On May 02 2011 07:15 ArghUScaredMe wrote: How's Kiwikaki compared top IdrA? I love TSL3 where IdrA had to face quite formidable opponents and got eliminated early.
In IPL, IdrA is just having a field day.
I'm loving the advantage IdrA gets from being in the winner's bracket. I always thought winner's v loser's bracket was wierd and unfair, but this fixes a lot of it for me.
This is how double elim is always done. So I don't really get why people say this. I assume it's because of NA tournaments like MLG who make their own format but keep a similar setup to Double elim.
On May 02 2011 07:15 ArghUScaredMe wrote: How's Kiwikaki compared top IdrA? I love TSL3 where IdrA had to face quite formidable opponents and got eliminated early.
In IPL, IdrA is just having a field day.
At MLG Dallas Kiwikaki steamrolled IdrA, but in IPL Winner's Round 3 Idra steamrolled Kiwikaki. So generally pretty even on the skill level.
Wait, that's the same guy who got 0-3'ed by IdrA already?
ZZZZZzzz. This double elimination format is boring. So IdrA is just gonna steamroll him once more.
Don't be too sure, Kiwi's total record against IdrA is 4-5. Their most recent match definitely makes IdrA the favourite to win, but it's far from a sure thing.
On May 02 2011 06:54 Tempest[OEC] wrote: I was really impressed by this tournament and I look forward to the next season! This was really great!
Btw can anyone explain the reason for two Bo5s? One grand final and another in case kiwikaki wins?
Since IdrA hasn't lost yet, he gets an advantage, meaning every player in the tournament is allowed to lose once. Not the most favored format, but if you recall MLG, it was very similiar where Naniwa being from the winners bracket was up 2-0 on Kiwikaki because they have met before and Naniwa won.
But then theres the arguement that it's too big of a disadvantage because the person from the loser bracket had to play many more games.
This isn't extended series, this is just normal double elim. Idra does not have an advantage over Kiwi except for having not lost any sets.
I don't see how you can think winning one Bo5 is not a advantage as opposed to winning 2 Bo5. You can play relaxed, because you know even if you mess up this series, you always have another. Anyhow.
I meant not an advantage like starting up 2-0 in a BO7 or something like that. IdrA of course has an advantage in terms of how many sets he has to win.
Okay I see, I know they aren't the same thing, but in a way, they do the same thing. Kiwikaki has to win 6 games, IdrA needs to win 3-5 games... Yielding something similiar as an extended result.
There was a big pool on teamliquid about the extended series rule, and if people like it... And it turned out approx 60% didn't like it, 20% liked it, and 20% were undecided (10k votes total?). So while it isn't the exact same, I think for your next tournaments to come, consider that as I do think one big series would be preferred by most.
And I just want to add that it's great you guys are responding to the community and answering questions, it's great to see. Hopefully I'm not coming off as arrogant.
Perhaps you are right and the majority would indeed like just 1 bo7 in the grand finals, but for myself, in a double elimination tournament, I hate extended series and approve of the double finals format if required. This is how I would like it to be.
edit: Just for clarification I am not advocating two matches in a row for players that have played before except in the case of the finals; if two players play in the winners bracket and then meet again later in the losers bracket, there should be NO advantage. Just a straight BoX match between them.
To the people who don't like that Kiwi has to win two best of fives: if this were single elimination, he would already be eliminated and the finals would've been Select vs. Idra. Idra has to be eliminated twice, it's as simple as that.
On May 02 2011 07:15 ArghUScaredMe wrote: How's Kiwikaki compared top IdrA? I love TSL3 where IdrA had to face quite formidable opponents and got eliminated early.
In IPL, IdrA is just having a field day.
Huh? What are you talking about? The only player IdrA faced at TSL3 was Cruncher. At IPL, IdrA has had to play Drewbie, Select, and Kiwikaki (twice). I'm quite certain that 99.999999% of people would agree that Kiwikaki and Select are a step (or two or three) above Cruncher.
On May 02 2011 07:15 ArghUScaredMe wrote: How's Kiwikaki compared top IdrA? I love TSL3 where IdrA had to face quite formidable opponents and got eliminated early.
In IPL, IdrA is just having a field day.
At MLG Dallas Kiwikaki steamrolled IdrA, but in IPL Winner's Round 3 Idra steamrolled Kiwikaki. So generally pretty even on the skill level.
Wait, that's the same guy who got 0-3'ed by IdrA already?
ZZZZZzzz. This double elimination format is boring. So IdrA is just gonna steamroll him once more.
wow way to show you have zero knowledge of SC2 players!
i can see how double elimination is favorable from a players standpoint of course. but as a spectator its a shame to know kiwis chances of winning are slim to none. though ill still watch of course ^^
On May 02 2011 08:16 Sporadic44 wrote: i can see how double elimination is favorable from a players standpoint of course. but as a spectator its a shame to know kiwis chances of winning are slim to none. though ill still watch of course ^^
It's not really? It's just the square of his chances of winning one series. I guess if you already thought he was going to get destroyed it just seals the deal. Sometimes there's also the effect that the loser's bracket finalist has momentum on his side (more evident in real-time tournaments obviously).
I don't see what all the questioning is about with the tourney format. Winner being forced to lose twice is standard in the double elimination format. This isn't a Starcraft thing, its a general tournament thing. It'd be unfair to change the format just because you guys want to give Kiwi a better chance?
I don't get why people are bitching, if it was a regular tournament, Idra would have won already and Kiwi would have been eliminated already for losing.
Double Elim gives the losers (Kiwi) a second chance, so of course the winners (Idra) should have an advantage in the grand finals.
So when you talk about Kiwi having slim chances or it being unfair for him, just know that, in a normal tournament he would have already lost.
I cant see why people are complaining about the format, it would be pretty unfair to idra if he could be eliminated after losing only one series when everyone else got a second chance.
People comparing double elimination to extended series are being silly.
KiWi has to win twice because he got to the final through the losers bracket, i.e. he's already lost a series in the winners bracket (doesn't matter that it was to IdrA). IdrA made it all the way through the winners bracket without dropping a series, so still has two to lose before being eliminated from the tournament.
Isn't the purpose of double elim so that if 2 two best player colide before the finals, one player isn't robbed of second place? I'm not too against this tournament format in general, but I'd much prefer for the finals to not be double elimination. If one player is heavily favored over the other, it takes away from the hype and anticipation of the final match.
On May 02 2011 08:42 woob wrote: I know there have been leaks, so anyone that knows who wins, please PM me, coz i have to go out with my friend and her family tonight.
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