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On May 05 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:34 frucisky wrote:
Anypro isn't that good. Any better toss would have read that absent third as a sign of aggression and thrown more cannons. Which would have done...Nothing. That many Hydra DPS Cannons down too fast, there is no way to protect them, if you have them behind the Nexus then you lose your Nexus... If anything more cannons would mean less units, and even less chance to defend the rush into your main
True, but that's why I think a 2 gate-Stargate FE is a questionable opening vs. a zerg that isn't going for roaches. Anypro put himself too far away from colossi tech in that case.
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This will not change the metagame at all.
You still can FFE on 4P maps, because OL maybe wont be there in time, and spines does not touch nexus
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On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game.
How in the hell was that cheeze. When you can kill your opponent because hes cutting to many corners, you kill him. And about the Idra thing, do you really think zergs having to play coin flips is good for esports?
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Attacking cross map against a guy getting collosi ( his robo bay was finishing as the attack began ) is pretty all in with hydralisk. You simply must do a lot of damage, and beat the first collosi poping out, retreat isn't an option due to hydralisk's speed off creep. You either do a lot of dmg, or lose all of your hydras and have almost nothing to holding the collosi counter push since you invested so much in the hydras ( too much gas to have spire in time ). It was still a great attack though, and very well thought out .. but it simply had to work or Nestea was dead, there is no retreat with a hydra push in those positions.
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On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game.
no,
just NO
there was no cheese by nestea
he expanded while moving out
and did it another time when it was save
how is that a cheese?
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On May 05 2011 19:38 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 frucisky wrote:
Anypro isn't that good. Any better toss would have read that absent third as a sign of aggression and thrown more cannons. Which would have done...Nothing. That many Hydra DPS Cannons down too fast, there is no way to protect them, if you have them behind the Nexus then you lose your Nexus... If anything more cannons would mean less units, and even less chance to defend the rush into your main Are you seriously trying to imply that zergling/hydra rush, cross map off-creep is unstoppable?
No.
I'm saying Zerling/Hydra on Metapolais after going Stargate expand is very hard to defend. You need like 7 Cannons to defend the area around your Nexus. Maps like Tal'Darim/Shakuras, pretty much any map where you don't have a huge open natural you would be fine
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Nestea is prepare for break the double nexus.
I'm pretty sure bout that.
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On May 05 2011 19:40 Iskover wrote:
Today I beat Anypro...
Tomorrow I beat...
*sunglasses on*
any pro.
YEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!
Haha, nice 1.
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On May 05 2011 19:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game. Hahahahahahahahaha no. Though I'm in the camp that believes there is no such thing as cheese. Or all-in. Everytime I see someone mention an build order being cheese or all-in, I get a bit rage-y.
Be fair, there are definitely cheesy builds that are pretty all-in (proxying gates, 6pool).
Sure isn't any of that stuff in these 2 games, though!
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I think this is the only map Anypro has a chance....Nestea has him figured out though......
I like mutas on this map :D
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On May 05 2011 19:38 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game. A timing attack is a cheese now. Really?
Timing attacks are also "all-ins" now, that is also acceptable for frustrated players. 
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im pretty sure a forge expo is still viable, but instead of just happily sitting behind cannons and going for air / colo tech, you actually have to make a halfway decent gateway army now to not die to a few lings and proxy spines ~_~
alternatively, anypro was relying on nestea to just macro up in cross positions and thus skimped on his defense in favor of faster tech; it was a risk based on an assumption from nestea's previous games that nestea decided to punish completely with a timing attack. that's not cheese, that's smart play - if your opponent is going to rush tech and economy and cut army size, that's closer to cheese and you'd be a fool for not punishing that kind of greedy play.
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To be fair, Anypro hasn't been reacting well to the goings on so far.
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Nestea, stop showing all the damn zergs how to play their overpowered race... how am I supposed to ladder now with this shit becoming public knowledge.
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anypro looks really flustered
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On May 05 2011 19:39 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:38 Mellon wrote:
Nestea didn't all-in in either of those games. Set one he was 4 base vs 1, is that an all-in? Set 2 he was 2 base v 2 base and anypro could not deal with the attack either way... Need to do some kind of 1 VR Robo/robo bay build, as 1 colossus would deal with that easily. that was all in. If anypro had fast colossi coming, nestea would have lost. Set 2 was an all in, set 1 I don't believe that was all in. Nestea's attack in game 2 HAD too kill his opponent or he would be super far behind (at the minimum killing his nexus).
Anypro got robo the moment he saw the hydra den. It could not have been faster. The only mistake was not cannon.
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TBH, cheese is a terrible term to begin with. What the heck does that term even mean? Is there a definition?
NesTea did sick timing attacks in reaction to his opponent's moves. It's a beautiful game ruined by trolls.
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On May 05 2011 19:38 qbs wrote:
who wants to forge expo now : D ?
Me! But not vs a zerg champion and definitely not with stargates.
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They need to get crossfire out of the map pool, the map is awful.
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lol @ people calling those punish timings all ins he kept looking for cannons with his zerglings then he made a bunch if he did see cannons i bet he would of expanded, and the first game punishing him for dropping a nexus first because the protoss forced him to pool first, and he had 4 bases in the end.. lol yeah thats all in
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