.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 11 2011 06:20 GMT
#8546
On December 11 2011 15:17 StarStruck wrote:
Because he wasn't? Nestea and MC won just as much and look what's happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it will have any more weight.

I'm not gonna argue about the word bonjwa, but MVP has consistently been winning throughout 2011 and has won a lot more tournaments and placed incredibly high far more often than MC or Nestea.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
December 11 2011 06:21 GMT
#8547
I remember when people were talking about ho wgood MKP/Fruitdealer was and the likes of the Makarax..IMMVP was heard to be switching over and he just started to dominate from the very beginning although he didnt manage to win the first GSL he played in.

He goes on to win the GSTL
he wins Multiple GSL
Then he goes onto to win MLG Anaheim in a dominate fashion
Blizzcon? Nailbiter with his teammate Nestea but he won that.
MLG Providence? Furthest terran by farr ranked and dominated everyone but losing to the eventual champion
And now...he's won WCG - the legendary tournament where he's now a member of great players (Boxer, Flash, Stork), and their tradition of taking 1st place in the tournament and showing country pride...

MVP is a bonjwa.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
December 11 2011 06:21 GMT
#8548
LOL!! Koreans even cast LoL..... that's awesome!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
December 11 2011 06:21 GMT
#8549
On December 11 2011 15:15 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:13 Sarang wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:12 bellsprout wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:01 trinxified wrote:
Ultralisks need to be immune to snipe...

drones should be immune to nuke

marines should be immune to banelings

tanks should be immune to mutas


Terran units should just never die
eSports for life.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2127 Posts
December 11 2011 06:21 GMT
#8550
Why are the finals a Best of 3...
John 15:13
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
December 11 2011 06:22 GMT
#8551
On December 11 2011 15:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:17 StarStruck wrote:
Because he wasn't? Nestea and MC won just as much and look what's happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it will have any more weight.

I'm not gonna argue about the word bonjwa, but MVP has consistently been winning throughout 2011 and has won a lot more tournaments and placed incredibly high far more often than MC or Nestea.


Let the picture of MVP's trophies talk.

[image loading]
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 11 2011 06:22 GMT
#8552
Same time frame man.

Everyone's digging the flavor of the week. Give it more time and we'll see what happens.

Champions aren't born in such small time-frames.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
December 11 2011 06:22 GMT
#8553
The funniest thing is people complaining about snipe when MVP got 20+ ghosts....sorry you don`t get that many ghosts without being waaaay ahead and he was way ahead mid game.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
December 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#8554
So impressed with MVP. By far the most accomplished and dominating player of 2011. Remember that MC/Nestea both got 1 of their GSL titles in 2010 too.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 11 2011 06:23 GMT
#8555
On December 11 2011 15:21 LighT. wrote:
I remember when people were talking about ho wgood MKP/Fruitdealer was and the likes of the Makarax..IMMVP was heard to be switching over and he just started to dominate from the very beginning although he didnt manage to win the first GSL he played in.

He goes on to win the GSTL
he wins Multiple GSL
Then he goes onto to win MLG Anaheim in a dominate fashion
Blizzcon? Nailbiter with his teammate Nestea but he won that.
MLG Providence? Furthest terran by farr ranked and dominated everyone but losing to the eventual champion
And now...he's won WCG - the legendary tournament where he's now a member of great players (Boxer, Flash, Stork), and their tradition of taking 1st place in the tournament and showing country pride...

MVP is a bonjwa.

no this doesnt make a player a bonjwa. lets just stop talk about it dont be silly. bonjwa is a sacred title that you just dont give to the most successful player at the end of the year
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
December 11 2011 06:24 GMT
#8556
I don't care about the word bonjwa. It's just a word. MVP's games speak for themselves. Even though he lost against Leenock this GSL, his game 1 and 2 and were a tremendous showing of skill. Best Terran easily. Also most consistent player this year.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
December 11 2011 06:24 GMT
#8557
On December 11 2011 15:22 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:17 StarStruck wrote:
Because he wasn't? Nestea and MC won just as much and look what's happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it will have any more weight.

I'm not gonna argue about the word bonjwa, but MVP has consistently been winning throughout 2011 and has won a lot more tournaments and placed incredibly high far more often than MC or Nestea.


Let the picture of MVP's trophies talk.

[image loading]


Hollllly shit haha. This made me smile ! What a monster.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
December 11 2011 06:25 GMT
#8558
finals were a bo3?
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 11 2011 06:25 GMT
#8559
Then you are showing zero respect.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 11 2011 06:26 GMT
#8560
On December 11 2011 15:22 anrimayu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 15:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 11 2011 15:17 StarStruck wrote:
Because he wasn't? Nestea and MC won just as much and look what's happened.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it will have any more weight.

I'm not gonna argue about the word bonjwa, but MVP has consistently been winning throughout 2011 and has won a lot more tournaments and placed incredibly high far more often than MC or Nestea.


Let the picture of MVP's trophies talk.

[image loading]


You should post that in his fanclub.
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