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Prostak
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland192 Posts
June 12 2011 19:08 GMT
#741
Paladia you are 100% idiot.

DH gona be awsome anyways.
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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
June 12 2011 19:24 GMT
#742
WOW, this tournament has pretty much every player I want to see, I'm having a hard time figuring out who should take the last spots.

Obviously Nerchio should be in it, I have no idea how anyone could argue against it, that's just silly.

Would be nice to see Bomber because of his MLG-incident, to make it up for him.


It's in Sweden so maybe Merz and Jimpo aswell.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
June 12 2011 19:25 GMT
#743
i heard nerchio doesnt like to go to the lans :p
Stork[gm]
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
June 12 2011 19:26 GMT
#744
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.
Team NSHoseo <3
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 19:27:44
June 12 2011 19:27 GMT
#745
There is no question of whether Nerchio should or shouldn't be invited. He will be invited. I can guarantee that.

39-43. Determined by DreamHack selection.
44. TBA by DreamHack.
45. TBA by DreamHack.
46. TBA by DreamHack.

One of these will be Nerchio
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Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
June 12 2011 20:08 GMT
#746
Is there a notable difference between "Determined by DreamHack selection" and "TBA by DreamHack"?
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AtreSamus
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden142 Posts
June 12 2011 20:13 GMT
#747
Will TL be represented at DH in terms of a booth and selling t-shirts etc?
Im as wide as a Mothership. I even cloak children and small objects when I move around.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
June 12 2011 20:27 GMT
#748
On June 13 2011 05:08 Clog wrote:
Is there a notable difference between "Determined by DreamHack selection" and "TBA by DreamHack"?


My personal thinking is that TBA by dreamhack means that they have 3 players already selected and ready to go, but they are holding off on the announcement til later, probably for hype reasons.

Determined by dreamhack selection can mean anything from picking out of a hat to a tourney, but most likely will be picked by the organizers.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 20:34:47
June 12 2011 20:34 GMT
#749
On June 13 2011 04:26 Azuroz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
June 12 2011 20:45 GMT
#750
On June 13 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 04:26 Azuroz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.

Are you seriously that much retarded or sth?
Go check this: (Z)Nerchio
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 12 2011 20:48 GMT
#751
On June 13 2011 05:45 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 04:26 Azuroz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.

Are you seriously that much retarded or sth?
Go check this: (Z)Nerchio


I realise you and many other team liquid posters find this extremely hard to understand but you will never ever be a top player if you don't do it in LAN's. You can be promising, you can look talented but that's it, to reach the next level which Naniwa, Idra, Select, Thorzain have you need to make it happen in LAN's and no amount of ZOTAC's or other weekly cups will ever compensate for that.
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
June 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#752
Will they Replace TLO since hes on a hiatus? maybe with Mondragon? would love to see him competing again.
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
June 12 2011 20:51 GMT
#753
Morrow got 2-0'd by Vibe. Who got 3-0'd by idra. Just sayin'.
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
June 12 2011 20:54 GMT
#754
On June 13 2011 05:48 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 05:45 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 04:26 Azuroz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.

Are you seriously that much retarded or sth?
Go check this: (Z)Nerchio


I realise you and many other team liquid posters find this extremely hard to understand but you will never ever be a top player if you don't do it in LAN's. You can be promising, you can look talented but that's it, to reach the next level which Naniwa, Idra, Select, Thorzain have you need to make it happen in LAN's and no amount of ZOTAC's or other weekly cups will ever compensate for that.

Extremely hard to understand is you.
Plz enlighten me how many lvls of players are there and how is it that Nerchio is able to win with all of them.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#755
On June 13 2011 05:54 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:48 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 05:45 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 04:26 Azuroz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2011 03:35 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:
On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.

Are you seriously that much retarded or sth?
Go check this: (Z)Nerchio


I realise you and many other team liquid posters find this extremely hard to understand but you will never ever be a top player if you don't do it in LAN's. You can be promising, you can look talented but that's it, to reach the next level which Naniwa, Idra, Select, Thorzain have you need to make it happen in LAN's and no amount of ZOTAC's or other weekly cups will ever compensate for that.

Extremely hard to understand is you.
Plz enlighten me how many lvls of players are there and how is it that Nerchio is able to win with all of them.


Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.

As for level's of players....

S Class: MC, MVP, Nestea.
2nd level: MMA, Bomber, Losira, Marine King, July.
3rd level: Alicia, Idra, SC, Thorzain, Naniwa, Anypro.
4th level: Morrow, White Ra, Kiwikaki, Select, Sen, Ace, Squirtle.
5th level: Nerchio, Kas, Leenock, Mana, Ensnare, Kyrix.

It's pretty hard to compare Koreans to foreigners because they rarely play each other except for the very best Koreans but that's a lose guide as to where I see players fitting. If Nerchio were to go to Dreamhack and get top four then I'd place him higher but there's only so far you can go beating people in online tournaments.
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
June 12 2011 21:05 GMT
#756
So wrong to discredit Nerchios achievements, especially when far less achieved players get invited. Yes it's a lot of random players in these weekly cups, but he sure has done some very impressing matches in these cups as well.
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
June 12 2011 21:21 GMT
#757
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
June 12 2011 21:23 GMT
#758
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
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On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:
On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.

Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.


When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.

He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.


Oh what?

Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.

He wins 80% of the tournaments?

He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.

For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.


Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.


EDIT:

Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.

The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.

An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.

However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.


nerchio recently won the dailymotion cup for 2k euro (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dailymotion_Cup)
4-0ing morrow in the finals and beating some other top european players.
if that dosnt tell you that this kid is good then i dont know what will.


How about winning or coming top four in Dreamhack, IPL, MLG or NASL. That would tell me he's the real deal. Morrow's ZvZ is really poor compared to his other matches.

Are you seriously that much retarded or sth?
Go check this: (Z)Nerchio


I realise you and many other team liquid posters find this extremely hard to understand but you will never ever be a top player if you don't do it in LAN's. You can be promising, you can look talented but that's it, to reach the next level which Naniwa, Idra, Select, Thorzain have you need to make it happen in LAN's and no amount of ZOTAC's or other weekly cups will ever compensate for that.

Extremely hard to understand is you.
Plz enlighten me how many lvls of players are there and how is it that Nerchio is able to win with all of them.


Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.

As for level's of players....

S Class: MC, MVP, Nestea.
2nd level: MMA, Bomber, Losira, Marine King, July.
3rd level: Alicia, Idra, SC, Thorzain, Naniwa, Anypro.
4th level: Morrow, White Ra, Kiwikaki, Select, Sen, Ace, Squirtle.
5th level: Nerchio, Kas, Leenock, Mana, Ensnare, Kyrix.

It's pretty hard to compare Koreans to foreigners because they rarely play each other except for the very best Koreans but that's a lose guide as to where I see players fitting. If Nerchio were to go to Dreamhack and get top four then I'd place him higher but there's only so far you can go beating people in online tournaments.

"versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer"
This statement of yours is just untrue, to say the least.

Besides, don't mix Koreans in here, as it's obvious (at least for "other team liquid posters") that they are somewhat better than foreigners.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 12 2011 21:31 GMT
#759
On June 13 2011 06:21 Ragoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...


The bolded players are definite B Teamers, Morrow is terrible in ZvZ and TLO just quit playing for a while.

Thorzain and White Ra were good wins.

The reason online tournaments don't matter is because a lot of players don't take them all too seriously (just look at White Ra's carrier game today and Sjow vs Morrow) and all players do not use their best tactics in them for fear of revealing their best builds when they don't matter much.

For comparison with other sports online tournaments like Zotac's are pre-season friendlys where as Dreamhack, MLG, GSL these are Champions League games. A guy like Idra for example will lose to all sorts of people on his stream or when he's playing in crappy tournaments but when he's at MLG, IPL or NASL you would never see him drop games versus these crappy players.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
June 12 2011 21:49 GMT
#760
On June 13 2011 06:31 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 06:21 Ragoo wrote:
On June 13 2011 06:05 Blasphemi wrote:
Okay, you're Polish. So like most of the Swedish kids you want your guys to be the best but Nerchio is not. He's clearly talented but almost all his achievement are in small online tournaments versus obscure players and the odd known B teamer.


rofl, that's just so wrong. To win Dailymotion Cup he beat Tarson, Demuslim, Stephano, TLO, Diestar and Morrow (4-0) and now he just beat Thorzain (3-0) and White-Ra and is in TotalBiscuit's Invitational final where he is the favorite against Morrow.
Clearly these are very obscure players...

And I totally don't get why you downplay online achievements that much, please enlighten me ...


The bolded players are definite B Teamers, Morrow is terrible in ZvZ and TLO just quit playing for a while.

Thorzain and White Ra were good wins.

The reason online tournaments don't matter is because a lot of players don't take them all too seriously (just look at White Ra's carrier game today and Sjow vs Morrow) and all players do not use their best tactics in them for fear of revealing their best builds when they don't matter much.

For comparison with other sports online tournaments like Zotac's are pre-season friendlys where as Dreamhack, MLG, GSL these are Champions League games. A guy like Idra for example will lose to all sorts of people on his stream or when he's playing in crappy tournaments but when he's at MLG, IPL or NASL you would never see him drop games versus these crappy players.


Because "these crappy players" like you put it are not in these tournaments. That's why a guy like Nericho (imo) deserves a shot. He's done what he can to make a name for himself, he's won versus really great players, he's taken tournaments home, the next step would be an invite to a big LAN and prove himself there. I don't see how people gains recongnition in your world if we were to exclude everyone who hasn't gotten their "big LAN win" yet in every LAN competition. That'll just leave the same set of people playing it out over and over again.
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