• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:36
CEST 06:36
KST 13:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off0[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris29Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
No Rain in ASL20? BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off Flash On His 2010 "God" Form, Mind Games, vs JD BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group D [ASL20] Ro24 Group B [ASL20] Ro24 Group C BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The year 2050 European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3275 users

WCG 2011 Grand Finals - Page 151

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 149 150 151 152 153 436 Next
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
December 08 2011 18:09 GMT
#3001
On December 09 2011 03:07 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:59 dgwow wrote:
Idra and Sen probably wouldn't have won the tournament anyways, so it's not so bad. The guys who went 6-0 in their group are going to be scary


The guys who went 6-0 (or 5-1) in their groups are not any more scary than sen or idra.

ye mvp sucks LOL
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:13:15
December 08 2011 18:11 GMT
#3002
Xigua just 6:0 some players who never be able to show themselves to any major/even small foreign tournament, not to mention GSL. Suddenly he become code S level, that's odd.

If this is due to Artosis, I strongly recommend you guys watch Sen vs Jack game from main stage. You knew Artosis how bias when he hypers.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 08 2011 18:11 GMT
#3003
On December 09 2011 03:05 Shadow_Dog wrote:
Are results anywhere?


Did you read the OP? Liquipedia hint hint
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 08 2011 18:13 GMT
#3004
Yes, Idra got knocked out early. It's not the end of the world guys. Let's move on and stop moping. He'll be in many more tournaments in the future.
MMA: The true King of Wings
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
December 08 2011 18:14 GMT
#3005
On December 09 2011 02:54 darkest44 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 00:26 Twistacles wrote:
Ohhh it was bo1s? That explains idra/sen not qualifying. Kinda lame, though.


Lol... Gotta love fanbois, always an excuse. Most group formats are best of 1s... GSL, MLG, Dreamhack etc. ...more stuff

lol'ing at someone while stating false facts, well done good sir!
/o\
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:23:47
December 08 2011 18:22 GMT
#3006
The bo1 system, mass group play makes me very sad. In a bo1 series I feel like potential racial imbalance and unfair spawning positions, is very troublesome. I very much doubt that anyone would disagree about the fact that in a bo1 where you don't get a chance to "get to know " your opponent, that terran players get slightly favoured because the way wall-offs work. Add in the fact that zerg early game is very volatile and it is basically a recipe for disaster.

Hopefully people read my post the right way and not like balance whine. My point is to be critical of WCG and their system, not how the races work.

Lastly, pretty please with sugar on top, stop calling WCG the "Olympics of Esports" because it isn't. WCG is a shadow of it former self, and the production is five to ten years behind today's standard. The quality on both VODs and the live stream, are by today's standard not acceptable.

aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 08 2011 18:28 GMT
#3007
nobodys making you watch wcg, just saying. so stop crying about stream quality and format kkthx
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:29:16
December 08 2011 18:28 GMT
#3008
i was hyping xigua for a while, then he did poorly @ iem guanzhou (prob spelling error, sorry!) so i began to doubt what I saw in him.

glad to see him go 6-0.

edit: lol @ idra losing to capoch for his only win. i wonder if it was a 1 or 2 base all in.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
December 08 2011 18:28 GMT
#3009
hopefully Canada can make it to the finals
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
December 08 2011 18:29 GMT
#3010
On December 09 2011 03:22 Pipeline wrote:
The bo1 system, mass group play makes me very sad. In a bo1 series I feel like potential racial imbalance and unfair spawning positions, is very troublesome. I very much doubt that anyone would disagree about the fact that in a bo1 where you don't get a chance to "get to know " your opponent, that terran players get slightly favoured because the way wall-offs work. Add in the fact that zerg early game is very volatile and it is basically a recipe for disaster.

Hopefully people read my post the right way and not like balance whine. My point is to be critical of WCG and their system, not how the races work.

Lastly, pretty please with sugar on top, stop calling WCG the "Olympics of Esports" because it isn't. WCG is a shadow of it former self, and the production is five to ten years behind today's standard. The quality on both VODs and the live stream, are by today's standard not acceptable.



All maps are cross spawns and GSTL has proven zergs are quite capable in bo1 scenarios.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 18:31:33
December 08 2011 18:30 GMT
#3011
On December 09 2011 03:29 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 03:22 Pipeline wrote:
The bo1 system, mass group play makes me very sad. In a bo1 series I feel like potential racial imbalance and unfair spawning positions, is very troublesome. I very much doubt that anyone would disagree about the fact that in a bo1 where you don't get a chance to "get to know " your opponent, that terran players get slightly favoured because the way wall-offs work. Add in the fact that zerg early game is very volatile and it is basically a recipe for disaster.

Hopefully people read my post the right way and not like balance whine. My point is to be critical of WCG and their system, not how the races work.

Lastly, pretty please with sugar on top, stop calling WCG the "Olympics of Esports" because it isn't. WCG is a shadow of it former self, and the production is five to ten years behind today's standard. The quality on both VODs and the live stream, are by today's standard not acceptable.



All maps are cross spawns and GSTL has proven zergs are quite capable in bo1 scenarios.


To clarify, all maps are forced cross spawns. MVP made a small complaint about it in the interview.
MMA: The true King of Wings
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 08 2011 18:31 GMT
#3012
On December 09 2011 03:11 eleaf wrote:
Xigua just 6:0 some players who never be able to show themselves to any major/even small foreign tournament, not to mention GSL. Suddenly he become code S level, that's odd.

If this is due to Artosis, I strongly recommend you guys watch Sen vs Jack game from main stage. You knew Artosis how bias when he hypers.


If you ever watched Xigua's replays before, you'd know he's very very good. He's extremely fast, great multitasking... He's just inconsistent. I'm not surprised at all to see him 6-0 his group, it was a weak group anyway.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
December 08 2011 18:34 GMT
#3013
Btw, what exactly is a Supermatch???
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
December 08 2011 18:40 GMT
#3014
I'm kind of surprised about how not interested I am in this. Maybe its because I have finals next week or something as well, the event just seems 'boring' =/
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
December 08 2011 18:43 GMT
#3015
On December 09 2011 03:29 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 03:22 Pipeline wrote:
The bo1 system, mass group play makes me very sad. In a bo1 series I feel like potential racial imbalance and unfair spawning positions, is very troublesome. I very much doubt that anyone would disagree about the fact that in a bo1 where you don't get a chance to "get to know " your opponent, that terran players get slightly favoured because the way wall-offs work. Add in the fact that zerg early game is very volatile and it is basically a recipe for disaster.

Hopefully people read my post the right way and not like balance whine. My point is to be critical of WCG and their system, not how the races work.

Lastly, pretty please with sugar on top, stop calling WCG the "Olympics of Esports" because it isn't. WCG is a shadow of it former self, and the production is five to ten years behind today's standard. The quality on both VODs and the live stream, are by today's standard not acceptable.



All maps are cross spawns and GSTL has proven zergs are quite capable in bo1 scenarios.


That's because players in the GSTL play according to very specific strategies (as snipers, to respond to an opponent's weak matchup against zerg, using a particular build that is strong against a particular map, etc.). When it's just a straight-up all-out group stage where the point is to get consistent results [hence round-robin format], bo1 doesn't make sense.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 08 2011 18:47 GMT
#3016
On December 09 2011 02:29 LuckyFool wrote:
Chinese players have always been fucking amazing they just never have a chance to show it to most westerners.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhou

4 chinese players on home field with a chance to show the westerners, zero made it through the group stages.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
December 08 2011 18:48 GMT
#3017
yeah i cant imagine zerg being anything but the worst race to play in a bo1 scenario

literally can die just for not having a drone patrolling your ramp in the first 2 minutes of the game >_>
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 08 2011 18:49 GMT
#3018
On December 09 2011 03:07 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:59 dgwow wrote:
Idra and Sen probably wouldn't have won the tournament anyways, so it's not so bad. The guys who went 6-0 in their group are going to be scary


The guys who went 6-0 (or 5-1) in their groups are not any more scary than sen or idra.

Yeah, I'm sure MVP would've gone 3-3 in his pool on a different day (LOL)
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 08 2011 18:49 GMT
#3019
On December 09 2011 03:47 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:29 LuckyFool wrote:
Chinese players have always been fucking amazing they just never have a chance to show it to most westerners.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhou

4 chinese players on home field with a chance to show the westerners, zero made it through the group stages.


Yeah, this is what i was thinking too. I was really looking forward to seeing Xigua play but it was simply horrible and disappointing. Can't really say anything else about the others either..

But today Xigua seemed to play very well, since he took down 3 fairly decent players.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
December 08 2011 18:51 GMT
#3020
No surprise to see Idra, Sen and Elfi out. Elfi is very good in PvP, but plays rather risky in other matchups. Idra and Sen, too bad that there were so many ZvZs, but I can imagine that Idra is not solid enough too survive the Bo1 group stage format, where a lot of cheese will happen. Look at Mvp, cruising 6-0 like a boss.
I am intrigued by the Chinese players. It was quite silent around that scene. Looks like they catch up pretty fast like in Wc3 if they are dedicated.
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
Prev 1 149 150 151 152 153 436 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL S2 Championship: Ro16
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 188
NeuroSwarm 112
Ketroc 67
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3930
Leta 618
ggaemo 75
Snow 62
Noble 33
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever788
League of Legends
JimRising 844
Counter-Strike
semphis_28
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor106
Other Games
tarik_tv11296
summit1g9507
shahzam731
WinterStarcraft599
C9.Mang0408
singsing268
ViBE213
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick950
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH211
• practicex 34
• OhrlRock 2
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1593
• Lourlo917
Other Games
• Scarra957
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
5h 24m
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
6h 24m
RotterdaM Event
10h 24m
Replay Cast
19h 24m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 6h
Cure vs Classic
ByuN vs TBD
herO vs TBD
TBD vs NightMare
TBD vs MaxPax
OSC
1d 7h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 19h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs herO
Cure vs Rogue
Classic vs HeRoMaRinE
Cosmonarchy
4 days
OyAji vs Sziky
Sziky vs WolFix
WolFix vs OyAji
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Bonyth
SC Evo League
5 days
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
SC Evo League
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 3
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
Acropolis #4 - TS1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.