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On May 09 2011 04:52 purpose wrote:
I just cant get over the fact that people whine about Nani not trying anything beside 4gate. He FREAKING won the semi 4-1, he outclassed his opponent in such a short time.
Give me one....ONE good reason why the fuck he should try something els? To get some respect from a few tl.net members who are sore losers because there player lost?
FAce the facts, this is not a style point competition. You win the game and thats it....case closed!
from what i've read so far (and my own opinion), most people think it's not a problem with the players, but a problem with pvp in general. it's boring, and frustrating, that protoss has one build that is so strong compared to anything else you can do. even on maps with small ramps; 4-gate won in this series (although that seems to be player error here).
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On May 09 2011 04:58 Ezze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:55 Resilient wrote:
Congratulations Naniwa. Even though 4G sucks to watch, you did what it took to win and proved why you're probably the most on form non-korean at the moment. Which Korean do you think can beat him? Just curious.
I can think of a few lol.
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On May 09 2011 05:01 CycoDude wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:52 purpose wrote:
I just cant get over the fact that people whine about Nani not trying anything beside 4gate. He FREAKING won the semi 4-1, he outclassed his opponent in such a short time.
Give me one....ONE good reason why the fuck he should try something els? To get some respect from a few tl.net members who are sore losers because there player lost?
FAce the facts, this is not a style point competition. You win the game and thats it....case closed! from what i've read so far (and my own opinion), most people think it's not a problem with the players, but a problem with pvp in general. it's boring, and frustrating, that protoss has one build that is so strong compared to anything else you can do. even on maps with small ramps; 4-gate won in this series (although that seems to be player error here).
guys calm down....this is why the patch is coming lol. you guys heard about 1.3 right?
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lol
it's good they're humorous
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On May 09 2011 05:00 KoBlades wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:52 purpose wrote:
I just cant get over the fact that people whine about Nani not trying anything beside 4gate. He FREAKING won the semi 4-1, he outclassed his opponent in such a short time.
Give me one....ONE good reason why the fuck he should try something els? To get some respect from a few tl.net members who are sore losers because there player lost?
FAce the facts, this is not a style point competition. You win the game and thats it....case closed! i wouldnt call almost 40.000 people a few, you know..
I very much daubt that 40k people whine about Naniwa 4 gating his way to a NY final in TSL3. Compared to tl.net member total, it is a few that hates on Naniwa and complain that he did not mix up builds.
Overall, everytime people use the argument that a player did not mix up or try something els, its always just sore losers!
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On May 09 2011 04:58 Ezze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:55 Resilient wrote:
Congratulations Naniwa. Even though 4G sucks to watch, you did what it took to win and proved why you're probably the most on form non-korean at the moment. Which Korean do you think can beat him? Just curious.
Well I only wrote non-Korean because I only follow GSL and it's possible there's someone there on a similar streak 
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On May 09 2011 04:56 ridonkulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:54 DexLy wrote:
How can people complain about the entertainment value of these games? didn't we all know it'd be a 4gate fest alrdy? Will always be in PvP until 1.3.3 -.-
do u really u think 1.3.3 will change anything? i mean both players will be affected by slightly later wg ... ..
The faster early sentries do mean a lot...
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Well I enjoyed those games Found them tense. Naniwa is just sooo good
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On May 09 2011 05:02 hugman wrote:lol it's good they're humorous
hahaha rakaka trolling everyone 
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On May 09 2011 04:58 Tracedragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:54 MoonBear wrote:On May 09 2011 04:50 Defeat wrote:
I love the nerds raging on Naniwa for 4 gating. When a game is for a chance to win 15k you do whatever you need to (in game wise) to win. Naniwa stuck to the basics because he knew he could come out on top. It doesn't matter that the basics for this matchup might be boring to you.
Feels resentment to White-Ra vs MC a month ago. This is correct. Hasu showed some bad decision making these few games. Game 4 he did not scout for proxies and was punished with a proxy-gate into 4 gate. Every time he tried to wall off, he didn't wall off properly and let Naniwa into his base. Game 5 when it was a 4-gate battle, he chose to tech and not get sentries. This meant Naniwa straight up busted his way into Hasu's base before Hasu's tech could kick in. If anything, Naniwa exploited Hasu's bad decision making and response to 4-gates and repeatedly punished him for it. It's as simple as that. There's $15k on the line. Naniwa is not going to leave this up to chance. If you know someone always plays Paper, it's not cheese to go Scissors. It's just the correct decision. Thank you for this, MoonBear. And thank you for the great LRs. <3 Also... DAT KYUBEY.
Coobie says I can grant you a wish if you become Meguca. Would you like a wish? <3
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On May 09 2011 04:58 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:53 Shjade wrote:On May 09 2011 04:45 MxW wrote:
Can't believe people are complaining about one base play in PvP. When you're interested in seeing high-level competition and excitement and what you get to see is essentially three identical games back to back (the proxy was a deviation...that led into 4(5)gate; the first game, the one where Nani's initial push didn't insta-win, demonstrated his ability to fall on his face on demand), it's understandable to be a little disappointed with the show. No spice. No variety. It wasn't even like they were 4gating back and forth so there was some ebb and flow to the match. Nani didn't play well G1 but you can't extrapolate that to mean that he has terrible decision making or crisis management or w/e, he has played lots of impressive macro games
I didn't extrapolate anything. I said that he demonstrated his ability to fall on his face on demand, which is what happened. If you want to infer other qualities about his play from that ability that's your decision.
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I'm sad to see Hasu lose, but Naniwa played good and is the better player, so he deserved the win. GL to Thorzain and Naniwa in the final!
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Well played
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you do what works, if 4 gate works for him in pvp that is fine.
the matchup needs to be fixed anyway as blizzard acknowledged
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Little pissed Haus lost since he's a much less abusive player and haus/thor finals would have been great macro.
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hahaha that is amazing :D
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On May 09 2011 04:58 DexLy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:56 ridonkulous wrote:On May 09 2011 04:54 DexLy wrote:
How can people complain about the entertainment value of these games? didn't we all know it'd be a 4gate fest alrdy? Will always be in PvP until 1.3.3 -.-
do u really u think 1.3.3 will change anything? i mean both players will be affected by slightly later wg ... .. of course I do, because it'll be delayed and u'll have time to get up a robo or w/e in time instead
It should change things yes the counter to 4gate aggression was 2 gate zealot. It crushed it but whether people will appreciate 4gaters being crushed by a 2 gate is another question. I suspect not.
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On May 09 2011 04:58 TheRooster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:42 Jisall wrote:
wow... so exciting...
thorzain > Nani. I hope he thors him.
I hope not nani will 4gate and kill him before the first thor is out....
I hope he does 4-gate him, so he can walk into a 1-0 bio ball and lose
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On May 09 2011 04:58 purpose wrote:
I love how people whine about 4gate in pvp but in BW everybody though zvzs were so amazing even though 100% of the games was just muta micro to win the game. Then it was just OMG Jaedong is just a god at muta micro, how amazing bla bla bla.
Actually people hated zvz for the same reasons they hate pvp now. There were just a few players who somehow held ridiculous win ratios in what people felt was a rock-paper-scissors matchup when it came to build orders.
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