EPTOn May 15 2011 13:04 Wipples wrote:
Nesteas record V. Toss for the gsl was 17-3. Id say his ZvP is pretty fantastic.
Nesteas record V. Toss for the gsl was 17-3. Id say his ZvP is pretty fantastic.
And yet he still says toss is OP :/
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And yet he still says toss is OP :/ | ||
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Germany5638 Posts
On May 15 2011 12:59 garlicface wrote: I love this Idratorp/GredrA combo. yeah gotta say they work surprisingly well together. while its barely real casting what they do its def very enjoyable. no technical bullshit, nice casting and top notch matchups today, seems like the first day of nasl i watch from start to end :D | ||
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On May 15 2011 13:03 Moonwrath wrote: Well considering the counter argument is "Crossfire is imbalanced against Zerg" you have to show at least SOME evidence for that statement. Unfortunately you can't because the only evidence available shows a favorable win % for Zerg. Sorry, but the "map is balanced" argument wins here. The evidence is called "common sense." The stats are irrelevant if they ignore the players, the mistakes, and other crucial specifics. And the sample size is small. | ||
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On May 15 2011 12:57 ffadicted wrote: Saying 98 games is not a good enough sample size makes you look retarded You also have to take into account which players played whom in those statistics, or otherwise, they're misleading. I mean, if it was July or NesTea owning up players like anypro on that map, it's the skill difference that won them the game. The game that burns fresh in my mind is the sC vs. NesTea game, where sC made so many more small mistakes than NesTea, yet the game still came down to the wire. Every game I've seen on that map where a strong 2-3 base Terran plays a solid contain game on the high ground, the Zerg almost always loses. Although, I do think that the map is more skewed towards TvZ than PvZ, as the stats show. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:00 Hollis wrote: None of those things are viable in ZvP; at best they're risky with minor potential payoffs. Yes they are. A baneling drop on the mineral line only has a minor potential payoff? Or baneling drop with ling roach on the army? Or mass muta which is pretty strong until the Protoss get Templar or went Stargate. And all Zergs should use backdoors because it exploits Protoss' main weakness. Immobility compared to the Zerg. Ofcourse you can't use all of these in every game, some maps it's just no feasible but to just completely write them all off as not viable? Lol. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:02 Hollis wrote: Nestea's ZvP looked good in the GSL finals because Inca isn't GSL finals material. Put Nestea up against someone like MC or Squirtle and we'll see how good his ZvP is. Inca's PvZ is terrible. Who's talking about him? Someone like MC? Oh wait, he's already beaten MC in Season 2. Granted, MC wasn't at good at execution as he is now). Someone like Squirtle (who still hasn't made Code S)? Oh wait, he already beaten Squirtle in the GSTL. Guess your statement has zero legs to stand on. | ||
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Serpico
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saying "well the best zerg in the world is good against protoss so all zerg should be" is asinine. If the best zerg in the world can't have a good win rate against protoss then it would be hopeless. Plus he hasn't had to play people like MC lately. | ||
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Moonwrath
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On May 15 2011 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote: The evidence is called "common sense." The stats are irrelevant if they ignore the players, the mistakes, and other crucial specifics. And the sample size is small. And your "evidence" is irrelevant because time and time again, the actual games show that Zerg still wins a fair amount of games on the map. I agree that the map architecture seems like it should be anti-zerg, but in practice it just doesn't play out that way. End of story. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On May 15 2011 13:05 jdseemoreglass wrote: The evidence is called "common sense." The stats are irrelevant if they ignore the players, the mistakes, and other crucial specifics. And the sample size is small. "My common sense > 100 games of professional proof", ok lol | ||
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