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Fatta
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany148 Posts
May 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#2681
Wow, that was a disappointing series. Don't get me wrong I expected Nani to win, because I think he is better than Hasu atm, but I was expecting something more from this series.
Mia san Mia!
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#2682
On May 09 2011 05:00 anatem wrote:
on the mirrors:

for the guy saying TvT is not worrth watching because noone wants to see positional play. lal that's shooting yourself in the foot, the positional play of high level TvT is the truest testament of skill in this game of any matchup.

and comparing ZvZ, which requires incredible game sense, decision making, timings, positioning, micro, and macro, to PvP, which only requires micro and timing at the highest level, is an insult, even if both matchups are very close to being a coinflip, even if they're not quite there.


ZvZ has some amount conflipping in the openings but it's not nearly as bad as in PvP
ridonkulous
Profile Joined May 2011
159 Posts
May 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#2683
only good thing in pvp is its short
Chrill
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden91 Posts
May 08 2011 20:06 GMT
#2684
Not sure if posted, but Naniwa stomped Thorzain today @ IOL. And he will probably do so again next sunday. Not sure who I root for though, both being swede
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 08 2011 20:07 GMT
#2685
One last time then.

TSL Round of 4 Day 2 Round Up: [image loading](P)Dignitas.NaNiwa vs [image loading](P)mouz.HasuObs
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
Match 4
Match 5
Match 6
Match 7

A repeat of my thoughts on today's games:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 09 2011 04:54 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:50 Defeat wrote:
I love the nerds raging on Naniwa for 4 gating. When a game is for a chance to win 15k you do whatever you need to (in game wise) to win. Naniwa stuck to the basics because he knew he could come out on top. It doesn't matter that the basics for this matchup might be boring to you.

Feels resentment to White-Ra vs MC a month ago.

This is correct. Hasu showed some bad decision making these few games. Game 4 he did not scout for proxies and was punished with a proxy-gate into 4 gate. Every time he tried to wall off, he didn't wall off properly and let Naniwa into his base. Game 5 when it was a 4-gate battle, he chose to tech and not get sentries. This meant Naniwa straight up busted his way into Hasu's base before Hasu's tech could kick in.

If anything, Naniwa exploited Hasu's bad decision making and response to 4-gates and repeatedly punished him for it. It's as simple as that. There's $15k on the line. Naniwa is not going to leave this up to chance. If you know someone always plays Paper, it's not cheese to go Scissors. It's just the correct decision.



And a shameless promotion of my thread on how to LR.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
tetracycloide
Profile Joined July 2010
295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:07:59
May 08 2011 20:07 GMT
#2686
PvP is like country music. I can appreciate the talent that goes into putting it together as someone with enough musical background to know how difficult it is to do the things the musicians do but damn, if I go the rest of my life never hearing another country song I wouldn't really mind.

Really looking forward to Thorizain vs. Naniwa in the finals. It was the final I was hoping would result from today's games.
My vanity is justified
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 20:10:31
May 08 2011 20:10 GMT
#2687
ZvZ is way worse than PvP. Least PvP has insane micro rock-paper-scissors, rather than A move rock-paper-scissors.
MC for president
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
May 08 2011 20:10 GMT
#2688
On May 09 2011 05:04 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:58 DexLy wrote:
On May 09 2011 04:56 ridonkulous wrote:
On May 09 2011 04:54 DexLy wrote:
How can people complain about the entertainment value of these games? didn't we all know it'd be a 4gate fest alrdy? Will always be in PvP until 1.3.3 -.-


do u really u think 1.3.3 will change anything? i mean both players will be affected by slightly later wg ... ..



of course I do, because it'll be delayed and u'll have time to get up a robo or w/e in time instead

It should change things yes the counter to 4gate aggression was 2 gate zealot. It crushed it but whether people will appreciate 4gaters being crushed by a 2 gate is another question. I suspect not.


This is one small step for man, a giant leap for mankind. We will move from 4 gate to 2 gate proxy. God bless late game PvP.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Defeat
Profile Joined March 2010
United States476 Posts
May 08 2011 20:10 GMT
#2689
On May 09 2011 05:07 MoonBear wrote:
One last time then.

TSL Round of 4 Day 2 Round Up: [image loading](P)Dignitas.NaNiwa vs [image loading](P)mouz.HasuObs
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
Match 4
Match 5
Match 6
Match 7

A repeat of my thoughts on today's games:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 09 2011 04:54 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:50 Defeat wrote:
I love the nerds raging on Naniwa for 4 gating. When a game is for a chance to win 15k you do whatever you need to (in game wise) to win. Naniwa stuck to the basics because he knew he could come out on top. It doesn't matter that the basics for this matchup might be boring to you.

Feels resentment to White-Ra vs MC a month ago.

This is correct. Hasu showed some bad decision making these few games. Game 4 he did not scout for proxies and was punished with a proxy-gate into 4 gate. Every time he tried to wall off, he didn't wall off properly and let Naniwa into his base. Game 5 when it was a 4-gate battle, he chose to tech and not get sentries. This meant Naniwa straight up busted his way into Hasu's base before Hasu's tech could kick in.

If anything, Naniwa exploited Hasu's bad decision making and response to 4-gates and repeatedly punished him for it. It's as simple as that. There's $15k on the line. Naniwa is not going to leave this up to chance. If you know someone always plays Paper, it's not cheese to go Scissors. It's just the correct decision.



And a shameless promotion of my thread on how to LR.

Very nice writeup sir :}

I have no idea in the post that you quoted from me I spell checked something to "resentment" >.< I can't even remember the word I was going for. I edited my original post :X
"the metagame has really evolved to the point where the best chance to win the metagame is to game the metagame" -Bags
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
May 08 2011 20:11 GMT
#2690
On May 09 2011 05:07 MoonBear wrote:
One last time then.

TSL Round of 4 Day 2 Round Up: [image loading](P)Dignitas.NaNiwa vs [image loading](P)mouz.HasuObs
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
Match 4
Match 5
Match 6
Match 7

A repeat of my thoughts on today's games:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 09 2011 04:54 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 04:50 Defeat wrote:
I love the nerds raging on Naniwa for 4 gating. When a game is for a chance to win 15k you do whatever you need to (in game wise) to win. Naniwa stuck to the basics because he knew he could come out on top. It doesn't matter that the basics for this matchup might be boring to you.

Feels resentment to White-Ra vs MC a month ago.

This is correct. Hasu showed some bad decision making these few games. Game 4 he did not scout for proxies and was punished with a proxy-gate into 4 gate. Every time he tried to wall off, he didn't wall off properly and let Naniwa into his base. Game 5 when it was a 4-gate battle, he chose to tech and not get sentries. This meant Naniwa straight up busted his way into Hasu's base before Hasu's tech could kick in.

If anything, Naniwa exploited Hasu's bad decision making and response to 4-gates and repeatedly punished him for it. It's as simple as that. There's $15k on the line. Naniwa is not going to leave this up to chance. If you know someone always plays Paper, it's not cheese to go Scissors. It's just the correct decision.



And a shameless promotion of my thread on how to LR.

Good job moonie!
MC for president
Bensio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom621 Posts
May 08 2011 20:13 GMT
#2691
On May 09 2011 05:10 tdt wrote:
ZvZ is way worse than PvP. Least PvP has insane micro rock-paper-scissors, rather than A move rock-paper-scissors.


Then start micro'ing maybe? lol
Mikhail
Profile Joined May 2011
67 Posts
May 08 2011 20:13 GMT
#2692
All those norush people who whined about MC's incredibly clutch proxy gates against White-Ra last month must be frothing in rage right now. GJ Naniwa :D

I hope Thorzain wins next week tho!
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 08 2011 20:13 GMT
#2693
It's funny how this thread got a lot more pages than yesterday's thread even though the games were shorter and less entertaining
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 08 2011 20:14 GMT
#2694
On May 09 2011 05:13 hugman wrote:
It's funny how this thread got a lot more pages than yesterday's thread even though the games were shorter and less entertaining

Yeah kind of a shame, although i enjoyed this series too
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 08 2011 20:15 GMT
#2695
Does Thorzain have much LAN experience?
Licit
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan237 Posts
May 08 2011 20:16 GMT
#2696
On May 09 2011 05:15 Yaotzin wrote:
Does Thorzain have much LAN experience?

Yes he was a WC3 pro.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 08 2011 20:17 GMT
#2697
On May 09 2011 05:16 Licit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 05:15 Yaotzin wrote:
Does Thorzain have much LAN experience?

Yes he was a WC3 pro.

yep, lan experience won't be an issue here... both have enough to not suffer greatly from it
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Lank3r
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3 Posts
May 08 2011 20:19 GMT
#2698
Well the better player won. Hasu had a good run but I myself would feel a little disappointed if the final was ThorZain vs Hasu instead of ThorZain vs NaniWa.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
May 08 2011 20:21 GMT
#2699
I couldn't possibly dream of a better TSL3 final!

This is going to be awesome
We make signature, then defense it.
TheRooster
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden719 Posts
May 08 2011 20:23 GMT
#2700
On May 09 2011 05:15 Yaotzin wrote:
Does Thorzain have much LAN experience?

Thorzain is know to choke in LANs T.T
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