On May 07 2011 10:11 iba001 wrote: This is turning into a regular occurance, is there a reason that game day threads (GSL and NASL) are getting kinda neglected lately?
dunno
But maybe NASL should have someone who makes these threads everyday like the IPL staff
This lag is getting really unbearable, one second the final engagement was taking place then the other the match was already over.
On May 07 2011 10:11 iba001 wrote: This is turning into a regular occurance, is there a reason that game day threads (GSL and NASL) are getting kinda neglected lately?
dunno
But maybe NASL should have someone who makes these threads everyday like the IPL staff
This lag is getting really unbearable, one second the final engagement was taking place then the other the match was already over.
it's usually just responsiblity of the community as a whole, some regulars should fill in the void. unless bystander effect kicks in
Did Gretorp just call Axslav the worst EG Protoss? So bm!
On May 07 2011 10:11 NightAngel wrote: What's the deal with no thread having been up on time? I'm not aware how these things work, so some explanation would be much appreciated.
How these things work: some guy takes the time and effort to make a thread with the usual format. Explanation: people are thinking "someone else will do it" but no one does.
On May 07 2011 10:14 Kelethius wrote: what are the matchups for the day?
Match 1: EG.Axslav vs mouz.Strelok Match 2: sixjax.dde vs FXOmOOnGLaDe Match 3: ST.Squirtle vs FnaticMSI.KawaiiRice Match 4: ROOT.SLush vs dignitas.NaNiwa Match 5: TLAF-Liquid`Haypro vs oGs.NaDa
Really liked axslav's expantion timings last game, and the fact that he grabbed every piece of tech that he could when he had a window to do so. Strelok makes a million vikings? Axslav can start pumping phoenix. Even loosing his colossi, he had a ton of ground upgrades finishing and had a big gateway army ready to go. Even finishing the game he had both templar buildings going up. Just really, really smooth
On May 07 2011 10:21 ShogunSeppuku wrote: Is anyone else's stream lagging? It's impossible to tell whether it's NASL or me lagging now because of how bad it's been.
On May 07 2011 10:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Results spoilers are for some reason from NASL 4-2 just to let you know
He's aware of that. There was no 'NASL Day 4-3' thread, so he decided just to create a new thread and edit it while the games are going for the community to communicate with one another using this new updated thread.
I'm just gona work on tomorrows and post that if no one else does. won't take me too long and we won't have this for tomorrow. I agree the leagues should make their own sence their not korean.
To the other people having problems: I am unable to stream even on 240p, not sure why, usually I'm fine at 720p. Tested my connection and its fine, seem to be having trouble on other JTV streams as well this evening so I am assuming its them.
As for the games, I'm hoping it'll stablize by the time the later games come up.
On May 07 2011 10:21 ShogunSeppuku wrote: Is anyone else's stream lagging? It's impossible to tell whether it's NASL or me lagging now because of how bad it's been.
Yeah, really bad here.
Yep, it's lagging like crazy for me. NASL's been lag free the last few days, why is it having this issue again? -.-
On May 07 2011 10:25 SnuggleZhenya wrote: To the other people having problems: I am unable to stream even on 240p, not sure why, usually I'm fine at 720p. Tested my connection and its fine, seem to be having trouble on other JTV streams as well this evening so I am assuming its them.
As for the games, I'm hoping it'll stablize by the time the later games come up.
That's what I was thinking. I mean, my internet isn't that great so sometimes I do lag a bit on my end. But for the most part it's usually fine even on 720p that's why I thought it's probably on NASL's part.
I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
Yup, thats why axlav lost.. threw away units after winning the fight.
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
I'm not sure what game Incontrol was watching. He lost a ton of stalkers to those tanks for no reason, if he had just gone around the other side of the natural he would have saved like 8 stalkers.
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
Yup, thats why axlav lost.. threw away units after winning the fight.
On May 07 2011 10:27 Gezuz wrote: Allways a pleasure seeing a 4gate geting ROFLSTOMPED
That wasn't a 4-gate all-in <_<
4gate is pretty much all-in vs terran and zerg thats pretty much a fact
He went Nexus into 4gate, at the end of it he was up 45~ Probes to 23 SCVs. That is a "4gate" in the sense he only had 4gateways, but nothing like the actual 4gate all-in, which would have actually killed Strelock
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
Yup, thats why axlav lost.. threw away units after winning the fight.
Yeh and going for the observer over immortal
Strelok also attacked at the perfect time, just as Axslav was getting an expo up. He also did a great job getting the most out of his hellions and using unsieged tanks really well.
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
The problem was that Axslav was inconsistent. He could either test the ramp, losing units, and stay on 2 base OR back off and take a quick 3rd. Doing both meant he didn't have anywhere near the units needed to hold a counter.
This is basic RTS strategy, taking additional bases when you just lost map control with your army is very risky play.
On May 07 2011 10:29 Sandro wrote: This lag is making NASL unwatchable, it was perfect yesterday.
Heh I was lagging terribly yesterday but it is perfect today, I am pretty sure my problems were related to my ISP though as I had a few drop outs last night aswell.
I quite like how good the production as become since the beginning, but I'm a little bit amazed that they still haven't been able to fix the "sound to the right" thing. Am I the only one who has it?
I wonder if the lag issues are on NASLs end or jtvs. Everything seems to have been working great for them for a while now but today it seems really bad. Hope it gets fixed so we can get to watch some games lag free today at least =\
On May 07 2011 10:28 Gorlin wrote: I disagree with Incontrol there about Axslav "testing the waters" when he tried to push up the ramp. He lost a lot more than 2 stalkers, and he definitely would have been able to hold off the counter push had he not lost all of that.
Yup, thats why axlav lost.. threw away units after winning the fight.
Yeh and going for the observer over immortal
Strelok also attacked at the perfect time, just as Axslav was getting an expo up. He also did a great job getting the most out of his hellions and using unsieged tanks really well.
Just kinda foolishness for Axslav to take a 3rd in that position, it was 20ish scvs to 40ish probes ><;
Guys the lag issues are likely due to JTV, not NASL in particular. Personally I'm having lag issues with every JTV stream I'm trying to view tonight. My internet right now has a strong connection, I'm able to download files/watch videos/etc. at a quick pace so the problem isn't on my end.
If you're having the stop-and-go type lag that lasts for 10-20 seconds at a time before it plays for 2 seconds, then lags again, try looking at other streams. If it continues on other streams and you know you still have a good connection, you can bet its a JTV server somewhere having load problems or other issues. Not everyone is affected, but a significant portion probably are.
I kept waiting for Strelok to double expand, then to see the worker count at 35 after three pushes into Axslav's natural... wow. He could have won this game ten times over, unbelievably weak macro.
Great game? Both playing pretty awful if you ask me. Strelok's marine drop was the only solid move all game. Back and forth sure but the execution was just.. meh.
strelok seems to just move his tanks to retreat every game, even when being chased by stalkers. both g2 and g3 he could score quite a few free kills of he just fought back when he cant run away
You know it's bad if I can't tell whether incontrol actually is there or whether he's recorded as in the double incontrol video. :lol the faces he makes.
On May 07 2011 10:56 arQ wrote: How do u guys feel about gretorp? I'm... not really impressed. Incontrol does a good job tho.
Overall hes alright. He has moments where hes real good and then he has awkward moments too. I think hes made a lot of improvement over the last few weeks and it's not fair to compare him to Incontrol cause incontrol is just so damn good and funny.
On May 07 2011 10:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Strelok is gonna go undefeated in this division. He beat Axslav, Squirtle, Nada, WO Naniwa, I just don't see any of his opponents left beating him
Ya he does look to be the favorite in the rest of the matches, but I could see DDE, Slush or Kawaii taking him down... but I feel strongly that he will get first in the group regardless.
Strelok's interviews are so great. His English is also really good actually; White-ra's interviews are amusing, but Strelok is definitely much more well-spoken in English.
On May 07 2011 10:21 FallDownMarigold wrote: Results spoilers are for some reason from NASL 4-2 just to let you know
He's aware of that. There was no 'NASL Day 4-3' thread, so he decided just to create a new thread and edit it while the games are going for the community to communicate with one another using this new updated thread.
Ah, wasn't aware. I guess it makes sense that it's easier to copy paste and edit than start from scratch all the time.
On May 07 2011 10:56 jmbthirteen wrote: Strelok is gonna go undefeated in this division. He beat Axslav, Squirtle, Nada, WO Naniwa, I just don't see any of his opponents left beating him
Ya he does look to be the favorite in the rest of the matches, but I could see DDE, Slush or Kawaii taking him down... but I feel strongly that he will get first in the group regardless.
strelok is a beast tvt dont see dde or kawairice taking games from him
Moonglade trying to run a queen 30 meters (approximately 4 minute travel time off creep) with two 5 hp marines shooting it (along with 3 healthy ones). Why not take the two free one hit marines?
Moonglade you've not been at your best lately, time to BRING THE PAIN. I still remember how hard you were tearing it up at IEM, let's see that Moonglade again.
Here's the thing about that factory tech lab. If moonglade is someone like Idra or Nestea, he has 3 more mutalisks there, kills the tech lab with siege mode, and the game is very very different. He has that much longer to get out hive tech, everything changes.
i think when dde mismicroed and let banelings connect about 8 min in he got behind, and then losing another 30 food force just made him not be as comfortable as he is used to against zerg
This is not the usual dde vs Z that I'm familiar with. Not saying that moonglade isn't a good player because he is a great zerg, its just I've never seen dde make so many turrets and get so badly picked apart by mutas.
On May 07 2011 11:13 Mailing wrote: Why don't terrans ever make a thor BEFORE a zerg hits 30 mutalisks?
Eh. It's not in vogue right now, most terrans seem to think they can do fine with just marines, stim, and multi tasking to combat mutas. Plus thors = less tanks. I personally still make thors; they punish mistakes and the AA range is so sick, come anywhere NEAR my tank line and boom, orange mutas.
On May 07 2011 11:20 Juvant wrote: No one else bitching about the lag makes me feel so alone ;_; I can barely watch a couple of seconds without it freezing up. Am I alone out here?
Nope.. but I mentioned it once and left it at that. I didn't feel there was a need to spam the thread with it. (I am not saying you are spamming it either.. I'm just saying why I'm not constantly complaining... though I guess saying it once in awhile to hopefully bring it to someone's attention MAY help).
It's really bad for me though.. I'm not sure why I'm still "watching."
On May 07 2011 11:23 sushiman wrote: Could've sniped that spire when there was hardly any BLs, bad decision not to. :<
It didn't matter, Moonglade was on 6 bases against DDE's 4 for the whole game. Could of remade the spire or just went ultras. Ultras actually work when you are so far ahead.
On May 07 2011 11:23 sushiman wrote: Could've sniped that spire when there was hardly any BLs, bad decision not to. :<
It didn't matter, Moonglade was on 6 bases against DDE's 4 for the whole game. Could of remade the spire or just went ultras. Ultras actually work when you are so far ahead.
Yea, once Moonglade was able to get such a great economy going he could've done anything and won, especially since dde did a terrible job of splitting marines and let fungals and banelings do super cost-efficient damage.
On May 07 2011 11:23 sushiman wrote: Could've sniped that spire when there was hardly any BLs, bad decision not to. :<
It didn't matter, Moonglade was on 6 bases against DDE's 4 for the whole game. Could of remade the spire or just went ultras. Ultras actually work when you are so far ahead.
Greater spire takes a long long time to make, and ultras would've been easier to deal with since he wouldn't have to build a ton of vikings. Was probably over by then, but he would've had a better chance of securing 3 without BLs on the field.
On May 07 2011 11:20 Juvant wrote: No one else bitching about the lag makes me feel so alone ;_; I can barely watch a couple of seconds without it freezing up. Am I alone out here?
I just came back after getting frustrated with the lag earlier. It seems to be fine now..
In game related discussion, that was such a shame that MoonGlad didn't get the full wall off. If his queens had been positioned better it would have worked, right?
The NASL is putting out a much better product every week. I believe a lot of this is due to the casters becoming acquainted with one another. There are some things that could be worked on still (such as Incontrol's phone ringing during the show) but the show has gone from barely watchable to highly enjoyable.
The games today have been very good as well. I will definitely begin committing more time to the show (instead of only watching Idra's games.) If the show continues in this manner it may yet challenge GomTV as the top tournament organization in the world.
Ok guys. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think i've finally completed the OP!
Such a lot of work, changing all the flags, and the maps, and the players etc etc... Gives me a lot of respect for people who do it on a semi regular basis.
On May 07 2011 11:34 Alethios wrote: Ok guys. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think i've finally completed the OP!
Such a lot of work, changing all the flags, and the maps, and the players etc etc... Gives me a lot of respect for people who do it on a semi regular basis.
Big thanks for doing it I know it takes a lot of effort and you have done a good job from what i have seen
On May 07 2011 11:34 Alethios wrote: Ok guys. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think i've finally completed the OP!
Such a lot of work, changing all the flags, and the maps, and the players etc etc... Gives me a lot of respect for people who do it on a semi regular basis.
Tell me about it. I had the whole thing done about 10 minutes after you lol. I was disappoint when i saw yours cause mine had to be deleted lol! Just an FYI the last series with nada was cancelled today so you might mention that in the post. They said it would be moved to next week not a walkover just moved to next week.
DDE makes a huge mistake when he unseiges his rear 3 tanks to move forward, but they are trapped against hold positioned marines. Moonglade pushes at that exact moment and steamrolls
dde's tanks got stuck on the marines while trying to move forward via shift queue seige, which delayed the siege which trapped the marines when banelings came
First time I have been really impressed by moonglade, he handled the double drops perfectly and destroyed that center army and knew exactly when to pull back.
Finished the codes for tomarrow will have it up a few hours before the stream.
If anyone knows how to work the map's on BBC code I would very much apreciate it if you'd pm me with an explanation I really have no idea how to do it and I need help with that.
On May 07 2011 11:43 FuzzyJAM wrote: I really need to watch that major battle again.
Moonglade went from 165v200 supply to about 150v110. As Zerg. How?
Its already been addressed.... Siege tank slow push stopped by marines on hold position. Then when the Banelings came rolling in, the tanks blocked the marines. Couldn't have gone any worse for DDE... Couldn't have gone any better for GLaDe
On May 07 2011 11:43 FuzzyJAM wrote: I really need to watch that major battle again.
Moonglade went from 165v200 supply to about 150v110. As Zerg. How?
Its already been addressed.... Siege tank slow push stopped by marines on hold position. Then when the Banelings came rolling in, the tanks blocked the marines. Couldn't have gone any worse for DDE... Couldn't have gone any better for GLaDe
Yeah. . .I guess he didn't have any marines firing at all because of messed up micro or something because it's almost impossible to imagine how you could lose that fight so badly even with poor control. Hard to see on 240p what actually happens.
On May 07 2011 11:51 Chicane wrote: Whoa! You can kill the neutral supply depot?! D:
This just in: The Swiss are not pleased with the terroristic actions on their Shattered Temple depot.. Al Qaeda and the Protoss are listed as prime suspects..
On May 07 2011 11:54 koolaid1990 wrote: kawaii aint that good, he got rocked by spanishiwa.. who got owned by sixjaxterran
Yeah, but Terran got rolled by Minigun, who lost to CombatEX, who lost to Chill in BW, who is shorter than me..thus making me taller and a better player than everyone mentioned so far..right? (P.S. Your logic is horrible)
Huge battle right now in the middle..doesn't look like KR has enough ground army to hold..
On May 07 2011 12:05 ridonkulous wrote: thats protoss folks
Na, I'd say it was the Terran's decision making. He was up by approximately 40 supply, yet instead of retreating + securing another expo while Protoss was on the retreat, he pressed on and leveled the field.
Or did you try to make some little complaint about balance? I dun seen what u did, boi
Why don't terrans ever attack the colossi from behind (it's always from the front or a little to the side).. the only way they can run then to escape is forward, where they get in range of the bio.
Am I the only one thinking those PvT late game fights kinda lack something compared to late game TvT or ZvT? I don't know exactly why, but I have mixed feelings about them.
I hope the TvP match-up evolves either by patches, trends, or maps to a point where a maxed Terran with 3 bases and 3k minerals in the bank considers making t2 or t3 attacking units.
But these guys have been casting TvP so damn well it's hard to not be entertained.
On May 07 2011 12:10 akomatic wrote: I hope the TvP match-up evolves either by patches, trends, or maps to a point where a maxed Terran with 3 bases and 3k minerals in the bank considers making t2 or t3 attacking units.
But these guys have been casting TvP so damn well it's hard to not be entertained.
If they did, Blizzard would just nerf it aka Thor Nerf.
On May 07 2011 12:10 CyanAska wrote: Am I the only one thinking those PvT late game fights kinda lack something compared to late game TvT or ZvT? I don't know exactly why, but I have mixed feelings about them.
Well, Protoss lategame is pretty much deathball vs X.
On May 07 2011 12:10 CyanAska wrote: Am I the only one thinking those PvT late game fights kinda lack something compared to late game TvT or ZvT? I don't know exactly why, but I have mixed feelings about them.
Well, Protoss lategame is pretty much deathball vs X.
Thats a more appropriate candidate for subtle balance whine.
On May 07 2011 12:10 CyanAska wrote: Am I the only one thinking those PvT late game fights kinda lack something compared to late game TvT or ZvT? I don't know exactly why, but I have mixed feelings about them.
Well, Protoss lategame is pretty much deathball vs X.
You say that, but Kawirice came out a head in most battles, the only reason he fell behind was because he kept stimming and trying to chase the Protoss army
On May 07 2011 12:19 VashTS wrote: Looks like he only had 2 Factories. If he had a 3rd with a Reactor for Hellions, that engagement would have been MUCH different.
Still, g.g. WP Squirtle.
Yeah, that's the LzGamer Varient of the build, starts out with 3 facts, 2 reactors 1 tech lab. amazing build imo.
On May 07 2011 12:19 VashTS wrote: Looks like he only had 2 Factories. If he had a 3rd with a Reactor for Hellions, that engagement would have been MUCH different.
Still, g.g. WP Squirtle.
Yeah, that's the LzGamer Varient of the build, starts out with 3 facts, 2 reactors 1 tech lab. amazing build imo.
This is actually only the second time I've seen the ThorZaine build. The first time was ThorZaine vs MC - the VOD that was linked to that topic.
I absolutely love that build. I want to see more high-level play with that build, tbh.
On May 07 2011 12:10 akomatic wrote: I hope the TvP match-up evolves either by patches, trends, or maps to a point where a maxed Terran with 3 bases and 3k minerals in the bank considers making t2 or t3 attacking units.
But these guys have been casting TvP so damn well it's hard to not be entertained.
Fortunately Blizzard is trying their hardest to make this happen, with the upcoming Thor buff.
On May 07 2011 12:19 VashTS wrote: Looks like he only had 2 Factories. If he had a 3rd with a Reactor for Hellions, that engagement would have been MUCH different.
Still, g.g. WP Squirtle.
Yeah, that's the LzGamer Varient of the build, starts out with 3 facts, 2 reactors 1 tech lab. amazing build imo.
This is actually only the second time I've seen the ThorZaine build. The first time was ThorZaine vs MC - the VOD that was linked to that topic.
I absolutely love that build. I want to see more high-level play with that build, tbh.
Yeah I want to see more Mech based play or more Reapers used in the TvP(Qxc vs Genius Style)
Its actually extremely effective have a counter force of reapers whenever the toss moves out XD
On May 07 2011 12:10 CyanAska wrote: Am I the only one thinking those PvT late game fights kinda lack something compared to late game TvT or ZvT? I don't know exactly why, but I have mixed feelings about them.
Well, Protoss lategame is pretty much deathball vs X.
Thats a more appropriate candidate for subtle balance whine.
Ok dont put words in my mouth.
I'm just commenting on protoss MU's from a spectator point of view. PvT PvZ PvP in the later stages of the game is colossus ball in every matchup. Every matchup has almost the same composition and the same overall tactics (retention of the big ball and big "ball" fights). This is what I find lacking from a spectator's pov.
Naniwa doing the most standard build in pvz (3gate ---> nexus ---> robo ---> forge). Good choice since he's coming into this game as the superior player.
Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Bringing the infestors (and leaving them in the back) while taking out the gold rocks seems like a product of SC2 1 control group syndrome. There's really no reason for them to have been there, they could have supported the army just as well at his natural choke.
On May 07 2011 12:36 AlBundy wrote: I heard immortals DESTROY roaches. Bad decision making by Slush.
so go hydra and zergling and get destroyed by templar already out??? Or would u rather him go a combination of everything and die to a combination of everything. This composition is incredibly hard to stop once out unless transitioning to mass muta, which mid to late game is incredibly hard with constant toss pressure
On May 07 2011 12:36 Dommk wrote: Has Slush even put down a creep tumor?
Naniwa is clearly the better player, big upset if he manages to lose this
Got picked off as soon as naniwa got that observer.
This is the future composition of late game zvp btw. Only thing missing were VRs.
no the fact that the zerg goes for the brood lord means he has the flexability to put down extra coruptors and counter the VR's.
its deceptive beacuse once you get to that point where the zerg gets brood lords things shift over to the zerg a bit more if the toss hasn't gotten enough of an advantage in the midgame.
On May 07 2011 12:36 AlBundy wrote: I heard immortals DESTROY roaches. Bad decision making by Slush.
so go hydra and zergling and get destroyed by templar already out??? Or would u rather him go a combination of everything and die to a combination of everything. This composition is incredibly hard to stop once out unless transitioning to mass muta, which mid to late game is incredibly hard with constant toss pressure
And HTs are also relatively good vs. muta anyway... Just divert some gates to stalker production/warp.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Imagine if each of those immortals he neuraled killed 4 stalkers each ... think about how different that initial fight at the gold could have been.
Would it have won the game, no but it might have made nani pull back a bit more, maybe get the broods up and not sniped instantly.
On May 07 2011 12:36 AlBundy wrote: I heard immortals DESTROY roaches. Bad decision making by Slush.
so go hydra and zergling and get destroyed by templar already out??? Or would u rather him go a combination of everything and die to a combination of everything. This composition is incredibly hard to stop once out unless transitioning to mass muta, which mid to late game is incredibly hard with constant toss pressure
Oh come on... stop the useless theory man. I'm no expert but Slush saw from the first push and with his Overseer that Naniwa wasn't making collossus and kept making immortals... But Slush built more roaches, and continued to play passively. There was a huge timing where Naniwa's army was stalker, immortal, sentry. and he didn't have templar nor blink yet.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
Slush should take a good look in the mirror and think about his life. What was he trying to accomplish with that? He'd lose game 3 anyway. Shame on him.
Well played by Nani. I wonder how Slush transitioning into a macro game would have worked out. He probably could have broken even since so many of Nani's probes were chasing the lings.. and he had to cancel the cyber core and the extra pylon. Oh well. GG.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Imagine if each of those immortals he neuraled killed 4 stalkers each ... think about how different that initial fight at the gold could have been.
Would it have won the game, no but it might have made nani pull back a bit more, maybe get the broods up and not sniped instantly.
True, but many times in which I've thought I had an advantage due to a large infestor comp (without other high tech support), I've initially thought "nice this is going well", but once the neurals subside I realize, "oh crap I don't have enough left to mop it up". That's why I was thinking perhaps fungal and retreat would be a better choice than neural. Who knows though.
Interesting nonetheless, I suppose I will try to mimic the fight in tester.
On May 07 2011 12:46 AndAgain wrote: Slush should take a good look in the mirror and think about his life. What was he trying to accomplish with that? He'd lose game 3 anyway. Shame on him.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
It's all about unit control and positioning. if you know that P got High templars, you NEED to keep the infestors in a good position. Also there are a lot of techniques that allow infestors to stay safe.
On May 07 2011 12:47 Sigh wrote: Naniwa soo good. Never thought of cancelling cybo Nada next!!!
Really? =/
Anyway, it was a g.g. imo. I still don't know if I would recommend a 7pool, but I think most people are recommending it because it shows HOW to hold off a 7pool.
On May 07 2011 12:46 AndAgain wrote: Slush should take a good look in the mirror and think about his life. What was he trying to accomplish with that? He'd lose game 3 anyway. Shame on him.
Dude he is up against Naniwa, possibly the best Protoss after MC. Cut him some slack.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
It's all about unit control and positioning. if you know that P got High templars, you NEED to keep the infestors in a good position. Also there are a lot of techniques that allow infestors to stay safe.
Along that line, obviously it wouldn't apply here due to the observer, but he did have burrow - I'd like to see more Zergs actually "idle" their infestors burrowed rather than standing w/ army. Seems like people could take advantage of this trickery at least a little.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Imagine if each of those immortals he neuraled killed 4 stalkers each ... think about how different that initial fight at the gold could have been.
Would it have won the game, no but it might have made nani pull back a bit more, maybe get the broods up and not sniped instantly.
True, but many times in which I've thought I had an advantage due to a large infestor comp (without other high tech support), I've initially thought "nice this is going well", but once the neurals subside I realize, "oh crap I don't have enough left to mop it up". That's why I was thinking perhaps fungal and retreat would be a better choice than neural. Who knows though.
Interesting nonetheless, I suppose I will try to mimic the fight in tester.
I see your point. But for me the worst thing about that isn't the neural parasite per se but the shots of 50 damage wasted on hardened shields to be honest.
On May 07 2011 12:50 space_yes wrote: Holy shit how long were those games? I just went outside to meet someone down the street and now it's the interviews?
Games arent generally long when one of the players fail 7pools
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
On May 07 2011 12:46 AndAgain wrote: Slush should take a good look in the mirror and think about his life. What was he trying to accomplish with that? He'd lose game 3 anyway. Shame on him.
Character code, league, and personal record vs naniwa, or gtfo
OT: NO NADA TONIGHT?? God DAMN IT!!!
(Some good games tonight, though, and good casting.) <3
That was a good interview from Naniwa. He seems to have a good attitude. One thing I would criticize is that he may want to consider actually naming his sponsors to promote them a bit.
On May 07 2011 12:50 space_yes wrote: Holy shit how long were those games? I just went outside to meet someone down the street and now it's the interviews?
first game was a well orcastrated timeing composition with imortals and Ht's
second game was a 7 pool by slush and an epic hold my naniwa.
Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
On May 07 2011 12:52 FallDownMarigold wrote: Awwww no Nada!!!! On the other hand, it's a good thing. I can now study for my finals without Nada distracting me.
really? nada is on in a few hours in gsl semifinals =p
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Haypro let him postpone, it's up to the other player.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
It's all about unit control and positioning. if you know that P got High templars, you NEED to keep the infestors in a good position. Also there are a lot of techniques that allow infestors to stay safe.
Along that line, obviously it wouldn't apply here due to the observer, but he did have burrow - I'd like to see more Zergs actually "idle" their infestors burrowed rather than standing w/ army. Seems like people could take advantage of this trickery at least a little.
You're right, there's burrow micro, also if you have the Ventral Sacs upgrade for Overlord you can hide Infestors into Ovelords then micro them accordingly. Think shuttle / reaver but with different micro.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Chicane wrote: That was a good interview from Naniwa. He seems to have a good attitude. One thing I would criticize is that he may want to consider actually naming his sponsors to promote them a bit.
Thats right. He still has to learn on that part. At least he mentioned team and sponsors, last time he was asked if wants to give shoutouts, he said "no" ^^
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Well, if I recall correctly, he kept going on about how easy his ride to the finals had been. He also said, when asked about future MLGs, "I'll just win that too."
It's a personal preference, but I am a much bigger fan of humbler performers.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Things have obviously changed since then. Also, it's up to the opponent I think. Calm down...
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
That's because it's up to the other player whether to accept a walkover win or to postpone the match to be played at a later date. July chose the free win, Haypro chose to postpone and play later.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
First off Haypro let him... they live in the same house so it's no surprise. Also, WhiteRa wasn't responding to the NASL and had July wait 4 hours. (I am a WhiteRa fanboy btw so I am quite unbiased in this situation).
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
On May 07 2011 12:52 FallDownMarigold wrote: Awwww no Nada!!!! On the other hand, it's a good thing. I can now study for my finals without Nada distracting me.
really? nada is on in a few hours in gsl semifinals =p
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
Perhaps I misinterpreted it then. His history of BM probably affects my opinion of him too.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
It's all about unit control and positioning. if you know that P got High templars, you NEED to keep the infestors in a good position. Also there are a lot of techniques that allow infestors to stay safe.
Along that line, obviously it wouldn't apply here due to the observer, but he did have burrow - I'd like to see more Zergs actually "idle" their infestors burrowed rather than standing w/ army. Seems like people could take advantage of this trickery at least a little.
You're right, there's burrow micro, also if you have the Ventral Sacs upgrade for Overlord you can hide Infestors into Ovelords then micro them accordingly. Think shuttle / reaver but with different micro.
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I would LOVE to see this type of play in SC2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to this point infestor use seems to be dominated by their inclusion among the "standing army". Too many times I've cringed watching them do their spells, then die intertwined and milling about with the ground hulk. Don't get me wrong - I know this type of control is very hard and multi-tasking intensive, but hey, I'm in total agreement with ya
Only watched the second half of the cast today, but there were some good games, definitely worth watching.
One criticism on the casting though: They both tend to go off on random tangents and it takes awhile for them to get back to the actual game. A few short jokes/comments can be good in boring parts, but it kind of threw off the flow of some of the Kawaii/Squirtle games.
On May 07 2011 12:53 sang wrote: very classy move by NASL and haypro allowing NaDa to focus his efforts on GSL. Well played.
Not classy at all, considering that they didn't give the same courtesy to White-Ra and Naniwa. And I know, "it's up to the opponent", blablabla, but in essence it's really up to NASL since they make the rules (and enforce them).
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
Yea it is true that they said they simply could not reschedule games as they did not have enough time, but there was never a situation where a player decided not to take a walkover so....
I assume if any of those players said they wouldnt take a walk over those games would be reschuduled as well.
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
And it is "a pattern of group behaviour towards individuals within Scandinavian communities, which negatively portrays and criticizes individual success and achievement as unworthy and inappropriate", to quote Wikipedia.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
On May 07 2011 12:53 sang wrote: very classy move by NASL and haypro allowing NaDa to focus his efforts on GSL. Well played.
Not classy at all, considering that they didn't give the same courtesy to White-Ra and Naniwa. And I know, "it's up to the opponent", blablabla, but in essence it's really up to NASL since they make the rules (and enforce them).
It's up to their opponent to either take the Walkover or reschedule. Everyone so far as decided to take the walkover. Haypro decided to reschedule probably because he's a super manner boss and Team Liquid and oGs share a team house.
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
It's called the "jante law", but honestly it's more about that you shouldn't act like you're mightier than anyone else towards your fellow swedes. Scandinavians love to talk about their accomplishments with foreigners. Just look at any thread that discuss nationality of players, amount of players in that league, etc.
On May 07 2011 12:47 Sigh wrote: Naniwa soo good. Never thought of cancelling cybo Nada next!!!
Really? =/
Anyway, it was a g.g. imo. I still don't know if I would recommend a 7pool, but I think most people are recommending it because it shows HOW to hold off a 7pool.
Can someone please tell me how he held the 7 pool off? Were the lings in his base b4 he scouted the pool? Reaction?
- I really enjoy being able to watch without perpetual lag. I'm new to watching SC2 (relatively - got hooked), and I was a little put off in the beginning. Good job guys for listening to your viewers.
- In the same vein, I like the fact that Gretorp is much less nervous and tongue-tied, if you will. He's found his niche in casting, or so it seems, and now I actually enjoy listening to his banter quite a bit.
- Incontrol... At first he seemed like a bit of a tool to me. Admittedly, it was me being the tool for judging the book by its intro. The more I've listened to Incontrol, the more I realize he's actually very funny. I crack up all the time at his little intentionally funny comments... Please, if you are reading this, keep making those little in-character comments for units. I think it's hilarious when you personify the units and say things like "See ya guys, goodluck in the base we're outta here!" (medevacs ditching marauders in Squirtle's base)
On May 07 2011 12:56 Samhax wrote: I have one question, does the feedback stop neural parasite?
no its not a drain its a spell so once cast its either kill the infestor or wait
Ok, so feedback is not the answer to mindcontrol. So if Slush controlled better his infestor, he could have won the battle.
Feedback removes energy and hurts the unit for the amount lost
Think old western movie at high noon infestor on one side high templar on the other whoever shoots first wins. it wasn't slush's control that was an issue it was naniwa's excellent observer use and picking off most of the infestors with feedback before neural parasite was even an issue.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
Yep. Very nicely handled by all. Props to Haypro. This is the best outcome for everybody, especially us the spectators.
On May 07 2011 12:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: Armchair SC2 pros (I mean that in a positive way!):
Had all those infestors survived the templar sniping (say, had they been back at the natural), would they have been able to convincingly turn the tide? Would mass fungaling be good in that scenario, or is it best to just neural a bunch of optimal targets?
Protoss army in mid, fungal, run back. Fungal, run back keep doing it til they die. You have 6 infestors u can kill any ground army. It's the feedback that shuts down that play.
It's all about unit control and positioning. if you know that P got High templars, you NEED to keep the infestors in a good position. Also there are a lot of techniques that allow infestors to stay safe.
Along that line, obviously it wouldn't apply here due to the observer, but he did have burrow - I'd like to see more Zergs actually "idle" their infestors burrowed rather than standing w/ army. Seems like people could take advantage of this trickery at least a little.
You're right, there's burrow micro, also if you have the Ventral Sacs upgrade for Overlord you can hide Infestors into Ovelords then micro them accordingly. Think shuttle / reaver but with different micro.
I would LOVE to see this type of play in SC2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to this point infestor use seems to be dominated by their inclusion among the "standing army". Too many times I've cringed watching them do their spells, then die intertwined and milling about with the ground hulk. Don't get me wrong - I know this type of control is very hard and multi-tasking intensive, but hey, I'm in total agreement with ya
Yeah that's really painful to watch... Even some Code S Zergs sometimes fail to properly control the Infestors
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
Did you even do what I told you to? Nasl explained the situation quite perfectly.. so please calm down
On May 07 2011 12:56 Samhax wrote: I have one question, does the feedback stop neural parasite?
no its not a drain its a spell so once cast its either kill the infestor or wait
Ok, so feedback is not the answer to mindcontrol. So if Slush controlled better his infestor, he could have won the battle.
Feedback removes energy and hurts the unit for the amount lost
Think old western movie at high noon infestor on one side high templar on the other whoever shoots first wins. it wasn't slush's control that was an issue it was naniwa's excellent observer use and picking off most of the infestors with feedback before neural parasite was even an issue.
Yeah i miss what i wanted to say, it was his lack of map control, he could have seen this templar coming. So it was his fault anyway.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
Haypro was offered the walkover win, and didn't take it... What is your problem with that? You'd prefer it if he had in order to make it more 'fair'?
On May 07 2011 12:47 Sigh wrote: Naniwa soo good. Never thought of cancelling cybo Nada next!!!
Really? =/
Anyway, it was a g.g. imo. I still don't know if I would recommend a 7pool, but I think most people are recommending it because it shows HOW to hold off a 7pool.
Can someone please tell me how he held the 7 pool off? Were the lings in his base b4 he scouted the pool? Reaction?
Please
He did not even scout the pool. The probe did not even reach slush's base. The lings were up in naniwa's ramp before the first zealot were even started.
Naniwa cancelled core. Pulled probes ( around 10?) and put down a 2nd pylon. After that its basically worker/zealot micro vs lings.
He cancelled his 2nd pylon once he was able to save his first pylon to get another zealot out because his workers were not mining. Lost probably 2 or 3 probes.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
Why do you not understand that Haypro was probably offered the walkover and declined it. The others chose to take the walkover and the free win. It really is not hard to understand.
On May 07 2011 12:47 Sigh wrote: Naniwa soo good. Never thought of cancelling cybo Nada next!!!
Really? =/
Anyway, it was a g.g. imo. I still don't know if I would recommend a 7pool, but I think most people are recommending it because it shows HOW to hold off a 7pool.
Can someone please tell me how he held the 7 pool off? Were the lings in his base b4 he scouted the pool? Reaction?
Please
Yes, there were 6 lings and a drone in his base before he even had a change to scout the Zerg base. He started a Zealot as the lings were coming up the ramp, and chrono boosted it. He then pulled probes (a lot, like 10+) and cancelled the cyber, making a 2nd pylon, and attacked with his probes (he got a nice concave) and in the middle of the battle, the Zealot popped out and turned the tide. He then went back with all his probes, leaving the Zealot to clean up. But more lings showed up so he backed with his Zealot (now in the yellow) and send back 7-8 probes and did some epic micro with probes + Zealot, and then 2nd Zealot popped out, so he cancelled his 2nd pylon and remade the Cyber, completing the wall-off with a Zealot, and GG.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
On May 07 2011 12:56 Samhax wrote: I have one question, does the feedback stop neural parasite?
no its not a drain its a spell so once cast its either kill the infestor or wait
Ok, so feedback is not the answer to mindcontrol. So if Slush controlled better his infestor, he could have won the battle.
Feedback removes energy and hurts the unit for the amount lost
Think old western movie at high noon infestor on one side high templar on the other whoever shoots first wins. it wasn't slush's control that was an issue it was naniwa's excellent observer use and picking off most of the infestors with feedback before neural parasite was even an issue.
Yeah i miss what i wanted to say, it was his lack of map control, he could have seen this templar coming. So it was his fault anyway.
How epic would this have been:
Slush spots the observer, gets suspicious, watches his infestors. Slush spots the HTs incoming, and NAILS all the HTs with neurals. Then, in the next split second STORMS all the toss units just a few clicks away. Now that would be cool.
Neural range = 9 if i'm not mistaken
Anyone know feedback range? This scenario obviously isn't as easy as I make it sound if feedback turns out to be longer ranged than neural :/
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
WhiteRa didn't get walked over because he was at a tournament, he got walked over because he didn't respond to numerous phone calls and emails despite being capable of playing the game at an internet cafe.
On May 07 2011 12:47 Sigh wrote: Naniwa soo good. Never thought of cancelling cybo Nada next!!!
Really? =/
Anyway, it was a g.g. imo. I still don't know if I would recommend a 7pool, but I think most people are recommending it because it shows HOW to hold off a 7pool.
Can someone please tell me how he held the 7 pool off? Were the lings in his base b4 he scouted the pool? Reaction?
Please
He did not even scout the pool. The probe did not even reach slush's base. The lings were up in naniwa's ramp before the first zealot were even started.
Naniwa cancelled core. Pulled probes ( around 10?) and put down a 2nd pylon. After that its basically worker/zealot micro vs lings.
He cancelled his 2nd pylon once he was able to save his first pylon to get another zealot out because his workers were not mining. Lost probably 2 or 3 probes.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
it has been explained several times to you by several people. whats there not to get ? haypro didnt tok the walkover July did if you want to be angry with someone it should be july not NASL
now please stop before you emberass yourself even further
P.S. guys stop conflating things with incorrect scenarios.
here's the scoop, so listen up!
-WhiteRa was given PLENTY of warning from NASL. He was given a 4 hour grace period in which he could have contacted them and made arrangements. Who knows, had he taken the initiative and gotten in touch with NASL, perhaps they'd grant the same leniency to him. However, WhiteRa was a true no-show. There was no communication until it was too late. NaDa on the other hand was in close communication well ahead of time.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not taking anything away from WhiteRa's character. I am 100% sure he had his reasons, personal or otherwise, for not getting into touch in time. That stuff happens to everyone.
All i want to make clear is the fact that the two scenarios are incomparable, so judging NASL based upon their discrepancies is illogical.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
Maybe if White-Ra would have actually communicated with NASL they would have worked something out. But he didn't respond.
We are going to be changing our format slightly to improve viewer experience and player scheduling conflicts.
The broadcast schedule will be moved forward by one day and matches will now air Wednesday through Sunday at their regular times.
This change will occur this week so there will be no broadcast on Friday. Friday's matches will air on Saturday. From there on out we will continue with our adapted schedule.
We want to apologize for the delay in our broadcast this Tuesday and the absence of the anticipated match-up between JulyZerg and White-Ra.
There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait.
Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us.
While this was going on we saw that Naniwa was laddering. We were taken aback and went to Mouz's manager to ask if he wanted to take a win.
Immediately after the problem we called Dignitas' manager Odee to discuss and he stands by our decision to award the game to Strelok. However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa; he will remain at 0-0 and will not be fined.
Previously we had allowed players to delay their match on a given day if they gave us advance warning. From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. As always, emergencies or illness will allow rescheduling.
This delay will allow us to be more flexible to LAN events as they occur and to make sure that we can air every single match that should be played.
Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline.
By adding a two-day lead time from shoot to show, we think we can make sure that every game where the players arrive on time will be played.
We are also no longer going to put the burden of choosing to take the win on to the players. We had been asking them as we thought that they would prefer that, but based on feedback we see that there is too much pressure for them to not take the win.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
it has been explained several times to you by several people. whats there not to get ? haypro didnt tok the walkover July did if you want to be angry with someone it should be july not NASL
now please stop before you emberass yourself even further
What ever reason you people got it simply doesnt justify that the rules isnt the same to all players..And thats all I got to say.
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
No one is taught not to make a big deal of their accomplishments in Sweden.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
Yea im so scared of you amasing writing abilities, grow up child.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
it has been explained several times to you by several people. whats there not to get ? haypro didnt tok the walkover July did if you want to be angry with someone it should be july not NASL
now please stop before you emberass yourself even further
What ever reason you people got it simply doesnt justify that the rules isnt the same to all players..And thats all I got to say.
my god the rules are exactly the same to evryone. how havent you understood that yet ?
im either getting trolled or youre just very ignorant
P.S. werent you supposed to be done with me by now ?
Nerdslayer obviously/completely disregarded what I and others have pointed out, and is solely still here to continue his ad-homs with you, Gezuz. I would simply stop replying, knowing that you are indeed right regarding the situation here.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
Yea im so scared of you amasing writing abilities, grow up child.
:O :O not trying to be scary. but i guess the truth is scary to you
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
Yea im so scared of you amasing writing abilities, grow up child.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
it has been explained several times to you by several people. whats there not to get ? haypro didnt tok the walkover July did if you want to be angry with someone it should be july not NASL
now please stop before you emberass yourself even further
What ever reason you people got it simply doesnt justify that the rules isnt the same to all players..And thats all I got to say.
All players can choose to take walkovers over their opponents if their opponent cannot play the game. How is that any different now?
Just stop while you are behind. You are being a huge ass to Gezuz who was calmly describing the situation multiple times for you.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
Yea im so scared of you amasing writing abilities, grow up child.
On May 07 2011 12:53 sang wrote: very classy move by NASL and haypro allowing NaDa to focus his efforts on GSL. Well played.
Not classy at all, considering that they didn't give the same courtesy to White-Ra and Naniwa. And I know, "it's up to the opponent", blablabla, but in essence it's really up to NASL since they make the rules (and enforce them).
It's up to their opponent to either take the Walkover or reschedule. Everyone so far as decided to take the walkover. Haypro decided to reschedule probably because he's a super manner boss and Team Liquid and oGs share a team house.
If you show up late for work without reason, you'll get slapped in the face by your boss. If you tell him you can't come in advance, it tends to be fine.
The Nada situation was handled with commons sense in every way. Even if the rules had opposed the current outcome, it still would have been the right thing to do.
We are going to be changing our format slightly to improve viewer experience and player scheduling conflicts.
The broadcast schedule will be moved forward by one day and matches will now air Wednesday through Sunday at their regular times.
This change will occur this week so there will be no broadcast on Friday. Friday's matches will air on Saturday. From there on out we will continue with our adapted schedule.
We want to apologize for the delay in our broadcast this Tuesday and the absence of the anticipated match-up between JulyZerg and White-Ra.
There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait.
Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us.
While this was going on we saw that Naniwa was laddering. We were taken aback and went to Mouz's manager to ask if he wanted to take a win.
Immediately after the problem we called Dignitas' manager Odee to discuss and he stands by our decision to award the game to Strelok. However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa; he will remain at 0-0 and will not be fined.
Previously we had allowed players to delay their match on a given day if they gave us advance warning. From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. As always, emergencies or illness will allow rescheduling.
This delay will allow us to be more flexible to LAN events as they occur and to make sure that we can air every single match that should be played.
Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline.
By adding a two-day lead time from shoot to show, we think we can make sure that every game where the players arrive on time will be played.
We are also no longer going to put the burden of choosing to take the win on to the players. We had been asking them as we thought that they would prefer that, but based on feedback we see that there is too much pressure for them to not take the win.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
GSL is working with the NASL, dreamhack wasnt willing to accomodate whitera to play his matches so i assume there was a bit ot tention here, also this was to be expected if any of the NASL players made it far in the GSL so they probably already had plans for this. Plus haypro and Nada or basically on the same team i doubt haypro would do that to him.
So let me get this straight if Nada gets knocked out of the GSL today, we will see him play 2 games next week, if hes in the finals no games, and we will see him play 3 games the following week?
I dont care if NASL works with the United Nation or Save The Whale Foundation. Its simply not fair for those players that got penalty becuase NASL didnt work with Dreamhack. Its complet absurd that 1 player get a postphone and another player get -2 penalty.
if you read a few posts above i explained the situation to you and youre still spiting nonsense rage cmon dude
And you a still a rude troll. You havent explained anything except insulting me. but yea keep it up nubcake
it has been explained several times to you by several people. whats there not to get ? haypro didnt tok the walkover July did if you want to be angry with someone it should be july not NASL
now please stop before you emberass yourself even further
What ever reason you people got it simply doesnt justify that the rules isnt the same to all players..And thats all I got to say.
All players can choose to take walkovers over their opponents if their opponent cannot play the game. How is that any different now?
Just stop while you are behind. You are being a huge ass to Gezuz who was calmly describing the situation multiple times for you.
Guys, please update the information on which your opinions are built. I just posted the most recent NASL rules and reshedule update on page 36 and you are continuing to contradict its content for the sake of barking at each other.
Here it is again.
On April 14 2011 NASL wrote: Broadcast Reshedule
We are going to be changing our format slightly to improve viewer experience and player scheduling conflicts.
The broadcast schedule will be moved forward by one day and matches will now air Wednesday through Sunday at their regular times.
This change will occur this week so there will be no broadcast on Friday. Friday's matches will air on Saturday. From there on out we will continue with our adapted schedule.
We want to apologize for the delay in our broadcast this Tuesday and the absence of the anticipated match-up between JulyZerg and White-Ra.
There was also an issue while trying to film the first game of the day, Strelok-Naniwa. At first Naniwa asked if we could reschedule for a different day. Naniwa then asked for time to rest before the match as he had been traveling. Meanwhile we asked Strelok and his manager if that was OK, Strelok agreed to wait.
Naniwa had not logged in to the player channel and did not see this message. Later it became clear that he did not receive this message from us.
While this was going on we saw that Naniwa was laddering. We were taken aback and went to Mouz's manager to ask if he wanted to take a win.
Immediately after the problem we called Dignitas' manager Odee to discuss and he stands by our decision to award the game to Strelok. However, we could have communicated better and will not be penalizing Naniwa; he will remain at 0-0 and will not be fined.
Previously we had allowed players to delay their match on a given day if they gave us advance warning. From now on we will continue to film according to our regular schedule but we will allow players to postpone their match by one day if they need to reschedule because of major LAN events. As always, emergencies or illness will allow rescheduling.
This delay will allow us to be more flexible to LAN events as they occur and to make sure that we can air every single match that should be played.
Also to be noted, waiting on players to arrive is heavily affecting our schedule. Many times we have been forced to break our schedule and film games out of series. This increases our edit time immensely in addition to throwing the casters off. When compounded with our tight encode schedule it can have major effects on our stream timeline.
By adding a two-day lead time from shoot to show, we think we can make sure that every game where the players arrive on time will be played.
We are also no longer going to put the burden of choosing to take the win on to the players. We had been asking them as we thought that they would prefer that, but based on feedback we see that there is too much pressure for them to not take the win.
Why is Naniwa 3-1? I remember them saying that he would not be given a loss, while Strelok would still get the win. Did they change their minds about this?
Or is it that he does not lose any points for that? Since he is 3-1 while having 6 points.
On May 07 2011 13:26 holynorth wrote: Why is Naniwa 3-1? I remember them saying that he would not be given a loss, while Strelok would still get the win. Did they change their minds about this?
Or is it that he does not lose any points for that? Since he is 3-1 while having 6 points.
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They are pre-recorded.
So why couldnt nada play his game against haypro? Technically there wouldnt be a time conflict then.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They aren't live, and players could theoretically maphack, so the honor system is the only thing stopping them from really cheating. NASL isn't live, but the Nada game was still postponed because it would've been played yesterday or the day before -- both times when Nada would be practicing for GSL.
GSL > NASL, and Nada is in the semifinals now. You can bet your ass he wouldn't even bother preparing for NASL (and that's assuming he would've shown up in the first place).
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They are pre-recorded.
So why couldnt nada play his game against haypro? Technically there wouldnt be a time conflict then.
Its not that there was a time conflict, its that he is preparing for the GSL.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They are pre-recorded.
So why couldnt nada play his game against haypro? Technically there wouldnt be a time conflict then.
Maybe these matches were recorded 4 days ago when he was playing his quarterfinal match, who knows.
Edit: I just realized that it's a strong possibility Nada talked with Haypro about postponing their match since they are kind of on the same team.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They aren't live, and players could theoretically maphack, so the honor system is the only thing stopping them from really cheating. NASL isn't live, but the Nada game was still postponed because it would've been played yesterday or the day before -- both times when Nada would be practicing for GSL.
GSL > NASL, and Nada is in the semifinals now. You can bet your ass he wouldn't even bother preparing for NASL (and that's assuming he would've shown up in the first place).
I dont know if I agree with that. Maphack? Nah, to much at stake, blizzard can track it. And they would lose all their sponsorships etc if there was controversy raised. Not even an option in my opinion.
Also, what your saying sounds like speculation. Gretorp and Incontrol didnt say he needed the time to practice, but said specifically that there was a time schedule conflict with the GSL.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
No, they are not live. (I am not sure if they are played M-F or Tues-Sat).
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
The Koreans need to wake up at 4am or so, and he may not have wanted to throw off his sleep schedule or preparation time. There wasn't a direct time conflict, but Haypro and the NASL were presumably both okay with postponing it in order to have a better match.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They are pre-recorded.
So why couldnt nada play his game against haypro? Technically there wouldnt be a time conflict then.
Its not that there was a time conflict, its that he is preparing for the GSL.
On May 07 2011 13:35 WizShaw wrote: I asked this before....
Are the NASL games LIVE? Because whats to stop players from cheating?
And I ask it again, because at the end of tonights stream, the Nada game was postponed, because he was set to play in the GSL. Which is set to commence in 86 minutes.
Now if these were pre recorded, this wouldnt have happened, meaning that the games were in fact live.
Whats stopping these players from watching the live stream on another computer?
Or am I missing something here?
They aren't live, and players could theoretically maphack, so the honor system is the only thing stopping them from really cheating. NASL isn't live, but the Nada game was still postponed because it would've been played yesterday or the day before -- both times when Nada would be practicing for GSL.
GSL > NASL, and Nada is in the semifinals now. You can bet your ass he wouldn't even bother preparing for NASL (and that's assuming he would've shown up in the first place).
I dont know if I agree with that. Maphack? Nah, to much at stake, blizzard can track it. And they would lose all their sponsorships etc if there was controversy raised. Not even an option in my opinion.
Perhaps, but players can still "theoretically" maphack.
We set aside two events, GSL and MLG that we would fit our schedule around. The fact that Nada advanced to the Semi Finals of the GSL is significant / important enough for us to grant him an exception.
On May 07 2011 12:52 Nerdslayer wrote: Ok thats bullshit NASL. White-ra got 2-0 vs july becuase he played the dreamhack final but now that Nada playing the GSL semifinal you cna postphone that wtf is this shit??
Might want to read up on the facts before posting something like this..
ohh, Really how is this fair?? You cant just change the rules in the middle of the tournament. Lets say White-Ra doesnt make it to the play-off by 1 point then what??
Yea this is fair lets just change the rules in the middle of the tournament and screw the guys who got penalty before the change.
I dont understand how you can justify that
afaik NASL offers walkover to the opponent if 1 guy doesnt show up so July took the walkover against white RA and Haypro didnt as theyre sort of in the same team.
Your anger is quite amusing thou
You quite a cute troll. Im not angry but i do speak my mind when somehting is completly absurd and if you cant see why this is unfair against some players then you complet deluded
troll ? really ? are yu that slowminded that you dont understand the situation ? July TOOK the walkover as in he didnt give a shit about White RA excuses.
Haypro rescheduled as hes teammate of Nada in a sense and NAda played GSL or had to prepare for it at the time.
Now call yourself down as your posts are just geting more and more pathetic.
More insults plz, Im allways fun of internet warriors insulting others that says something that doesnt fit into his little world.
Anyway im done with you.
those arent insults those are just very true remarks of your behaviour. I guess you realised the situation now and you backed down good for you mejt
Yea im so scared of you amasing writing abilities, grow up child.
User was warned for this post
How does his aggressive behavior only warent a warning ? Gezuz was very polite and Nerdslayer down right shit talks him every post. Wow.
Anyways. Great to see Strelok doing will Silent Terran assassin!
On May 07 2011 17:25 Xeris wrote: We set aside two events, GSL and MLG that we would fit our schedule around. The fact that Nada advanced to the Semi Finals of the GSL is significant / important enough for us to grant him an exception.
This should be put in the OP really. Theres really nothing more to explain than that.
On May 07 2011 12:49 Juvant wrote: Nani is much humbler in this interview than he was at MLG. Makes my dislike of him dissipate a bit.
Was he arrogant at MLG? I think the "ehh it was ok" was a product of being interviewed live after such a long day in a foreign country in a language you are not familiar with.
Pretty sure it was not like " that was easy i expected it" but more like " i don't know what to say"
Also to kind of expand on your point, his attitude at MLG in the interview i believe was linked to a tradition in his native land. Its taught for them to never make a big deal of their accomplishments. Wish i could remember the name of it but sadly i can't.
Couldn't find info on when Nada will play his matches, does anyone know anything yet? Also sick first series and love the Strelok interview after it was kinda funny he made it sound like Axslav was just bad which I don't agree with but still glad he took that series.
i don't know where to post suggestions for the NASL, but if they read this, i have a couple small suggestions for incontrol and gretorp. Incontrol--tedious is not the word you're looking for...tenuous is the word. gretorp, use the word "epic" less. not every series is epic, and certainly not every game. reserve the word for when it's warranted (e.g. thorzain vs mc game 4 in the TSL). that said, i really like you guy's commentary. keep up the good work!
Strelok and NaNiwa are both on their way to clutching the automatic spots for Division 3, but that's not big story here.
What everyone will be wondering about soon is just how many players in this division will be out of the League next season. With the new data from this week, the Prospectus has revised downward this division's fortunes even further, adding dde to the relegate list, as well as putting KawaiiRice on watch.
Will Division 3 end up losing half its members next season? We'll find out in June.
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