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On May 09 2011 17:21 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:25 tdt wrote:On May 09 2011 16:13 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 15:57 tdt wrote:On May 09 2011 15:42 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 15:38 drewbie.root wrote:
yeah, he must be pretty over rated if he lost to drewbie Like or not you are one of the weaker pros Compared to who? He's prolly #1 or #2 NA Terran. Sure he's not at MvP's level but who is? Uh, probably people like Maker, Gositerran, Moonan, Astalife, Strelok, Pokebunny, Baz, and a lot of others Stelok is not NA and who? only NA Terran I'd put above drewbie is QXC. By definition top. Well select and QXC are obvious choices to put above drewbie. Drewbie is from my home province in canada (i wonder where he lives on vancouver island i used to live in victoria for a few years but now live in vancouver, would be cool if he was from victoria) so i have alot of respect for him, but in terms of skill right now (maybe not results) i would put qxc moonan dde select and probably sixjaxterran above him in terms of skill (sixjax terran shows huge potential need to see more games to make a solid conclusion) and i would put stalife slightly lower or around the same (also fromm BC) oh and i would also put fenix above him he currently lives in NA so i would count him. Also i would put Spades at a very similair level. There is no doubt hes a top NA terran but i defenetly wouldnt say to 1 or 2 i would say his skill level is very close to the people i mentioned with QXC , dde select and fenix for sure above him in terms of skill and spades stalife moonan sjterran at a similair skill level (maybe moonan slightly above) Its subjective and hard to say, hes defenetly a to 10 NA terran and a top 25 Western terran. Thats nothing to snuff at, GO DREWBIE British columbia pride :D
Well Select obviously is Korean and as far as i know, South Korea is in Asia not North America.
Since the start of 2011 QXC results and performances have been really really ... worse than drewbies, and his lans... well yeah.
+ Show Spoiler + and + Show Spoiler + will be going to New York for TSL finals, and will stay there for week or so, tell me, does that make them NA players just like Fenix ?
Also should we count all players that attended MLG as NA players, i mean they did spend more than 1 night there.
Idra is also a top 1000 NA zerg, but hes also top 1 NA zerg, just like drewbie is a top 10 NA terran and a top 3 NA terran 
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BoxeR wiping Tyler was the obvious one for me o.o I used it as a kicker on my parlay..........
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On May 09 2011 12:48 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 12:39 loveeholicce wrote:On May 09 2011 12:36 ziggurat wrote:
Idra casting will be good. There won't be any fake enthusiasm or exaggerated statements about how good the players are. Idra will NOT say anything good about ANYONE if he doesn't mean it. As much as I dislike husky's casting, I really feel the NASL needs someone like him. Gretorp and incontrol are both great at being the informative / analytical caster but right now theres just no energy I feel. I guess that's personal preference then, as I much prefer iNc/Gretorp over Husky. But if you want high energy casters who focus more on speaking fast than actually covering what's going on there is always TB at IPL. I guess there is something for everyone then
No, don't get me wrong I love inc / gretorp and I like their analytical style but I feel now they're too laid back. There's like 0 energy in their casting. I still like it, but I feel it could be improved a lot
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So many games not recommended. Well I guess I'll watch Boxer.
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On May 09 2011 19:38 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 12:48 Vorenius wrote:On May 09 2011 12:39 loveeholicce wrote:On May 09 2011 12:36 ziggurat wrote:
Idra casting will be good. There won't be any fake enthusiasm or exaggerated statements about how good the players are. Idra will NOT say anything good about ANYONE if he doesn't mean it. As much as I dislike husky's casting, I really feel the NASL needs someone like him. Gretorp and incontrol are both great at being the informative / analytical caster but right now theres just no energy I feel. I guess that's personal preference then, as I much prefer iNc/Gretorp over Husky. But if you want high energy casters who focus more on speaking fast than actually covering what's going on there is always TB at IPL. I guess there is something for everyone then No, don't get me wrong I love inc / gretorp and I like their analytical style but I feel now they're too laid back. There's like 0 energy in their casting. I still like it, but I feel it could be improved a lot
First people complained they overhyped, so they toned down. Its hard to have the right amount of energy for everyone, especially as it depends on the game.
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On May 09 2011 13:55 Vendor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 13:54 mango_destroyer wrote:On May 09 2011 13:51 MUFFINS1 wrote:On May 09 2011 13:48 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 13:47 Ezze wrote:On May 09 2011 13:45 sAfuRos wrote:
It reminds a bit of Artosis...A caliber Brood War players who for some reason are not at the top of sc2, which is mind boggling to me. Ah well...they have the capability, hopefully Tyler gets into his Stride Dude Tyler isn't the greatest right now, but he's nowhere near as bad as Artosis come on... Never said they were the same, said they had a similar problem I would agree...Artosis is hardly a top Masters player, let alone GM. To be honest his games vs fenix i would have to argue that he barely masters caliber or lower Not saying Artosis is awesome, but to be fair he is playing these NASL games at like 5 am and with latency which comes from playing from Korea. Yeah his recent streaming that he does on normal Korean time and normal latency are much better then what he has been able to show at NASL.
You are as good as what your opponents allow you to be.. he wasn't playing Fenix, Moon and others..
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On May 09 2011 22:24 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 13:55 Vendor wrote:On May 09 2011 13:54 mango_destroyer wrote:On May 09 2011 13:51 MUFFINS1 wrote:On May 09 2011 13:48 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 13:47 Ezze wrote:On May 09 2011 13:45 sAfuRos wrote:
It reminds a bit of Artosis...A caliber Brood War players who for some reason are not at the top of sc2, which is mind boggling to me. Ah well...they have the capability, hopefully Tyler gets into his Stride Dude Tyler isn't the greatest right now, but he's nowhere near as bad as Artosis come on... Never said they were the same, said they had a similar problem I would agree...Artosis is hardly a top Masters player, let alone GM. To be honest his games vs fenix i would have to argue that he barely masters caliber or lower Not saying Artosis is awesome, but to be fair he is playing these NASL games at like 5 am and with latency which comes from playing from Korea. Yeah his recent streaming that he does on normal Korean time and normal latency are much better then what he has been able to show at NASL. You are as good as what your opponents allow you to be.. he wasn't playing Fenix, Moon and others..
no offence to fenix, but beyond doing well in the NASL he looked like a player being left behind by the game, maybe he is now coming back after a slump, i dont know.
ask anyone who has played both NA and KR ladder and they will tell you that the kr ladder is harder than even going against pros on NA.
ive enjoyed artosis's stream alot, he shows he knows his stuff and can play well. his biggest problem appears to be frustration and pressure. he doesnt seem to deal with either very well.
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On May 09 2011 13:38 Engore wrote:
Not sure how much Tyler's been practicing lately but if you ask most professional athletes they say the only way to get out of a slump is to practice all the time. Seems like that would transfer to sc2 as well but i can't speak to that.
Hopefully he gets out of this slump soon i really think he can still compete at a high level and i want to see him competing well again.
To say that a player is in a 'slump' means such player must have been playing at a superior level sometime in the past... I don't think that applies to Tyler -- BW doesn't count.
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On May 09 2011 22:30 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:24 s4life wrote:On May 09 2011 13:55 Vendor wrote:On May 09 2011 13:54 mango_destroyer wrote:On May 09 2011 13:51 MUFFINS1 wrote:On May 09 2011 13:48 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 13:47 Ezze wrote:On May 09 2011 13:45 sAfuRos wrote:
It reminds a bit of Artosis...A caliber Brood War players who for some reason are not at the top of sc2, which is mind boggling to me. Ah well...they have the capability, hopefully Tyler gets into his Stride Dude Tyler isn't the greatest right now, but he's nowhere near as bad as Artosis come on... Never said they were the same, said they had a similar problem I would agree...Artosis is hardly a top Masters player, let alone GM. To be honest his games vs fenix i would have to argue that he barely masters caliber or lower Not saying Artosis is awesome, but to be fair he is playing these NASL games at like 5 am and with latency which comes from playing from Korea. Yeah his recent streaming that he does on normal Korean time and normal latency are much better then what he has been able to show at NASL. You are as good as what your opponents allow you to be.. he wasn't playing Fenix, Moon and others.. no offence to fenix, but beyond doing well in the NASL he looked like a player being left behind by the game, maybe he is now coming back after a slump, i dont know. ask anyone who has played both NA and KR ladder and they will tell you that the kr ladder is harder than even going against pros on NA. ive enjoyed artosis's stream alot, he shows he knows his stuff and can play well. his biggest problem appears to be frustration and pressure. he doesnt seem to deal with either very well.
He wasn't playing for a couple of months due to broken hand or so I've heard. For someone the game was 'leaving behind' he dismantled Artosis in a way I've never ever seen done in a casted match between pros.
As for your other point, are you really saying that the NASL competition for Artosis is in similar level as players from the Master league in KR server?? you gotta be joking or speaking out fanboyism and ignorance.
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On May 09 2011 13:42 DrivE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 13:41 QuanChi wrote:
Damn, incontrol is such a good commentator. He is getting better and better. Nice job man, keep it up Not only incontrol, Gretorp is also getting pretty good.
the you're so smart, im so dumb line is getting pretty old. i like that they are more than happy to laugh at the situation and themselves. its a really good unique style rather than just carbon copy of another caster. but i think gretorp should man up a little bit and disagree with incontrol a little more.
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IdrA is on a warpath, i'm LOVING his play right now, its flawless
i'm believing that he can go 9-0 in his group
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On May 09 2011 22:42 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:30 turdburgler wrote:On May 09 2011 22:24 s4life wrote:On May 09 2011 13:55 Vendor wrote:On May 09 2011 13:54 mango_destroyer wrote:On May 09 2011 13:51 MUFFINS1 wrote:On May 09 2011 13:48 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 13:47 Ezze wrote:On May 09 2011 13:45 sAfuRos wrote:
It reminds a bit of Artosis...A caliber Brood War players who for some reason are not at the top of sc2, which is mind boggling to me. Ah well...they have the capability, hopefully Tyler gets into his Stride Dude Tyler isn't the greatest right now, but he's nowhere near as bad as Artosis come on... Never said they were the same, said they had a similar problem I would agree...Artosis is hardly a top Masters player, let alone GM. To be honest his games vs fenix i would have to argue that he barely masters caliber or lower Not saying Artosis is awesome, but to be fair he is playing these NASL games at like 5 am and with latency which comes from playing from Korea. Yeah his recent streaming that he does on normal Korean time and normal latency are much better then what he has been able to show at NASL. You are as good as what your opponents allow you to be.. he wasn't playing Fenix, Moon and others.. no offence to fenix, but beyond doing well in the NASL he looked like a player being left behind by the game, maybe he is now coming back after a slump, i dont know. ask anyone who has played both NA and KR ladder and they will tell you that the kr ladder is harder than even going against pros on NA. ive enjoyed artosis's stream alot, he shows he knows his stuff and can play well. his biggest problem appears to be frustration and pressure. he doesnt seem to deal with either very well. He wasn't playing for a couple of months due to broken hand or so I've heard. For someone the game was 'leaving behind' he dismantled Artosis in a way I've never ever seen done in a casted match between pros. As for your other point, are you really saying that the NASL competition for Artosis is in similar level as players from the Master league in KR server?? you gotta be joking or speaking out fanboyism and ignorance.
people put too much weight on the fenix artosis game. he put his sentry at the front of his ramp and then didnt use a forcefield. maybe lag maybe a big derp who knows. his build clearly relied on that sentry to protect him. when under pressure he was unable to spend his money. like i said pressure and nerves. i meant in game pressure, not pressure to perform.
if you actually watch artosis's stream he beats plenty of code a level players.
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Tyler pushed at the anti-timing against boxer. His macro and mechanics are strong, but his push in game 2 against boxer was silly. At that point in the game terran will be ahead about 30 supply, he could have won that game if he just sat back until he was maxed and then let his upgrades and the strength of the protoss deathball win him the game.
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Wow, Socke beat Cloud 2-0.
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On May 09 2011 22:52 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 22:42 s4life wrote:On May 09 2011 22:30 turdburgler wrote:On May 09 2011 22:24 s4life wrote:On May 09 2011 13:55 Vendor wrote:On May 09 2011 13:54 mango_destroyer wrote:On May 09 2011 13:51 MUFFINS1 wrote:On May 09 2011 13:48 sAfuRos wrote:On May 09 2011 13:47 Ezze wrote:On May 09 2011 13:45 sAfuRos wrote:
It reminds a bit of Artosis...A caliber Brood War players who for some reason are not at the top of sc2, which is mind boggling to me. Ah well...they have the capability, hopefully Tyler gets into his Stride Dude Tyler isn't the greatest right now, but he's nowhere near as bad as Artosis come on... Never said they were the same, said they had a similar problem I would agree...Artosis is hardly a top Masters player, let alone GM. To be honest his games vs fenix i would have to argue that he barely masters caliber or lower Not saying Artosis is awesome, but to be fair he is playing these NASL games at like 5 am and with latency which comes from playing from Korea. Code a players are kr grandmaster, artosis is not at that level. Yeah his recent streaming that he does on normal Korean time and normal latency are much better then what he has been able to show at NASL. You are as good as what your opponents allow you to be.. he wasn't playing Fenix, Moon and others.. no offence to fenix, but beyond doing well in the NASL he looked like a player being left behind by the game, maybe he is now coming back after a slump, i dont know. ask anyone who has played both NA and KR ladder and they will tell you that the kr ladder is harder than even going against pros on NA. ive enjoyed artosis's stream alot, he shows he knows his stuff and can play well. his biggest problem appears to be frustration and pressure. he doesnt seem to deal with either very well. He wasn't playing for a couple of months due to broken hand or so I've heard. For someone the game was 'leaving behind' he dismantled Artosis in a way I've never ever seen done in a casted match between pros. As for your other point, are you really saying that the NASL competition for Artosis is in similar level as players from the Master league in KR server?? you gotta be joking or speaking out fanboyism and ignorance. people put too much weight on the fenix artosis game. he put his sentry at the front of his ramp and then didnt use a forcefield. maybe lag maybe a big derp who knows. his build clearly relied on that sentry to protect him. when under pressure he was unable to spend his money. like i said pressure and nerves. i meant in game pressure, not pressure to perform. if you actually watch artosis's stream he beats plenty of code a level players.
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Can anyone give me a quick lowdown of the socke/cloud and boxer/tyler games? I missed them and won't be able to watch the euro restream :[
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Hi! Was this rebraodcasted for europe or will it still be today (9.05.2011 in Germany)?
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On May 09 2011 17:23 cheesemaster wrote:
Oh hey by the way i was just looking at the ladder , does anyone know who is playing on that OGS account in the top 200, its ranked 67th with a pretty decent record and the main race is protoss, im assuming ogs mc?
edit: he was 67th a minute ago and now hes 80th wow gm league really fluctating so many people with 2 or 3 points of each other from 60 -85 also glad to see new people actually getting in, moonglade is new to the gm league this weak as well as the OGS account and softball (who im assuming is the taiwanese player and it looks like dde also go in this week on his second account (sixjaxdde) instead of his NRGdde account wich is currently sitting at 2nd while his sixjax account is sitting at 149th with 25 wins 7 losses
Which oGs account are you talking about?
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On May 10 2011 00:04 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 17:23 cheesemaster wrote:
Oh hey by the way i was just looking at the ladder , does anyone know who is playing on that OGS account in the top 200, its ranked 67th with a pretty decent record and the main race is protoss, im assuming ogs mc?
edit: he was 67th a minute ago and now hes 80th wow gm league really fluctating so many people with 2 or 3 points of each other from 60 -85 also glad to see new people actually getting in, moonglade is new to the gm league this weak as well as the OGS account and softball (who im assuming is the taiwanese player and it looks like dde also go in this week on his second account (sixjaxdde) instead of his NRGdde account wich is currently sitting at 2nd while his sixjax account is sitting at 149th with 25 wins 7 losses
Which oGs account are you talking about?
I'd imagine it's just a shared account that oGs and Liquid members can use while playing on the NA server.
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I just came to re-iterate. I wasn't a big Drewbie fan at the beginning of this night of play, but he showed phenomenal play against Zenio. If he could consistently be that good I think he could compete with Jinro/Huk in Korea, not to mention a number of the better Zergs.
Could he beat July? Nah... but he'd give most of the others a run for their money.
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