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On May 05 2011 19:40 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:39 isM wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row do you read the shit you type? how was that build all in? I would love to hear you explain it to me. set 2 was all in. He would have been behind economically if toss had held that without losing his nexus... If anypro had gotten a fast colossi for example, that build would have gotten smashed and anypro would have won.
The thing is he cannot hold it off without losing his nexus, he had zero cannons and a really low gateway unit count nestea was poking constantly and it was not all in, it was well calculated and had nearly zero* chance of failing.
edit: *
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On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently.
If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit.
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On May 05 2011 19:39 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:36 W2 wrote:On May 05 2011 19:26 ELA wrote:
idra's statement about zerg vs. protoss forge FE on this weeks state of the game, is now completely nullified :D
No offensive options for zerg? Well, next time, just ask Nestea i want idra's comment on this.. LOL Idra states time and time again that zerg has no offensive options without going all-in, what exactly do you think that push was? It was a 2 base hydraling all-in. Everyone needs to stop bringing up balance and SOTG and enjoy these games for what they are: excellent reads and decision making by a great zerg who seems to totally outclass his opponent.
It was an all-in in the sense that Nastea made a lot of units to end the game. He couldn't triple expanded if he wanted to.
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On May 05 2011 19:41 Ezze wrote:
Nestea, stop showing all the damn zergs how to play their overpowered race... how am I supposed to ladder now with this shit becoming public knowledge.
insert /sarcasm here
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On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit.
He could easily have retreated from a Colossus, and taken a third, and chilled.
Hell, if he had a faster colossus he could have even taken that out.
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On May 05 2011 19:39 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:38 Mellon wrote:
Nestea didn't all-in in either of those games. Set one he was 4 base vs 1, is that an all-in? Set 2 he was 2 base v 2 base and anypro could not deal with the attack either way... Need to do some kind of 1 VR Robo/robo bay build, as 1 colossus would deal with that easily. that was all in. If anypro had fast colossi coming, nestea would have lost. Set 2 was an all in, set 1 I don't believe that was all in. Nestea's attack in game 2 HAD too kill his opponent or he would be super far behind (at the minimum killing his nexus).
what? he had colossus coming as fast as he could. nestea caught him in the transition between stargate and colossus. it's a long time and a significant investment
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On May 05 2011 19:42 SundeR. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. He could easily have retreated from a Colossus, and taken a third, and chilled. Hell, if he had a faster colossus he could have even taken that out.
You do know how slow hydra's are right? plus force field? No those would not have made it out if he had too retreat lol.
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Geez Tastosis it's not over yet xD
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Pro tip, it was all in. Not cheese. Just a great play.
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On May 05 2011 19:42 SundeR. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. He could easily have retreated from a Colossus, and taken a third, and chilled. Hell, if he had a faster colossus he could have even taken that out.
How the heck do Hydra's retreat from anything off creep?
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On May 05 2011 19:39 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:38 Kavas wrote:On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game. A timing attack is a cheese now. Really? I thought he was talking about game 1, which was definitely a cheese. An awesome one at that mind you.
No it wasn't at all, he was taking a third at the same time, 3 spine crawlers isnt a big investment and they can be cancelled. Game 2 was closer to an @all-in@ but still wasn't one. Maybe the solution if your opponent is using greedy builds is aggression? Zerg players? It doesnt have to be cheese, but you certainly have to respond to greedy play either by punishing it or by being even more greedy.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Wow massive blunder letting that ling in
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lolol 15 sec late with the pylon and lets a zergling in
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On May 05 2011 19:38 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 frucisky wrote:
Anypro isn't that good. Any better toss would have read that absent third as a sign of aggression and thrown more cannons. Which would have done...Nothing. That many Hydra DPS Cannons down too fast, there is no way to protect them, if you have them behind the Nexus then you lose your Nexus... If anything more cannons would mean less units, and even less chance to defend the rush into your main Are you seriously trying to imply that zergling/hydra rush, cross map off-creep is unstoppable?
It should be added though that Anypro wasn't far from getting a colossus, after which the hydras and lings would be essentially useless against that wall, and a loss of hundreds of gas (especially in conjunction with remaining sentries).
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Russian Federation325 Posts
Jesus i'm so tired of this 'LoloLOL>olOL it was all-in he could lose if Anypro defended' and 'hahaha cheese can't macro lololol zerg' stuff
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Anypro tilting pretty hard, missed a pylon and failed his wall. Poor guy. 
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On May 05 2011 19:42 SundeR. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote:
Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. He could easily have retreated from a Colossus, and taken a third, and chilled. Hell, if he had a faster colossus he could have even taken that out.
You have absolutely no way to hold the 2-3 colossus push that should be impending on your third from that position in the game. If that build doesn't do serious damage you're behind - the definition of an all-in.
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