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Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1981
TBH as for the series, it was pretty lackluster. A lot of mistakes from both players, I don't think the entire series was anywhere near comparable to some GSL TvT we've seen. However, game 5 was definitely up there, one of the best TvT I've seen...
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1982
On May 08 2011 05:02 Incoherence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 04:59 udgnim wrote:
guarantee more people are going to watch PvP tomorrow than today's awesome TvT lol

Yeah, it sucks that that's the case, because PvP is yawntastic. Even Naniwa and HasuObs can't save us from the boredom of having to watch two players follow the same tech tree.


I just can't understand this kind of logic. Micro = boring?
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1983
On May 08 2011 05:03 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:01 hugman wrote:
On May 08 2011 04:59 insaneMicro wrote:
ThorZain beat MC ffs.
For me, he's no longer the underdog vs anyone. After this run, I think it's fair to rank him up there with the world's best terrans like MVP, MarineKing or SC2 NaDa.

IMO his strength seems to be preparing for a specific matchups, I wonder how he will do in a tournaments with lots of games in a short period of time

This is what i think too, that he's a player who's incredibly strong if he gets to prepare and that this is the perfect environment for him.


Ye, that's exactly what he seems to be, he's kinda more of a old school player in that regard ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Aikin
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria532 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1984
On May 08 2011 04:59 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Seriously, how does TSL do it? Probably 5 of top 10 SC2 series ever have been on TSL. INSANE!


Well the nice thing about TSL for the players is the long time to prepare. Thorzain proved to be really good in that format. Two weeks ago he said his TvT was really bad but now he has motivation to practice it and he obviously has.

BoX series with a lot of prep time where always prone to produce awesome games.
[A]dmiral Bulldog | Naniwa | [A]lliance
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1985
On May 08 2011 05:01 butch wrote:
it's peculiar he's that good @ preparing for a matchup and then "fails" at a regular tourney like the gathering. Mouz should send him to Korea, he's the ideal GSL player

He lost to his practice partner though
Bacondemon
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 20:05:09
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1986
On May 08 2011 05:03 Thobrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:00 ShooTouts wrote:
On May 08 2011 04:59 insaneMicro wrote:
ThorZain beat MC ffs.
For me, he's no longer the underdog vs anyone. After this run, I think it's fair to rank him up there with the world's best terrans like MVP, MarineKing or SC2 NaDa.


I agree theres no way Thorzain is an underdog even against Naniwa.


The thing that's so difficult to comprehend is that ThorZain doesn't play at nearly the same level without proper preparation. Look for example at his games in The Gathering and the Rakaka tournament http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea


Thorzain off-raced and stuff in the rakaka tournament, I don't think he's interested in going to Korea
ridonkulous
Profile Joined May 2011
159 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1987
On May 08 2011 04:59 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 04:58 Kettchup wrote:
Thorzain already beat MC. He's not the underdog against Naniwa, haha.


Thats arguable, Naniwa is has a beastly PvT


lets not forget he saw games vs mc and knows thorzains style can prepare good anti builds now
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1988
Thorzain is godly but so is Naniwa, it's going to be an awesome final. (sorry hasuobs)
The spice must flow
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#1989
On May 08 2011 05:04 Scribble wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:02 Incoherence wrote:
On May 08 2011 04:59 udgnim wrote:
guarantee more people are going to watch PvP tomorrow than today's awesome TvT lol

Yeah, it sucks that that's the case, because PvP is yawntastic. Even Naniwa and HasuObs can't save us from the boredom of having to watch two players follow the same tech tree.


I just can't understand this kind of logic. Micro = boring?



TvT is way better, Micro is cool, but i want both micro and macro ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2001 Posts
May 07 2011 20:05 GMT
#1990
On May 08 2011 05:03 Haydin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:02 Incoherence wrote:
On May 08 2011 04:59 udgnim wrote:
guarantee more people are going to watch PvP tomorrow than today's awesome TvT lol

Yeah, it sucks that that's the case, because PvP is yawntastic. Even Naniwa and HasuObs can't save us from the boredom of having to watch two players follow the same tech tree.


Someone didn't watch cruncher vs naniwa.


Try Joe vrs MC from Copenhagen too, that was intense.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 07 2011 20:05 GMT
#1991
On May 08 2011 05:02 Kazang wrote:
These european Terrans are off the charts good. Even more impressive than MVP or Bomber imo.

Lol I don't think thorzain or kas could take a game off of either Mvp or Bomber. Yes they do well in the TSL, but I don't think you realize how much better Mvp and Bomber are. The european terrans are most definitely the best in the foreign world, but korean terrans would probably wreck them.
Naniwa fighting!
LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
May 07 2011 20:06 GMT
#1992
thorzain played outstanding and really deserved to win today ^_^ hope kas takes 3rd!
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
May 07 2011 20:06 GMT
#1993
Although ThorZain has had an amazing run in the TSL, he also got knocked out of the Road to Korea tournament pretty quickly, and that tournament wasn't even international. Granted, Sweden's probably the strongest non-Korean country... but still, it certainly casts a bit more doubt on ThorZain's game. Perhaps he's only so strong when he has ample time to prepare for a certain opponent?

On the other hand Naniwa has been exceptionally consistent. Although I might not put ThorZain as an underdog against HasuObs, I'd say Naniwa would have to be the tournament favorite here.
For Aiur???
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2001 Posts
May 07 2011 20:06 GMT
#1994
On May 08 2011 05:05 Guthix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:02 Kazang wrote:
These european Terrans are off the charts good. Even more impressive than MVP or Bomber imo.

Lol I don't think thorzain or kas could take a game off of either Mvp or Bomber. Yes they do well in the TSL, but I don't think you realize how much better Mvp and Bomber are. The european terrans are most definitely the best in the foreign world, but korean terrans would probably wreck them.


MC probably can judge that better than you to be fair.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#1995
Thorzain plays a lot of mind games. It wouldn't surprise me if he took this to the meta-tournament stage, losing games on purpose in certain tournaments that he doesn't care that much about in order to throw his opponents off.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
May 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#1996
On May 08 2011 05:04 Bacondemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:03 Thobrik wrote:
On May 08 2011 05:00 ShooTouts wrote:
On May 08 2011 04:59 insaneMicro wrote:
ThorZain beat MC ffs.
For me, he's no longer the underdog vs anyone. After this run, I think it's fair to rank him up there with the world's best terrans like MVP, MarineKing or SC2 NaDa.


I agree theres no way Thorzain is an underdog even against Naniwa.


The thing that's so difficult to comprehend is that ThorZain doesn't play at nearly the same level without proper preparation. Look for example at his games in The Gathering and the Rakaka tournament http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_Road_to_Korea


Thorzain off-raced and stuff in the rakaka tournament, I don't think he's interested in going to Korea

He off-raced after he was already out
I don't want to make excuses for him but when he played that tournament I think he had only played TvP for like a month straight so not the best environment to play TvT against a new up and coming really good terran
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
May 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#1997
On May 08 2011 05:03 MCDayC wrote:
I just can't believe how good exciting that game was. Just. Ehhhh....
So.
Dam.
Good Exciting.


fixed for you, the game was very entertaining, but it was pretty bad.

for comparison, that was maybe code a first round level, and the rest of the series not even that.
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
May 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#1998
On May 08 2011 05:05 Guthix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 05:02 Kazang wrote:
These european Terrans are off the charts good. Even more impressive than MVP or Bomber imo.

Lol I don't think thorzain or kas could take a game off of either Mvp or Bomber. Yes they do well in the TSL, but I don't think you realize how much better Mvp and Bomber are. The european terrans are most definitely the best in the foreign world, but korean terrans would probably wreck them.

You haven't watched the MC interview? :p
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Akta
Profile Joined February 2011
447 Posts
May 07 2011 20:08 GMT
#1999
Wow crazy game, thought Kas would go to the final for sure.
Seemed like Thorzain kept doing more small mistakes but guess he got the things that matters most right somehow.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 20:08:34
May 07 2011 20:08 GMT
#2000
Well played by Thorzain, looks like TSL3 is going to be won by a Swede Thorzain vs. Naniwa go go go
o choro é livre
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