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On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote: I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Didn't MVP beat him in the GSTL WC? I would say its more to hide his true strategy
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Groups A, B, and F seem fairly balanced to the relative skill we've seen from those players with some minor favorites. Obviously 3rd place code S group finishers and the code A ro8+ players have an advantage over the 4th place code S RO32 guy who only gets one chance. Groups C,D, G, and H all have huge favorites that get two chances to advance to or stay in code S in MVP, MC, Bomber, and aLive.
Group E is the real heartbreaker, as I want to watch games from all three of those players. MKP and MMA are favorites not only for their place in the group, but I think because of the recent results. I still want HuK to advance and barely want MMA over MKP because I fell in love with MMA during GSTL's.
And since upsets are common lately, I really want MC, MVP, and Bomber not to get upset by someone like Polt. Granted that was MC's fault, but Polt just doesn't seem likely to show good games any time soon...although he has improved.
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Wow... after this seasons Up & Down matches there will probably be no "weak" players (Check, Hongun, TheWind, Kyrix) in Code S.
It's going to be extremely difficult for new people to get into Code S after this.
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On May 07 2011 08:07 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote: HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment. That's no group of death, huk will lose easily. Group of death is clearly group D. Hongun is going to visit Code A apparently, MC is too good at PvP When I say group of death I mean that for him to leave the group is going to be a miracle
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to bad huk have killergroup sry but gl in code A huk you will EASY make it back to code S but this 2 players i feel are just to strong in pvt so bad luck
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On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote: I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
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Ouch super tough group for anyone for huk.
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MvP guys have rather easy groups (San, Tester, Kyrix and TheWinD? Well, probably the easiest 4 people someone could get for himself).
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Russian Federation823 Posts
This would be good for Huk if he gets out - which i doubt. It would be a huge confidence boost.
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On May 07 2011 19:22 kusto wrote: This would be good for Huk if he gets out - which i doubt. It would be a huge confidence boost.
Yeah i agree massive boost for Huk if he were to get out of his group, either taking out a very well established and accomplished code S player or an up and coming code A player who has clearly demonstrated a considerably amount of skill.
I am really worried about huk, i suppose there is always code A but still id like to see him performing in code S, beating some legends and maybe even make a run for the finals =P.
Good luck huk, prove us wrong! Upsets are pretty much the lifeblood of GSL these days
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On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote: I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player. He's not a macro orientated player, but neither is Huk really. MKP does have some of the best macro in code S when he does play macro games, in a long game he would almost certainly out-macro Huk. His only big weakness is he sometimes makes bad decisions with his composition, particularly when he stays with MMM for way too long, which isn't such a big problem against Toss because if you mix in some ghosts and vikings you have a very strong late-game composition.
I feel bad for Huk, I want him to go through, but MMA and MKP are 2 of my favourite players to watch and they are both 2 of the top Terrans in the world at the moment. That combined with the fact that he only has 1 chance to stay in Code S means its not looking at all likely that he'll stay in. I think Jinro will stay in though, he's probably the strongest player in his group.
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France12886 Posts
On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote: I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player. Have you seen MKP matches? He has a very strong macro when he plays macro games, he loses more because of his "name" (MKP vs NaDa in groupstages lol... stick with a lot of marines / medic then MMM despite being ahead) than because of his "macro".
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On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote: I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
No, it's not. What a dumb comment rofl.
MarineKing doesn't all-in every game(most aren't), do you even know what the term means?
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Rain should thank his lucky stars he got put in rainbows group.
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Poor huk! Getting grouped with 2 absolute ballers! I don't rule him out though, Mkp Seems a bit shaky from time to time.
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The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks. Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
The whole GSL system is just atrocious to be honest. Just have code A finalists automatically place code S and have less up and down groups or something.
Either way Huk is most likely out, sad for him and liquid but I don't think he is even close to code S material. I don't foresee alot of succes for jinro either, he'll have a good chance to stay code S but the strength of the upcoming code S seems to high for him imo.
Honestly I think liquid is better off doing like Idra and just focussing on NA/EU tournaments. Much more chance to make good money. GSL is just having awful payouts for how hard it is, any foreigner getting to the finals is just not going to happen and not getting there has low payoffs.
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Not the best draws for me Although the groups seem to be pretty exciting there are some with 3 people who probably should go to code A while some should stay in code S altogether.
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Australia18228 Posts
On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote: The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks. Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
The whole GSL system is just atrocious to be honest. Just have code A finalists automatically place code S and have less up and down groups or something.
Either way Huk is most likely out, sad for him and liquid but I don't think he is even close to code S material. I don't foresee alot of succes for jinro either, he'll have a good chance to stay code S but the strength of the upcoming code S seems to high for him imo.
Honestly I think liquid is better off doing like Idra and just focussing on NA/EU tournaments. Much more chance to make good money. GSL is just having awful payouts for how hard it is, any foreigner getting to the finals is just not going to happen and not getting there has low payoffs.
The format works, but players aren't consistent enough, as the better player is supposed to end up 3rd in their group and the lesser player ends up 4th meaning the winners can only pick two 'lesser' players.
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On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote: The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks. Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0
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On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote: The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks. Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0 In terms of overall skill level, Rain is really subpar, I would even say he's not very good compared to other Code S/Code A players. Similar to how Inca might be considered subpar, despite getting to the finals. Tying a finalist 1-1 does not prove anything, frankly speaking. Making it to the finals also might not prove anything. Although I would stop short of saying it's undeserved.
EDIT: And the fact that Rain lost Game 2 against Inca is more a testament about how bad he is rather than how good he is.
I can actually go through a lot more reasons why Rain is bad, but I'd rather not in fear of starting an unnecessary debate.
Having said that, if I do see improvement from Rain (and improvement does not just mean more wins) I'll gladly eat my words.
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