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On May 15 2011 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. Because air units, backdoors, drops, and massive units don't exist 
Exactly. Going mutas against mass blink stalkers is nothing but idiotic. The only massive unit is ultras, which always implies terrible position and a near-maxed protoss. Backdoors can't be accessed when the map is split in half.
Drops are the only real option.... they rely on either your opponent not defending well enough, or not being able to efficiently base trade.
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On May 15 2011 12:58 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:54 namedplayer wrote:
dunno why zerg lose to protoss.. just play like Nestea Thing is, when you try to play like Nestea against an actual good Toss you just get rolled. Catz is fun to watch, he's the TLO of zerg, but for all his creativity it just feels so flimsy that it ends up frustrating me to no end when he loses and makes his race look bad. Oh, and can someone tell Gretorp that trying to use big words and failing makes him look like an idiot? Brevity is the soul of wit, damnit.
I guess that why Nestea's ZvP is so good right?
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'There's not anything wrong with bunker rushes, they're just too good.'
So many great quotes from Idra today.
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On May 15 2011 12:59 Tracedragon wrote:
"There's nothing wrong with bunker rushes, except that they're way too good."
LOL IDRA.
lmao "WE ONLY GET 75% BACK NOW"
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So is ok to say the map is imbalanced randomly, but 98 games where zerg holds a winning rate in every matchup is "not a big enough sample size"? lol give me a break
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On May 15 2011 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. Because air units, backdoors, drops, and massive units don't exist
None of those things are viable in ZvP; at best they're risky with minor potential payoffs.
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I want to see super-fast bunker pressure from Select. That micro...
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On May 15 2011 12:55 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:54 ffadicted wrote:On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. International: TvZ: 20-23 (46.5%) ZvP: 21-14 (60%) Korean: TvZ: 4-5 (44.4%) ZvP: 6-5 (54.5%) Zerg holds a winning record in every matchup in basically every league in that map. Can we drop the bullshit Zerg vs. Crossfire line of thought? There are more maps in the pool that are shitty for terran than for zerg. When you get a bigger sample size over a longer period of time, sure.
The stats is not enough to conclude that Z has no disadvantage on this map, but I think we could observe how 50ish percent of Z managed to overcome their opponents on this map. Any good Z will incorporate those strategies with their gameplay.
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On May 15 2011 13:00 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. Because air units, backdoors, drops, and massive units don't exist None of those things are viable in ZvP; at best they're risky with minor potential payoffs.
Catz doesn't give a fuck about what is viable or not
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On May 15 2011 12:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:58 Hollis wrote:On May 15 2011 12:54 namedplayer wrote:
dunno why zerg lose to protoss.. just play like Nestea Thing is, when you try to play like Nestea against an actual good Toss you just get rolled. Catz is fun to watch, he's the TLO of zerg, but for all his creativity it just feels so flimsy that it ends up frustrating me to no end when he loses and makes his race look bad. Oh, and can someone tell Gretorp that trying to use big words and failing makes him look like an idiot? Brevity is the soul of wit, damnit. I guess that why Nestea's ZvP is so good right?
Nestea's ZvP looked good in the GSL finals because Inca isn't GSL finals material. Put Nestea up against someone like MC or Squirtle and we'll see how good his ZvP is.
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Idra really needs to pay a bit more attention to the production tab, last game he was saying Catz was all in for 2 mins as he was making 9 drones.
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Thing is, when you try to play like Nestea against an actual good Toss you just get rolled.
Seriously? When u emulate Nestea you get rolled? Nestea, the GodZerg? I don't think you've thought that statement through.
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On May 15 2011 13:01 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 13:00 Hollis wrote:On May 15 2011 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. Because air units, backdoors, drops, and massive units don't exist None of those things are viable in ZvP; at best they're risky with minor potential payoffs. Catz doesn't give a fuck about what is viable or not
And we love him for it :3
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On May 15 2011 13:00 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. Because air units, backdoors, drops, and massive units don't exist None of those things are viable in ZvP; at best they're risky with minor potential payoffs.
Then you don't know how to play ZvP. Multi-pronged attacks are exactly how Zerg is supposed to be played. Zerg doesn't do deathball.
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On May 15 2011 12:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:58 Hollis wrote:On May 15 2011 12:54 namedplayer wrote:
dunno why zerg lose to protoss.. just play like Nestea Thing is, when you try to play like Nestea against an actual good Toss you just get rolled. Catz is fun to watch, he's the TLO of zerg, but for all his creativity it just feels so flimsy that it ends up frustrating me to no end when he loses and makes his race look bad. Oh, and can someone tell Gretorp that trying to use big words and failing makes him look like an idiot? Brevity is the soul of wit, damnit. I guess that why Nestea's ZvP is so good right?
His ZvP looks good because he really only plays Anypro, Inca, Choya, and SangHo
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On May 15 2011 13:01 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:55 Serpico wrote:On May 15 2011 12:54 ffadicted wrote:On May 15 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Over and over I ask myself why this map is in the pool. There is simply no real answer to forcefields. International: TvZ: 20-23 (46.5%) ZvP: 21-14 (60%) Korean: TvZ: 4-5 (44.4%) ZvP: 6-5 (54.5%) Zerg holds a winning record in every matchup in basically every league in that map. Can we drop the bullshit Zerg vs. Crossfire line of thought? There are more maps in the pool that are shitty for terran than for zerg. When you get a bigger sample size over a longer period of time, sure. The stats is not enough to conclude that Z has no disadvantage on this map, but I think we could observe how 50ish percent of Z managed to overcome their opponents on this map. Any good Z will incorporate those strategies with their gameplay.
Well considering the counter argument is "Crossfire is imbalanced against Zerg" you have to show at least SOME evidence for that statement. Unfortunately you can't because the only evidence available shows a favorable win % for Zerg. Sorry, but the "map is balanced" argument wins here.
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Ret is a retarded amount ahead, omg
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On May 15 2011 13:02 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:On May 15 2011 12:58 Hollis wrote:On May 15 2011 12:54 namedplayer wrote:
dunno why zerg lose to protoss.. just play like Nestea Thing is, when you try to play like Nestea against an actual good Toss you just get rolled. Catz is fun to watch, he's the TLO of zerg, but for all his creativity it just feels so flimsy that it ends up frustrating me to no end when he loses and makes his race look bad. Oh, and can someone tell Gretorp that trying to use big words and failing makes him look like an idiot? Brevity is the soul of wit, damnit. I guess that why Nestea's ZvP is so good right? Nestea's ZvP looked good in the GSL finals because Inca isn't GSL finals material. Put Nestea up against someone like MC or Squirtle and we'll see how good his ZvP is.
Nesteas record V. Toss for the gsl was 17-3. Id say his ZvP is pretty fantastic.
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