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On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups.
When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments.
He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.
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Anyone know when the final places will be named?
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On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's.
Oh what?
Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.
One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again.
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On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough.
No one cares about ? LOL did you ever check the line up there is in those cups, all the best EU players are playing it...
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On June 12 2011 21:48 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:45 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. You could say the same thing about Demuslim Except I am well aware that Demuslim has achieved nothing and that the UK has no top players. I'd never try and argue otherwise, unlike so many of the Swedes/Poles/Germans etc... on Team Liquid I have no blind nationalism towards my country.
dont start nation wars because of 1 guy please
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On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again.
Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
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blablablablabla, most people who've seen him play know he's one of the very best zergs in Europe right now.
Also Poland is definitely a strong Sc2 Country!
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On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard.
He wins 80% of the tournaments?
He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition.
For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.
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On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
Nerchio hasnt been competing in LANs because of his studies, Kas has done two one of which he got to the final where he lost the possibly the best player in the world. Dimaga did really shit when he went to korea too didnt he? Just stop.
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On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:
Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
Lol? So in order to get an invite for DH one should have reached top 4 (depending on your definition of "proving [yourself] in LANs") in MLG DH or other big LANs? Sorry but only a handful of players would qualify for that.
Plus, to prove oneself on LAN one should get invited to a LAN in the first place. Otherwise no one can prove himself :D
Edit: LOL? srsly you say that Dimaga and Kas have had NO results whatsoever on LAN??? Okay I just wasted my time arguing with you. You have obviously no idea
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On June 12 2011 23:43 Aristodemus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Nerchio hasnt been competing in LANs because of his studies, Kas has done two one of which he got to the final where he lost the possibly the best player in the world. Dimaga did really shit when he went to korea too didnt he? Just stop.
Dimaga didn't do particularly well in Korea. He won some Bo1's where no one was trying (TT1 stated no one took the match seriously as no money was on the line). Then he 6 pooled Nestea to win 2-1, a good result but San beat him easilly the next round. Dimaga was probably the best foreigner in Korea on results in the World Championships but Koreans just dominated in general when money was on the line so it was a best of the worst scenario.
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On June 13 2011 00:01 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:
Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
Lol? So in order to get an invite for DH one should have reached top 4 (depending on your definition of "proving [yourself] in LANs") in MLG DH or other big LANs? Sorry but only a handful of players would qualify for that. Plus, to prove oneself on LAN one should get invited to a LAN in the first place. Otherwise no one can prove himself :D Edit: LOL? srsly you say that Dimaga and Kas have had NO results whatsoever on LAN??? Okay I just wasted my time arguing with you. You have obviously no idea
That's what the open bracket/BYOC is for.
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On June 13 2011 00:06 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 00:01 Titorelli wrote:On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:
Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
Lol? So in order to get an invite for DH one should have reached top 4 (depending on your definition of "proving [yourself] in LANs") in MLG DH or other big LANs? Sorry but only a handful of players would qualify for that. Plus, to prove oneself on LAN one should get invited to a LAN in the first place. Otherwise no one can prove himself :D Edit: LOL? srsly you say that Dimaga and Kas have had NO results whatsoever on LAN??? Okay I just wasted my time arguing with you. You have obviously no idea That's what the open bracket/BYOC is for.
Yea but there should also be some invites should there not? :D Or do you want to have only an open bracket and 4 invites who deserved the spot (based on LAN results)?
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I really hope that 2GD guy is the on-stage interviewer again
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On June 13 2011 00:08 Titorelli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 00:06 Logros wrote:On June 13 2011 00:01 Titorelli wrote:On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:
Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen.
Lol? So in order to get an invite for DH one should have reached top 4 (depending on your definition of "proving [yourself] in LANs") in MLG DH or other big LANs? Sorry but only a handful of players would qualify for that. Plus, to prove oneself on LAN one should get invited to a LAN in the first place. Otherwise no one can prove himself :D Edit: LOL? srsly you say that Dimaga and Kas have had NO results whatsoever on LAN??? Okay I just wasted my time arguing with you. You have obviously no idea That's what the open bracket/BYOC is for. Yea but there should also be some invites should there not? :D Or do you want to have only an open bracket and 4 invites who deserved the spot (based on LAN results)?
Dreamhack has all three. Online qualifier, invites and an open bracket. In this case he even participated in the online qualifier but didn't make it through.
It is generally how players get known or major success, they participate in an online qualifier and do well (such as Thorzain in TSL3) or go through the open bracket (such as Naniwa in MLG Dallas). Why would it be any different for Nerchio? All he is known for now is winning some online cups and cheating online (which caused him to be banned from the ESL).
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On June 13 2011 00:25 Paladia wrote:
Dreamhack has all three. Online qualifier, invites and an open bracket. In this case he even participated in the online qualifier but didn't make it through.
It is generally how players get known or major success, they participate in an online qualifier and do well (such as Thorzain in TSL3) or go through the open bracket (such as Naniwa in MLG Dallas). Why would it be any different for Nerchio? All he is known for now is winning some online cups and cheating online (which caused him to be banned from the ESL).
No its okay if the dont invite Nerchio. Its not about Nerchio. I just wanted to express my opinion that its ridiculous to expect the >40 DH invites to have some major LAN success.
And his definition of success implies that Kas' and Dimagas results are "nowhere to be seen".
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On June 13 2011 00:04 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 23:43 Aristodemus wrote:On June 12 2011 22:15 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. One thing to note is that a lot of the EU top players do these cups and he beats them again and again. Then he should prove it in the big tournaments and LAN's no problem, but he hasn't. There's so many of these EU players winning a load of small online tournaments -- Dimaga, Kas, Nerchio etc.. but when the pressure's on in a LAN their results are nowhere to be seen. Nerchio hasnt been competing in LANs because of his studies, Kas has done two one of which he got to the final where he lost the possibly the best player in the world. Dimaga did really shit when he went to korea too didnt he? Just stop. Dimaga didn't do particularly well in Korea. He won some Bo1's where no one was trying (TT1 stated no one took the match seriously as no money was on the line). Then he 6 pooled Nestea to win 2-1, a good result but San beat him easilly the next round. Dimaga was probably the best foreigner in Korea on results in the World Championships but Koreans just dominated in general when money was on the line so it was a best of the worst scenario.
3rd at IEM 2010, 4th at Blizzcon 2010?
Dimaga has proved himself many times in the past. Yes he doesn't have the best LAN results in the world, but to say he never proved himself is just completely wrong and shows that you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about.
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Yeah and Dimaga won the Asus LAN in Russia where the best Russian speaking players (Kas Strelok Bratok Happy Bly Underdrak Lowely) participated in. At this LAN he 2-0'd Strelok and Happy in the finals and quarterfinals. So yeah "no results" for Dimaga....
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On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. He wins 80% of the tournaments? He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition. For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies.
Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak.
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Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.
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On June 13 2011 02:25 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 23:40 Paladia wrote:On June 12 2011 22:09 meRz wrote:On June 12 2011 21:52 Blasphemi wrote:On June 12 2011 21:48 Seronei wrote:On June 12 2011 21:37 Blasphemi wrote:
The only thing Polish players have won is weekly cups no one cares about. They aren't invited because they've not proven they're good enough. Nerchio has definitely won enough to be proven good enough. He won that Dailymotion ESL cup with 5000$ price money and a lot of smaller weekly cups. When you play in as many tournaments as the EU players do you're going to sooner or later win tournaments. He needs to show his ability against Koreans and/or in LAN's. Oh what? Nericho wins nearly everything he takes part of, it's not a question of him "massgaming" tournaments and winning one out of ten, he wins 7 or 8 out of 10. Most ridiculous thing i've heard. He wins 80% of the tournaments? He mainly participates and has had the most success in the ZOTAC Cups. Of which he has won 3 and placed second in 5. So even if you only count the tournaments where he placed in the top two he wins 37% of them. Of course, he more often places outside the top two so his win rate is much much lower than that. I do not have the time nor will to check how many he has actually participated in by a guesstimate would be that his win rate less than or around 10%. This is in the lesser online cups with low competition. For sure he is an interesting player who has had some success in some online cups recently but saying he wins 80% of them is so far from reality that it is just insulting to think that anyone would actually believe such lies. Chill out, I'm not stating facts, just estimates. Yes I went over board with the numbers but he wins a hell of a lot more tournaments than anyone else at the moment, only counting Zotacs is not really fair to anyone. He's had numerous of wins in other tournaments as well, and you know what, he's currently walking all over the TSL champion as we speak. EDIT: Add to the fact that all of these weeklies are doing BO1 for rounds 1-6 (sometimes 1-8) and Being able to place so high again and again is a feat not to be looked down upon. Also saying the competition is lesser in the weekly tournaments is a bold statement, the only thing the weeklies lack are the LAN environment, the competition (not counting the VERY top now of course) is still very tough.
The competition is lesser in the weekly cups, it is hardly a bold statement. Check the latest Zotac cup. The top 8 had the players. DeathAngel, Yoigen, Unuh, Nerchio, Rmdx, Tefel, roof_, VirusBly.
An unimpressive line-up to say the least and to say it has lesser competition than for example a lan event such as Dreamhack or MLG is possibly the understatement of the year.
However, winning or placing well in a lot of these online cups is not by any means an easy tasks and requires a good player. It is how many players, such as Naniwa, started their road to fame. It is a start but Nerchio still has to prove himself in a major tournament before he will generally be recognized, just as Naniwa did. As such, there is no doubt Nerchio is a good player, just how good remains to be seen. If he is good enough, he will for sure be able to qualify through online qualifiers or an open bracket for a major event.
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