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DreamHack Summer 2011 StarCraft II - Page 39

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
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Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
June 12 2011 21:49 GMT
#761
Looks to be awsome. only wish I got to see MVP aswell. that would make it even more awsome :>
Det är inte lätt när det är svårt
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
June 12 2011 21:54 GMT
#762
On June 13 2011 06:49 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:31 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:21 Ragoo wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...


The bolded players are definite B Teamers, Morrow is terrible in ZvZ and TLO just quit playing for a while.

Thorzain and White Ra were good wins.

The reason online tournaments don't matter is because a lot of players don't take them all too seriously (just look at White Ra's carrier game today and Sjow vs Morrow) and all players do not use their best tactics in them for fear of revealing their best builds when they don't matter much.

For comparison with other sports online tournaments like Zotac's are pre-season friendlys where as Dreamhack, MLG, GSL these are Champions League games. A guy like Idra for example will lose to all sorts of people on his stream or when he's playing in crappy tournaments but when he's at MLG, IPL or NASL you would never see him drop games versus these crappy players.


Because "these crappy players" like you put it are not in these tournaments. That's why a guy like Nericho (imo) deserves a shot. He's done what he can to make a name for himself, he's won versus really great players, he's taken tournaments home, the next step would be an invite to a big LAN and prove himself there. I don't see how people gains recongnition in your world if we were to exclude everyone who hasn't gotten their "big LAN win" yet in every LAN competition. That'll just leave the same set of people playing it out over and over again.


Thats what I have been telling him too. He just doesnt see the flaw in his logic when he claims that only people that have ALREADY won a big LAN are top players and thus deserve an invite. But in order to become such a top player that deserves an invite YOU HAVE TO INVITED IN THE FIRST PLACE to succeed at a LAN
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 22:00:02
June 12 2011 21:59 GMT
#763
On June 13 2011 06:49 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:31 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:21 Ragoo wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...


The bolded players are definite B Teamers, Morrow is terrible in ZvZ and TLO just quit playing for a while.

Thorzain and White Ra were good wins.

The reason online tournaments don't matter is because a lot of players don't take them all too seriously (just look at White Ra's carrier game today and Sjow vs Morrow) and all players do not use their best tactics in them for fear of revealing their best builds when they don't matter much.

For comparison with other sports online tournaments like Zotac's are pre-season friendlys where as Dreamhack, MLG, GSL these are Champions League games. A guy like Idra for example will lose to all sorts of people on his stream or when he's playing in crappy tournaments but when he's at MLG, IPL or NASL you would never see him drop games versus these crappy players.


Because "these crappy players" like you put it are not in these tournaments. That's why a guy like Nericho (imo) deserves a shot. He's done what he can to make a name for himself, he's won versus really great players, he's taken tournaments home, the next step would be an invite to a big LAN and prove himself there. I don't see how people gains recongnition in your world if we were to exclude everyone who hasn't gotten their "big LAN win" yet in every LAN competition. That'll just leave the same set of people playing it out over and over again.

I wouldn't object or be surprised if he got an invite, but he's not like say a Morrow or a Naniwa who 100% deserves an invite. He's a borderline guy. If he's that good and desperate to come he can do the BYOC. July showed at MLG that you can treat that sort of thing like the bronze league if you're good enough.

The majority of major tournaments have a qualification by merit system as well as invites.
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
June 12 2011 22:10 GMT
#764
stop arguing about nerchio > bla bla
watch the SCI finals! Sick games!
Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
June 12 2011 22:16 GMT
#765
On June 13 2011 07:10 Presidenten wrote:
stop arguing about nerchio > bla bla
watch the SCI finals! Sick games!


Haha we do but inbetween the games we like to argue
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
June 12 2011 22:51 GMT
#766
So it seems like the fact that racepicking is allowed will actually make difference this tournament, MorroWs TvZ looking really good
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
June 12 2011 22:51 GMT
#767
On June 13 2011 06:49 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:31 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:21 Ragoo wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...


The bolded players are definite B Teamers, Morrow is terrible in ZvZ and TLO just quit playing for a while.

Thorzain and White Ra were good wins.

The reason online tournaments don't matter is because a lot of players don't take them all too seriously (just look at White Ra's carrier game today and Sjow vs Morrow) and all players do not use their best tactics in them for fear of revealing their best builds when they don't matter much.

For comparison with other sports online tournaments like Zotac's are pre-season friendlys where as Dreamhack, MLG, GSL these are Champions League games. A guy like Idra for example will lose to all sorts of people on his stream or when he's playing in crappy tournaments but when he's at MLG, IPL or NASL you would never see him drop games versus these crappy players.

Because "these crappy players" like you put it are not in these tournaments.

Thorzain and Naniwa made a name for themselves in major tournaments by either getting in through the qualifiers or through the open bracket and were one of "these crappy players" prior, they didn't get any free rides, the same goes for most players. There is no reason why Nerchio can't do the same if he is enough of a player.

I have no objections torwards him being invited but he shouldn't be sitting around waiting for free rides if he is serious about what he is doing. Instead he should go participate in qualifiers and open brackets, just like all other online heroes did prior to him.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
June 13 2011 09:10 GMT
#768
Come on Dreamhack tell us the last invites
ezekiel22
Profile Joined January 2011
100 Posts
June 13 2011 10:46 GMT
#769
On June 13 2011 18:10 Nerdslayer wrote:
Come on Dreamhack tell us the last invites


Yes, come on !
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 10:53:48
June 13 2011 10:51 GMT
#770
and groups! just 5 days left ^^

lol some crazy nerds already in queue
http://www.dreamhack.se/DHS11/2011/06/12/first-in-line/
TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
June 13 2011 10:53 GMT
#771
Come on Dreamhack! We want to know the following now!
* Maps
* Groups
* Last invites!
Also known as Joinsimon on Twitter/Reddit
Presidenten
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden777 Posts
June 13 2011 10:54 GMT
#772
and we want to know if MKP will go to DH or LG 3D cinema tournament...
HelloxD
Profile Joined May 2011
378 Posts
June 13 2011 11:09 GMT
#773
37. WeMade Fox Moon - Zerg
This guy will win this tournament..
I'm calling it
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
June 13 2011 11:29 GMT
#774
I hope one of the last players will be Naugrim. He really impressed me in a tournament recently and it seems like he is practising a lot. He is the only Swede I can see missing from the tournament at the moment.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
June 13 2011 11:32 GMT
#775
On June 13 2011 20:09 HelloxD wrote:
37. WeMade Fox Moon - Zerg
This guy will win this tournament..
I'm calling it



Good luck with tht lol...
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 13 2011 11:37 GMT
#776
Sooooo stacked tournament.. I really hope I can make it one of the days.
Mada Mada Dane
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 13 2011 11:42 GMT
#777
I want to see someone from the SlayerS getting an invite.

- BoxeR
- MMA
- Alicia

pleaaaase

blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
June 13 2011 11:46 GMT
#778
maybe mkp will be able to win a championship in this tournament or forever be silver
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Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
June 13 2011 13:38 GMT
#779
GSL Spoiler don't open .

+ Show Spoiler +
YAY MKP IS COMING, now he can't be in the finals. He is gonna get mobbed so hard :D by all his fans!
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
bobhund
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden364 Posts
June 13 2011 13:38 GMT
#780
Thread has been updated. We will soon release the rest of the players and the groups
Editor in chief at Rakaka.se
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